Maltby TS2

[dhen9]

4 minutes ago, Bad9 said:

 

And undoubtedly stronger lofts.

I assume these will be an evolution in design. I would assume a few mm of toline added and a few mm of blade length, likely in the 80mm-82mm range. The offset needs to stay the same. Hopefully there's a bit more sole and yes, stronger modern lofts to compensate for slightly thicker sole. 

[Nels55]

13 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

14 hours ago, Nels55 said:

I don't know much about those particular club heads or why one might feel softer then another but I do remember reading in a book by Ralph Malty many years ago that the material makes no difference in the feel of a clubhead.  This was back in the days of harsh cast stainless steel clubs vs. soft carbon steel.  As an experiment Maltby made identical club heads one from cast stainless and the other from carbon steel and shafted them up with the same shafts and no one could tell any difference between the two when hitting balls.

 

For me Maltby's test pretty much proved that any softer feel due to the hardness of the steel is probably between the tester's ears did it not?

Your last sentence is fairly spot on. Because sound plays a huge role in the perception of how a club feels 

Sure the mental aspect of having a forged club in your hands over a cast club has a 'between the ears' effect. But so does sound. 

 Here is the word from the man himself:

 

This edition is from 1990 and this selection is from the myths section of the book.  There is no difference in feel or sound between carbon steel and  harder stainless per Ralph Maltby himself.  

[deepred]

I’m hoping for the DBM+ to have the sole of the PTM. 

[Spankapotamus redux]

16 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

On a semi-related note, I forgot to follow-up on the putter I ordered from GW.

 

Maltby PTM1, built to Armlock specs (7* loft, 75* lie). While I don't have the tools to precisely measure the specs, they absolutely nailed it. Got exactly what I requested.

 

Threw a Evnroll Midlock grip on it and have been rolling it for a couple weeks in the home office. Overall, It's a very nice putter. Great feel and weight. Not too firm, not too soft. Rolls the ball well. Very nice milling on the face.

 

 

 

My only "issue" is that all the work I put in last year to cure my putting yips may have worked too well. Spent a ton of time building my confidence again, and have been putting lights-out with my standard length, Golfsmith NCC-1701 (with a Kotahi grip). 

 

Had it not been for all the work and time I invested, the PTM1 armlock putter would have been a godsend. But if this season is anything like the last, I just don't think the current gamer will get bumped out of the bag. 

 

Will still put the PTM1 in play at least a few times. Who knows? Maybe it'll prove to be objectively better at getting putts in the hole. If not, maybe I'll sell it after the season is over. But it will be a nice backup to hold on to if I go through any slumps.

Bottom line, if you're interested in trying out an Armlock style putter. Give GW a shot. As always, they were great to work with and delivered exactly what I was wanting. And I highly doubt you'll find an armlock putter of this quality for anywhere near the price GW is selling these for.

I have the PTM-4 and agree. Just as good as any fancy brand putter I have ever had. Only problem is that it's competing with a super hot Ping Fetch I just can't seem to miss with lately and my old trusty Ping Anser circa 1985 (aka the magic putter) that always finds it's way back in the bag. I have a graphite shaft in the Maltby right now, but I think I'm going to swap it for a regular steel shaft and see if it is a bit more competitive.

[Popeye64]

25 minutes ago, deepred said:

I’m hoping for the DBM+ to have the sole of the PTM. 

I thought the relieved leading edge of the PTM to be a brilliant addition. 

[azgreg]

From Britt on the new + heads:

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The original TE and DBM are on the website and available. We plan to continue them through this year. We have a new TE+ V4 coming in 2024 and we plan to have a DBM version of it as well. The current models are Legacy models for us and they may stay around after the new ones come out, but not for sure.

Britt Lindsey

 

 

[Bad9]

Nat has mentioned that the new KE4 fairways may be coming sooner than thought. I looked on the GW forum but saw no new information. Anyone have further details and/or spy pics😉

[jfrank]

On 2/8/2023 at 4:17 PM, Popeye64 said:

So super small sample size in play. 42° strong wind, marginal turf. 

