Adjusting CBX2 possible/worth it?

[Skol-Mets-GBR]

Sorry if this is the wrong area. I did not plan ahead and got a set of 52/56/60 CBX2 wedges at the beginning of the season and I just got new irons and they don’t gap well. New iron set has a AW 50° and I need 54/58 wedges. Should I look at getting the CBX2s adjusted or better off just selling them?  If you can’t tell by the wedges I am not good and usually play 95-105 rounds. 

[jbrunk]

I’d play the 50° and 56° wedges; develop a 3/4 PW shot to fill the gap.

[North Butte]

6 hours ago, Skol-Mets-GBR said:

Sorry if this is the wrong area. I did not plan ahead and got a set of 52/56/60 CBX2 wedges at the beginning of the season and I just got new irons and they don’t gap well. New iron set has a AW 50° and I need 54/58 wedges. Should I look at getting the CBX2s adjusted or better off just selling them?  If you can’t tell by the wedges I am not good and usually play 95-105 rounds. 

I personally have never wanted to change wedges by more than one degree but I'd imagine doing two degrees with the CBX2 is OK. The issue will be that going two degrees strong will take two degrees of the bounce off each wedge. 

 

If you can find someone locally who can do the bending here's an idea. I played for 10+ years with a 50/55/60 set of Vokey wedges (my 55 was a 54 bent weak). You may find that by just adjusting the 56 to 55 you have a set of good, playable distances. The LW will keep its 10-degree bounce and the SW will go from 12-degree to 11-degree.

 

Then if the 50-to-55 or 55-to-60 gaps are still too large you can have one or both bent another degree.

[Stuart_G]

8 hours ago, Skol-Mets-GBR said:

Sorry if this is the wrong area. I did not plan ahead and got a set of 52/56/60 CBX2 wedges at the beginning of the season and I just got new irons and they don’t gap well. New iron set has a AW 50° and I need 54/58 wedges. Should I look at getting the CBX2s adjusted or better off just selling them?  If you can’t tell by the wedges I am not good and usually play 95-105 rounds. 

 

Get them adjusted.    It's easy and wont cause any problems if it's only a couple of degrees, the change in bounce will usually be negligible for most.

 

The only question is whether to get the 52/56 adjusted weaker by 2* or the 56/60 adjusted stronger by 2*.    or you could get the the 52 weaker and the 60 stronger.  Then you can sell the one that doesn't get adjusted.   

 

Normally I'd say get the 52/56 adjusted weaker to give a bit more bounce - but there are a lot of factors that might come into play and certain times less bounce might be a bit better approach.    What kind of course conditions do you usually play on?  Is the turf hard or soft?   How about the bunkers?  thin, hard packed sand or deeper and soft?    How big of a divot do you normally take with the wedges?   

 

Edited September 3, 2020 by Stuart_G

[Tommyj]

You don't need to play 54/58 with your new 50 gap.  You can just play the CBX 56/60 for a couple of rounds and see how the gap between the 50 and 56 works for you, 6* shouldn't be a problem.  If it is, have the 56 bent slightly stronger.  Or you can have the 52 CBX bent slightly stronger and leave your new 50 gap out of the bag.  All cheaper solutions than selling your CBX's.

Edited September 3, 2020 by Tommyj

[cavemeister]

I would get new wedges. I use the cbx2, and love them, but the sole on the is really wide and I imagine adjusting their loft will really affect their turf interaction more than most. I have always bent my wedges, but the cbx2 sole is really different(bulkier) than your average wedge...

Edited September 4, 2020 by cavemeister

[Stuart_G]

4 minutes ago, cavemeister said:

I would get new wedges. I use the cbx2, and love them, but the sole on the is really wide and I imagine adjusting their loft will really affect their turf interaction more than most. I have always bent my wedges, but the cbx2 sole is really different(bulkier) than your average wedge...

 

There are always exceptions but a vast majority of ams wouldn't be able to notice a 2* change in bounce.

Edited September 4, 2020 by Stuart_G

[cavemeister]

Just now, Stuart_G said:

 

Vast majority of ams wouldn't be able to notice a 2* change in bounce.

The cbx2--really have a unique sole. Their turf interaction and sand interaction is way different than any wedge I've played before...I'm coming from cleveland cg14, cg16, cleveland tour...

[Stuart_G]

58 minutes ago, cavemeister said:

The cbx2--really have a unique sole. Their turf interaction and sand interaction is way different than any wedge I've played before...I'm coming from cleveland cg14, cg16, cleveland tour...

 

But have you actually bent them and noticed a difference?  Based on your first post it didn't sound like it but I may have mis-interpreted it.

 

Regardless of the uniqueness of the grind, there is really no right or wrong amount of bounce that applies to everyone universally, so you never can tell until some one tries it.  And what may not work for one person can be perfectly fine for another.  Besides, the worst case is that if doesn't work out you just bend them back and still have the option to buy a new one of the desired loft.

[North Butte]

1 hour ago, Stuart_G said:

 

But have you actually bent them and noticed a difference?  Based on your first post it didn't sound like it but I may have mis-interpreted it.

