MD/DC/VA Golfers - Twelve Monkeys Mental Divergence

[FAbb]

> @2moreTerps said:

> yes. i've been using a yoga for hips and lower back but i'm going to find a really really beginner one.

 

You probably would benefit from going to a couple classes, so you can have an instructor there to adjust you and help you feel the postures. Once you know your way around yoga a bit, it'll be easier to pick up and do the routines from video.

[thechief16]

Jeez. First semi of the US Am is a shitshow.

[aiyyer]

Did anybody tape the first nine holes of - Trolio vs Ogletree match??

[gsrjc]

It was a hot one. Good to catch up with folks. Made it home. Time to rest now.

Thanks to Ben and Gavin for organizing Fun times as always.

[TheCityGame]

Zinger on the short par 3, player using a 5 iron : I like this play. With that pin there, it's a tough up and down from greenside. Get a full wedge in.

 

Next player using driver : hits it in greenside bunker.

 

Zinger : nothing wrong with that. Shouldn't be too tough.

[TheCityGame]

Followed up by zinger talking about how difficult the full wedge shit is because of the false front. Toughest little short shot on course he says.

[aiyyer]

Walked behind Ogletree yesterday on #2 yesterday and #4 this morning with my younger son.

Hope he wins.

 

[jak77]

Hey fellas, just moved to the area a few months ago and looking for a reputable place to get fitted (driver first, irons later). I’m in the Ft Meade area pretty close to Nighthawk and Arundel. Read some pretty old reviews about Nighthawk but looking to see if anyone has some recent experience. I do like the fact that you can see your ball flight outdoors even if it’s off mats and not grass. Also have read good things about Golf care center in Bethesda and Golf Doctor in DC. Would be happy to hear any recommendations. Thanks!

[FAbb]

The US Am was really fun to watch. The last hole of the final was kind of a bummer, but it was an awesome match. Those guys played some really great golf.

[mizuno player]

> @jak77 said:

> Hey fellas, just moved to the area a few months ago and looking for a reputable place to get fitted (driver first, irons later). I’m in the Ft Meade area pretty close to Nighthawk and Arundel. Read some pretty old reviews about Nighthawk but looking to see if anyone has some recent experience. I do like the fact that you can see your ball flight outdoors even if it’s off mats and not grass. Also have read good things about Golf care center in Bethesda and Golf Doctor in DC. Would be happy to hear any recommendations. Thanks!

 

My vote is golf care.

[TheCityGame]

> @FAbb said:

> The US Am was really fun to watch. The last hole of the final was kind of a bummer, but it was an awesome match. Those guys played some really great golf.

 

2More terps texted me and said, "I'm rooting for the jerk" and I knew exactly who he meant.

 

Both of those guys had incredible short games which should come as no surprise with them being the finalists after playing at Pinehurst #2 all week. Given that they were "famously" playing the final on two courses for the first time ever, I was sort of flabbergasted they didn't show ANY (as far as I know) of the match on #4. That course would look amazing on TV.

 

After listening to that producer on NLU last week, I kind of get it. I'm sure they just brought the production equipment for one course. You can't just set up 36 holes of equipment, especially for two guys. . .haul that stuff around, set up towers, recalibrate trackman. They showed a couple shots from it but not much.

[FAbb]

Yeah, all we got were a few highlights from the morning match. It was especially a bummer because there was so much dead time in the broadcast. It's unavoidable when there are only 2 golfers on the course to follow. I must've fast forwarded through 2 hours worth of USGA propaganda, and other fluff.

[TheCityGame]

> @FAbb said:

> Yeah, all we got were a few highlights from the morning match. It was especially a bummer because there was so much dead time in the broadcast. It's unavoidable when there are only 2 golfers on the course to follow. I must've fast forwarded through 2 hours worth of **USGA propaganda** , and other fluff.

 

You talking about the USA flags made from fallen trees, or everything about Payne Stewart?

 

Every time they started that USA flag stuff, I thought we were getting breaking news about a hurricane.

 

[FAbb]

The USGA be like.

 


 

[misplacedtexan83]

> @jak77 said:

> Hey fellas, just moved to the area a few months ago and looking for a reputable place to get fitted (driver first, irons later). I’m in the Ft Meade area pretty close to Nighthawk and Arundel. Read some pretty old reviews about Nighthawk but looking to see if anyone has some recent experience. I do like the fact that you can see your ball flight outdoors even if it’s off mats and not grass. Also have read good things about Golf care center in Bethesda and Golf Doctor in DC. Would be happy to hear any recommendations. Thanks!

 

Brandon is one of the best fitters in the area at nighthawk. Caries all brands and will put it you in what’s best for you.

 

Off mats yes but see ball flight with trackman numbers. — beats fitting in doors

 

Also some Demoes are still happening in the area for all companies. Just have to search.