My initial thought is SOFT. So So soft through the ball but it does give back just enough feedback. Feel wise it's unlike any of the latest releases. All of the polymer filled irons to me have a bit of a click. Good feel but clicky. The TS3 is just smooottthhhh. Ball got up quickly and flew beautifully. Hit about 6 shots in play. Distance control seemed right on. Sole /turf interaction was excellent. With the muddy ground it could have easily grabbed the club head. None of that at all. 

Tomorrow will be in the simulator and off matts I hate but it will be direct comparisons. 

Size wise it's really close to the KE4 Max. The sole is narrower but toplines are fairly close. 

The TS3 sole has the slightest V that is similar to a Srixon. Sole wise the TS2 comes the closest. 

In the photos the TS1, TS3 and Ke4 Max are together. Then it's the TS3 and TS2. 

Again initial impressions are that these have feel that no other recent Maltby release has had. Might be Mizuno level. 

I'll have a lot more thoughts tomorrow

Are the TS3 the ones that read "forged" on the hosel?  (The ones with the cool black/gold ferrule)

[Popeye64]

44 minutes ago, jfrank said:

Are the TS3 the ones that read "forged" on the hosel?  (The ones with the cool black/gold ferrule)

Yes. That is the TS3

[PeanutsDaddy]

Patiently waiting for an update to the Canadian website. So many new offerings that have piqued my interest. 
 

Thank you to all those who contribute regularly to this thread. Longtime lurker.

Edited February 16, 2023 by PeanutsDaddy
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[Spinozist]

The ts4s were up but now they're down. But this pic is still available: a little bigger and higher quality than the earlier ones 

[gioreeko]

1 hour ago, Spinozist said:

The ts4s were up but now they're down. But this pic is still available: a little bigger and higher quality than the earlier ones 

those are so clean and sweet, hopefully the leading edge is preworn

[Spinozist]

15 hours ago, gioreeko said:

those are so clean and sweet, hopefully the leading edge is preworn

I love at least 5 things about the looks on these: 1) The satin/brushed finish, 2) The absence of too much lettering/graphics (one of my gripes with the likes of the New Level 623-MBs, which I think are otherwise gorgeous albeit in a totally different way than the TS4s) 3) The milled grind on the soles (swoons) 4) The lack of distracting color, and 5) The overarching balance of the geometry of it all, and how it seamlessly "hangs together" with utter poise. Honestly these can go toe to toe with anything out there IMO. Oh yeah, 59.99 I believe will be the price, which some will gripe at, but IMO it's a bargain compared to, say, the taylormade P7MBs or TWs. 

I think these will combo well with the IMs, although I think I might only go up to PW or 9i with them.

Edited February 16, 2023 by Spinozist

[dhen9]

Had a chance to get the TS3 out today at the range. It's a better, slimmer, sleeker version of the PTM. The PTM has a progressive weight pad in the cavity. The TS3 has a similar, more visible, but at the same time "cleaner", progressive weight movement in the cavity. The topline and sole of the TS3 is cleaner and the hosel transition is also less clunky. The grooves and address position give away that she's a Maltby, especially the groove spacing. Many loved the PTM sole relief just behind the leading edge and I'm here to tell ya it's still there. They did such a nice job of hiding that tech so you clearly see a VT type sole but all angles are radiused so it's so silky. If asked I gotta believe that Britt would say he knew the TS3 was on the horizon which is why such a short run for the PTM. This iron could be a DTC HOME RUN and if Golfworks had the "Juice" they could put these in select stores GG or DSG. 

[Thornbrugh]

I realize it is early, but.... for those of you that have hit the TS3 and the DBM, how would you compare the two? Is one significantly better than the other in certain areas (i.e. forgiveness, launch, spin, etc.) or are the differences fairly slim? I love the looks of both and wondering what the ~$20 delta per head buys you.  