 

Regardless of the uniqueness of the grind, there is really no right or wrong amount of bounce that applies to everyone universally, so you never can tell until some one tries it.  And what may not work for one person can be perfectly fine for another.  Besides, the worst case is that if doesn't work out you just bend them back and still have the option to buy a new one of the desired loft.

Stuart,

 

The CBX2 really do have a massive sole. It's an interesting compromise with some of the playing characteristics of the Super-Dooper-Game-Improver Smart Sole/Sure Out/Alien type club and a conventional wedge. 

 

For instance I had been taught over the last few years a bunker swing that involves opening the face a lot, playing the ball forward in my stance and using a bunch of hand action to zip the wedge under the ball and generate some height and control. I got pretty reliable with it using my Vokey wedges but it just will not work at all with a CBX2. I had to switch back to a more square face, ball just forward of center and making a full swing with only a basic wrist c0ck-uncock action. The massive sole of the CBX2 just will not "zip" through the sand under the ball like a Vokey.

 

So I'm inclined toward caution when considering even a 2-degree change of loft/bounce. It ought to be no problem but then again, I'd have thought my usual bunker game would be no problem, either. 

 

I was willing to change my bunker technique because in every situation other than bunkers the CBX2 are saving me strokes. According to my Strokes Gained stats I am about 0.20 strokes *per shot* better on shots between 40 and 100 yards with the CBX2 than with the Vokeys and that translates to about a stroke per round. But there was definitely an adaptation period.

[Stuart_G]

5 minutes ago, North Butte said:

Stuart,

 

The CBX2 really do have a massive sole. It's an interesting compromise with some of the playing characteristics of the Super-Dooper-Game-Improver Smart Sole/Sure Out/Alien type club and a conventional wedge. 

 

For instance I had been taught over the last few years a bunker swing that involves opening the face a lot, playing the ball forward in my stance and using a bunch of hand action to zip the wedge under the ball and generate some height and control. I got pretty reliable with it using my Vokey wedges but it just will not work at all with a CBX2. I had to switch back to a more square face, ball just forward of center and making a full swing with only a basic wrist c0ck-uncock action. The massive sole of the CBX2 just will not "zip" through the sand under the ball like a Vokey.

 

So I'm inclined toward caution when considering even a 2-degree change of loft/bounce. It ought to be no problem but then again, I'd have thought my usual bunker game would be no problem, either. 

 

I was willing to change my bunker technique because in every situation other than bunkers the CBX2 are saving me strokes. According to my Strokes Gained stats I am about 0.20 strokes *per shot* better on shots between 40 and 100 yards with the CBX2 than with the Vokeys and that translates to about a stroke per round. But there was definitely an adaptation period.

 

It's certainly good to hear about some feedback based on actual experience with those wedges.   And I do agree that the size of the sole is an important consideration above and beyond just the actual bounce angle.

 

Just remember the OP has the option to both adjust up or down.   From your description it sounds like adjusting the loft down to decrease bounce might be potentially less problematic with the larger soles.

 

[North Butte]

21 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

It's certainly good to hear about some feedback based on actual experience with those wedges.   And I do agree that the size of the sole is an important consideration above and beyond just the actual bounce angle.

 

Just remember the OP has the option to both adjust up or down.   From your description it sounds like adjusting the loft down to decrease bounce might be potentially less problematic with the larger soles.

 

Without trying it, it's always hard to guess. In general (i.e. with Vokeys) I always go weak because I want as much bounce as I can get. But with the CBX2 my first inclination would be to go the other way (strong). I certainly wouldn't want any more bounce than my 52 and 58 have at stock loft.

 

Even though the soles say "52/11" and "58/10" they don't play remotely like Vokeys would with those bounces. The 58/10 plays a little wider/more bounce than a 58.12 D-grind and the 52/11 plays as though it has far more bounce than a 52.12 F-grind.

[drumdude96]

Bend the 56 to 55 and play it and the 60. That's what I did and it's perfect. No need to over think it. 

[North Butte]

28 minutes ago, drumdude96 said:

Bend the 56 to 55 and play it and the 60. That's what I did and it's perfect. No need to over think it. 

I don't know the OP's swing or game but if he's at all a short hitter like me, those 5-degree loft gaps work just fine. 

 

For the decade-plus that I played 50/55/60 Vokeys my numbers were basically 100/88/72 with full swings with them. Those gaps of 12 yards and 16 yards are no big deal, if I swung 10mph faster they might be a bit wider.

[jbandalo]

Just continue to play the CBX2 52, 56 and 60 and put the set wedge in the closet. That’s what I did and all good. 

[7fa]

I have a set of CBX2 wedges in 54 and 58 with a 50* gap wedge and find the gapping a little narrow. Never thought of having them bent, but 55 and 60 would make alot of sense... 

[Milfordlefty]

fyi, if not known by OP, the 52 sole is different than 56 and 56 is different than 60 (52-V shaped, 56-S shaped and 60-C shaped. Not sure if it makes any difference to OP which is bent stronger or weaker.