 

Welcome to MD..

 

[2moreTerps]

https://www.golfchannel.com/news/heres-where-each-player-will-start-tour-championship-leaderboard

 

JT - 2.25/1

Cantlay - 4.5/1

Brooks - 5/1

McIlroy - 8/1

Rahm/Reed - 14/1

Webb - 20/1

DJ - 25/1

Xander - 28/1

Scott/Hideki - 33/1

Kuch/Finau - 40/1

Rose - 45/1

Ancer/Rickie - 50/1

Casey - 66/1

Woodland - 80/1

Fleetwood - 100/1

Snedeker/Kisner - 125/1

Oosthuizen/Leish - 200/1

Im/Dechambeau - 225/1

Reavie/Kokrak/Glover - 250/1

Howell/Conners - 300/1

[2moreTerps]

on ladbrokes each way is 1/4 of the odds for 1st through 4th. I'd each way fleetwood and dechambeau.

[TheCityGame]

> @2moreTerps said:

> I'd each way fleetwood and dechambeau.

 

hashTag lightlyEditedPosts.

 

 

[TheCityGame]

Did anyone see them break down JT's footwork this weekend. They were adding graphics to his feet to show how much power he generates -- or something???

 

So, they show how at impact, his back heel is 9 inches off the ground, like this was some example of how powerful his ground forces were.

 

9 inches. And. . .

 

**His toe was still on the ground**, so technically, he was ZERO inches off the ground. Going by that graphic he was using about as much force to swing a driver as he does to walk. Who comes up with some of this stuff? He didn't leap 9 inches off the ground to hit the golf ball.

[aiyyer]

> @FAbb said:

> The US Am was really fun to watch. The last hole of the final was kind of a bummer, but it was an awesome match. Those guys played some really great golf.

Yesterday was great golf and being able to experience that bad Pinehurst with my golf apathetic twelve year old was pretty cool. Will Post dome photos later this week.

#2 was painfully hard and made #4 look like a resort course.

[gsrjc]

> @TheCityGame said:

> Did anyone see them break down JT's footwork this weekend. They were adding graphics to his feet to show how much power he generates -- or something???

>

> So, they show how at impact, his back heel is 9 inches off the ground, like this was some example of how powerful his ground forces were.

>

> 9 inches. And. . .

>

> **His toe was still on the ground**, so technically, he was ZERO inches off the ground. Going by that graphic he was using about as much force to swing a driver as he does to walk. Who comes up with some of this stuff? He didn't leap 9 inches off the ground to hit the golf ball.

Yeah I saw that too. They said for foot was 4 inches off the ground but his left toe was still touching too.

 

[2moreTerps]

city is your point about his swing or the graphic? his left foot comes completely off the ground in this. he uses his legs to generate incredible power.

 

[TheCityGame]

The graphic. The use of how high his HEEL was off the ground to indicate how much ground force he generated when in fact he was still in contact with the earth. They did this with both feet, like gs pointed out.

 

The front foot might come off by an inch. I'm not impressed. I unweight my front foot too. I'm not even saying he doesn't generate a lot of ground force, but we need a better way to measure it.

 

I also think it's a totally ridiculous thing to measure. It's one of those things that great players do just the right amount of but they could do more if that was the goal. They could squat down to the ground, and jump 3 feet in the air if they wanted, but they couldn't hit a golf ball very well. They could also probably turn their bodies more degrees, and they could use 48 inch driver shafts to all generate more speed. They'd end up looking like long drive champs and they'd suck at golf.

 

[FAbb]

All the ground forces/lower body stuff that's really come to the forefront in golf is interesting, but hard to conceptualize how it's really best applied. You can't just have Joe Hacker out on the driving range trying to jump at the ball like JT.

 

People hit the ball really hard because they swing their arms very fast, and unload the other they've loaded up through the ball at the right time.

 

It's like the pivot and ground force stuff doesn't really generate speed, but provides the optimal counterbalancing for a very fast arm swing.

[siegel159]

> @FAbb said:

> All the ground forces/lower body stuff that's really come to the forefront in golf is interesting, but hard to conceptualize how it's really best applied. You can't just have Joe Hacker out on the driving range trying to jump at the ball like JT.

 

As a Joe Hacker who has tried to jump at the ball to generate more speed, can confirm. It usually just results in me almost falling over.

 

[gsrjc]

> @siegel159 said:

> > @FAbb said:

> > All the ground forces/lower body stuff that's really come to the forefront in golf is interesting, but hard to conceptualize how it's really best applied. You can't just have Joe Hacker out on the driving range trying to jump at the ball like JT.

>

> As a Joe Hacker who has tried to jump at the ball to generate more speed, can confirm. It usually just results in me almost falling over.