[dhen9]

5 hours ago, Thornbrugh said:

I realize it is early, but.... for those of you that have hit the TS3 and the DBM, how would you compare the two? Is one significantly better than the other in certain areas (i.e. forgiveness, launch, spin, etc.) or are the differences fairly slim? I love the looks of both and wondering what the ~$20 delta per head buys you.  

I think, I know, it depends a lot on what you like to look at. The TE/DBM are what you grew up with so long as you're over 40. It's a really traditional looking bladish profile. It's a shallow iron from leading edge to topline and topline is as thin as I can stand to see. Odd part is on TE/DBM that when you get to wedges they are nearly same size as CBX type wedges. I've tried and tried and tried to tell myself that I'm OK with TE/DBM but always go back to a bigger chassis. Golf is hard and TE/DBM are plenty forgiving but, for me, the larger chassis just makes life a little bit easier. Feel is similar. 

Edited February 17, 2023 by dhen9

[BogeyParBogey]

The dimensions of DBM vs TS3 are fairly similar.   The TS3 blade length is a little longer and the DBM MOI is a little higher.

 

I haven't seen the TS3 in person so take this for what it's worth, but I'd think the main playability difference is the sole shape.

 

Dave

[Popeye64]

29 minutes ago, BogeyParBogey said:

The dimensions of DBM vs TS3 are fairly similar.   The TS3 blade length is a little longer and the DBM MOI is a little higher.

 

I haven't seen the TS3 in person so take this for what it's worth, but I'd think the main playability difference is the sole shape.

 

Dave

The TE appears tiny next the the TS3. The very thin topline makes the head seem much smaller even though the difference is minimal. 

The leading edge of the TE will not move through the turf as easily as the TS3. As a digger I struggled a bit with the TE. 

[Popeye64]

7 hours ago, dhen9 said:

Had a chance to get the TS3 out today at the range. It's a better, slimmer, sleeker version of the PTM. The PTM has a progressive weight pad in the cavity. The TS3 has a similar, more visible, but at the same time "cleaner", progressive weight movement in the cavity. The topline and sole of the TS3 is cleaner and the hosel transition is also less clunky. The grooves and address position give away that she's a Maltby, especially the groove spacing. Many loved the PTM sole relief just behind the leading edge and I'm here to tell ya it's still there. They did such a nice job of hiding that tech so you clearly see a VT type sole but all angles are radiused so it's so silky. If asked I gotta believe that Britt would say he knew the TS3 was on the horizon which is why such a short run for the PTM. This iron could be a DTC HOME RUN and if Golfworks had the "Juice" they could put these in select stores GG or DSG. 

Nice write up. Captured the iron well. 

[Therty]

Can someone confirm I’m not crazy… the BBGM for a TS3 7i is like 0.7in? That’s it?

[Cwebb]

Just now, Therty said:

Can someone confirm I’m not crazy… the BBGM for a TS3 7i is like 0.7in? That’s it?

 

Is this what you measured?  The Maltby players irons usually have a short BBGM, because of the short hosel length combined with a shallow heel height.  This is the key design aspect to be able to locate the COG further out from the hosel in the dead center of the face.

[Therty]

31 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

Is this what you measured?  The Maltby players irons usually have a short BBGM, because of the short hosel length combined with a shallow heel height.  This is the key design aspect to be able to locate the COG further out from the hosel in the dead center of the face.

I put a 36” shaft in the 7i expecting to trim… and it’s ~36.7” w/o grip, which is shorter than i would have expected. I thought the TS-1 I built are almost 1”, though that was some time ago so I could be misremembering.

 

Edit: checked the spec page. 1.355 hosel length - 0.531 heel height is approx 0.824in BBGM, which is close to what I measured. Wow, interesting.

Edited February 17, 2023 by Therty

[GolfinEngineer]

Pulled the trigger on a TS3 7i & KE4 Max 4i to gap my TS1s & KE4 FDI 2i. I'm really looking forward to see how the TS3's play, I'm going to compare with the TS1(gamers) PTM, and TE 6i, & Maybe an old set of MP33s 😉. The TS4 looks gorgeous and will inevitable get a test club but would love a combo set. I think Britt and team knocked it out of the park with the new additions.

[dhen9]

9 minutes ago, pozzit said:

Pulled the trigger on a TS3 7i & KE4 Max 4i to gap my TS1s & KE4 FDI 2i. I'm really looking forward to see how the TS3's play, I'm going to compare with the TS1(gamers) PTM, and TE 6i, & Maybe an old set of MP33s 😉. The TS4 looks gorgeous and will inevitable get a test club but would love a combo set. I think Britt and team knocked it out of the park with the new additions.

Agreed, and now you're gonna get a TE+ and DBM+. The driver (non Tour) is on point and the coming adjustable fairways you have a killer 2023/24 range. 

[GolfinEngineer]

6 minutes ago, dhen9 said:

Agreed, and now you're gonna get a TE+ and DBM+. The driver (non Tour) is on point and the coming adjustable fairways you have a killer 2023/24 range. 

Well my bag consists of 14 clubs 12 of which have a large M on them so I'm a sucker for their performance to price point. I have been curious on their driver but I am a high spinner and cut across and really lose a lot so I really fall into the LS versions. I'm working to improve this but that seems to be a fleeting task over the last several years. 

[Cwebb]

58 minutes ago, Therty said:

I put a 36” shaft in the 7i expecting to trim… and it’s ~36.7” w/o grip, which is shorter than i would have expected. I thought the TS-1 I built are almost 1”, though that was some time ago so I could be misremembering.

 

Edit: checked the spec page. 1.355 hosel length - 0.531 heel height is approx 0.824in BBGM, which is close to what I measured. Wow, interesting.

 

Yeah, the TE/DBM are also less than 1".  So with these, sometimes we need to soft-step, if wanting to get closer to a flex match compared to an iron design with the a higher BBGM

Edited February 17, 2023 by Cwebb

[Therty]

4 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

Yeah, the TE/DBM are also less than 1".  So with these, sometimes we need to soft-step, if wanting to get closer to a flex match compared to an iron design with the a higher BBGM

soft step 1x is never usually a big deal. I have old stock x100 (dgix100), so they’re 2” shorter than current models raw, I’ll have to SS just to get to the length im after 🤣

[SE Gamer]

On 2/11/2023 at 9:06 PM, dhen9 said:

Just had a chance to hit the TS3 and a TS1-IM. Kris and The Crew at Golfworks are building the TS3 with AMT Black S300 any day now. The TS1-IM is absolutely stunning to look at but from a player who enjoys PTM, TS3, KE4 MAX it's just a bit intimidating. Currently bagging the new driver, KE4 hybrids and Max Milled wedges and its all good stuff. If ya don't believe me feel free to take a look at BST and see what wares I have for sale. 

 

Sounds like I need to stop by and try them out as well. Did you hit them on the LM they have set up (think it's a GCQuad)?

 

Really curious how the TS1-IM will compare to the OG TS1. Tested out a TS1 7i last year and loved it. Only held off on buying because the IM revision is supposed to have less offset. Also really curious if the IM is "hotter" than the original; given the different composition. 

 

[dhen9]

6 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

Sounds like I need to stop by and try them out as well. Did you hit them on the LM they have set up (think it's a GCQuad)?

 

Really curious how the TS1-IM will compare to the OG TS1. Tested out a TS1 7i last year and loved it. Only held off on buying because the IM revision is supposed to have less offset. Also really curious if the IM is "hotter" than the original; given the different composition. 

 

No sir. Just some target practice at Granvillle Golfland. 

[SE Gamer]

1 minute ago, dhen9 said:

No sir. Just some target practice at Granvillle Golfland. 

 

Interesting. Do they carry Maltby demo products? Haven't ever been over there. But that's actually closer to me than the GW campus.