>

I can also confirm from a few swings yesterday with driver that trying to swing out of my shoes just creates a big banana ball that goes OB at Challedon. That place has OB everywhere. Nice and smooth controlled swing has proven to me on track man that I hit the center of the driver and the ball goes farther but I don’t know why I feel like I need to swing faster. Mental.

 

[SullGolf]

Oh boy. Good day at the course yesterday.

 

When I was on vacation the previous week I was feeling really good about my ball striking. Right before that I started working with a training aid I saw on iTeach's instagram, and it's really working for me. I'll say more if I can turn it in to something sustainable and this isn't just a flash in the pan.

 

I boasted to Hoop the night before that I was going to shoot 78, but triple on the first felt like that was gone. Backed that up by hitting it in to the trees on the second hole, but got a lucky bounce and ended up in the fairway. Then it was on. Hit a 6 iron from 175 to about 8 feet and sunk it for birdie. Didn't look back. Minus one toe shank straight in to the woods on 13, I played completely stress free golf.

 

On 18 I knew I needed par for 79, hit a good drive that found the left rough, and I then topped my iron shot about 40 yards. I was fuming. Hit an okay 100 yard wedge to about 20 feet. Drained the 20-footer for par. First time breaking 80 since 2015. Four bogeys, a double, a triple, and a birdie.

 

Lost two off the tee and made triple and double on those two holes. Chipped twice, wedged once (on 18), and frutted twice. So 11 GIR plus 2 fringes. Two of those GIR were really long range, but I had a lot of putts inside 20 feet for birdie. Definitely could have dropped a few more for birdie, but made a few mid-range par putts to offset it. Felt really good with an iron in my heads. Felt really good with a putter in my hands, though my stats weren't great (35 putts, two 3-putts from long range). Inside 20 feet I felt like I was going to drain it. Wasn't great off the tee when I needed to hit it long and straight, which could be a challenge at Bethpage.

 

Hoop was playing solid too. He had a couple X's that tanked his score, but was playing awesome for a best ball partner. On 1 we both hit it OB, but he came back and sank the 2nd ball birdie for a 6/5 that kept us on track early. Then he made 3 others, including a slam dunked pitch shot on 6 that damaged the cup a bit. After 1 we never had a hole where we were both in trouble. Never made a net bogey. I just went back and looked at the card and we were 71 gross, which is pretty damn astounding for a 10 and 14 cap.

 

[FAbb]

https://www.golf.com/news/2019/08/19/want-more-fun-try-putting-your-pencil-down-and-stop-keeping-score/

 


 

To each their own, but I see that approach as deluding ones self. I think it's sort of a mentally weak approach. Pretending (and that's all it'd be) I don't care about my score isn't going to magically make me have more fun. I feel like learning to enjoy the game and the experience, while also trying to put together the best score one can on any given day is such a huge part of the journey of golf. It doesn't matter if you're a +3 or a 30. You don't have to be constantly in pursuit of getting better, but there's no reason you can't go out and try to execute and score to the best of whatever your ability is.

[willboyrd]

> @gsrjc said:

> > @siegel159 said:

> > > @FAbb said:

> > > All the ground forces/lower body stuff that's really come to the forefront in golf is interesting, but hard to conceptualize how it's really best applied. You can't just have Joe Hacker out on the driving range trying to jump at the ball like JT.

> >

> > As a Joe Hacker who has tried to jump at the ball to generate more speed, can confirm. It usually just results in me almost falling over.

> >

> I can also confirm from a few swings yesterday with driver that trying to swing out of my shoes just creates a big banana ball that goes OB at Challedon. That place has OB everywhere. Nice and smooth controlled swing has proven to me on track man that I hit the center of the driver and the ball goes farther but I don’t know why I feel like I need to swing faster. Mental.

>

 

So many stakes.

[siegel159]

> @gsrjc said:

> > @siegel159 said:

> > > @FAbb said:

> > > All the ground forces/lower body stuff that's really come to the forefront in golf is interesting, but hard to conceptualize how it's really best applied. You can't just have Joe Hacker out on the driving range trying to jump at the ball like JT.

> >

> > As a Joe Hacker who has tried to jump at the ball to generate more speed, can confirm. It usually just results in me almost falling over.

> >

> I can also confirm from a few swings yesterday with driver that trying to swing out of my shoes just creates a big banana ball that goes OB at Challedon. That place has OB everywhere. Nice and smooth controlled swing has proven to me on track man that I hit the center of the driver and the ball goes farther but I don’t know why I feel like I need to swing faster. Mental.

>

 

Well, I'll make a slight clarification. I've gotten way better at swinging out of my shoes on most shots. I think I've talked to Hoop and Domes about it, though I'm pretty sure Domes just thought I was being dumb. I'll hit the ball better when I'm going at like 95% as opposed to trying to hit a controlled shot.