Hot melt in a G425

[hammergolf]

I hit the G425 max and loved everything BUT the sound. I want to have Ping put in hot melt, but I don’t want to effect the bias or GC too much. How much would need to be added to mute the sound?

[Tree Levino]

Not a whole lot to change the noise. You just have to be super careful with weight... pings are already really heavy so watch the build. 

[Scottishducati]

I ordered a 15 gram weight for the back of my G425 to take head weight down to 189g. I play head weight around 200-202g. Would this be too much hot melt? My thoughts were I would put in 2g of hot melt with the 26g weight (should be 202 after the hot melt). If I didn’t see a sound difference I was going to put in 12g hot melt, 6g forward and center and 6g all the way back neutral. Thoughts? 

Edited January 22, 2021 by Scottishducati

[flybyublue]

stuff a few cotton balls in it and it mutes it perfectly...add to taste 

Edited January 23, 2021 by flybyublue

[Scottishducati]

On 1/16/2021 at 7:50 PM, hammergolf said:

I hit the G425 max and loved everything BUT the sound. I want to have Ping put in hot melt, but I don’t want to effect the bias or GC too much. How much would need to be added to mute the sound?

So my G425 max head was 198 grams when I got it which was a bit light for my setup coming in around C9 swingweight (playing length 45” Ventus Red 6X with a 57 gram grip - the red plays a touch counterbalanced compared to the blue or the back Ventus).
 

The G425 max sound was not to my liking since it sounded like an old cobra or softball bat. I added 4 grams of hot melt to the middle/front of the bottom of the head where the hollow sound comes from. It now sounds very comparable to better sounding Ping heads with the hot melt. I probably could have gotten away with only doing 2 grams to change the sound but needed 2 more grams of weight to get to D2. 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Scottishducati

[Brooks_Cupcake]

On 1/16/2021 at 7:50 PM, hammergolf said:

I hit the G425 max and loved everything BUT the sound. I want to have Ping put in hot melt, but I don’t want to effect the bias or GC too much. How much would need to be added to mute the sound?

go with 4g. Also, Ping will adjust the back weight to get to your SW required, after adding hot melt, so you don’t have to worry about it being heavy.

[flybyublue]

Pretty sure every 2 grams of headweight equates to 1 swingweight...check me on that but somthing close is the point.  The g425 Max head is already heavy at 206 grams...adding 4grams to the head plus some counter balance weight can really change dynamics...need to pay attention to overall club weight too.  Counter balance shafts are a good option for the g425 for this reason.  

[flybyublue]

On 1/22/2021 at 9:04 AM, Scottishducati said:

I ordered a 15 gram weight for the back of my G425 to take head weight down to 189g. I play head weight around 200-202g. Would this be too much hot melt? My thoughts were I would put in 2g of hot melt with the 26g weight (should be 202 after the hot melt). If I didn’t see a sound difference I was going to put in 12g hot melt, 6g forward and center and 6g all the way back neutral. Thoughts? 

Sounds like a lot of hotmelt. What did you end up doing?  Don't they sell a back weight around 20 grams instead of the stock 26g?  Going to a 15g weight in back will change dynamics big time i'm guessing...

[Scottishducati]

6 hours ago, flybyublue said:

Sounds like a lot of hotmelt. What did you end up doing?  Don't they sell a back weight around 20 grams instead of the stock 26g?  Going to a 15g weight in back will change dynamics big time i'm guessing...

So I ended up throwing the 15 in the back and put 10 grams of lead tape up front to test it at a higher loft. The driver is amazing without changing out the weight but needed it at its lowest setting. I thought I’d try it with a lower spin setup with more loft. The way it’s playing right now is a more forgiving LST. I haven’t played with it like this on the course yet since I just set it up this way yesterday. We’ll see how it goes. 

[xandersingh]

can someone point me in the direction of how you would add hotmelt after the driver is purchased? like a way to do it from home? thanks!

[Scottishducati]

8 minutes ago, xandersingh said:

can someone point me in the direction of how you would add hotmelt after the driver is purchased? like a way to do it from home? thanks!

I got the hotmelt kit from golf works for around $150. It works good enough and the hotmelt is the same quality as a good one. A nice setup is expensive but way nicer to use. I just don’t hotmelt that often so I just need it to do its job. 

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by Scottishducati

[J13]

I've hotmelted about 6 Ping G425's in my shop so far.  I've been able to help sound with as little as 4-5g's and almost all builds involved a lighter weight being added to the perimeter sliding weight.  Fortunately they can be found online fairly easily.  Also most Ping builds for tour players are doing this exact same thing.

 

If anyone needs assistance with melt and don't have a local place just pm me.  Happy to help.

[flybyublue]

2 hours ago, J13 said:

I've hotmelted about 6 Ping G425's in my shop so far.  I've been able to help sound with as little as 4-5g's and almost all builds involved a lighter weight being added to the perimeter sliding weight.  Fortunately they can be found online fairly easily.  Also most Ping builds for tour players are doing this exact same thing.

 

If anyone needs assistance with melt and don't have a local place just pm me.  Happy to help.

good to know, thanks.  I just ordered a 21 gram weight, plan on adding 4g of hotmelt to keep swingweight the same since it's working so well.

[Scottishducati]

34 minutes ago, flybyublue said:

good to know, thanks.  I just ordered a 21 gram weight, plan on adding 4g of hotmelt to keep swingweight the same since it's working so well.

4g made a difference in sound when I put it in the bottom center where the ping logo is. That seems to be the spot that makes the hollow noise. 

[dach818]

12 hours ago, J13 said:

I've hotmelted about 6 Ping G425's in my shop so far.  I've been able to help sound with as little as 4-5g's and almost all builds involved a lighter weight being added to the perimeter sliding weight.  Fortunately they can be found online fairly easily.  Also most Ping builds for tour players are doing this exact same thing.

 

If anyone needs assistance with melt and don't have a local place just pm me.  Happy to help.

If you added hotmelt and went to a lower weighing sliding weight in the back, would that reduce the MOI of the clubhead?

[Scottishducati]

9 hours ago, dach818 said:

If you added hotmelt and went to a lower weighing sliding weight in the back, would that reduce the MOI of the clubhead?

It would lower the moi but because the max is one of the most forgiving drivers ever made you can mess with the cg and not get punished on mishits. I put a 15 gram weight in the back which is what the LST has in the back I believe but because the max has a larger footprint it still has a larger moi or resistance to twisting when mishit. I’m trying to make a forgiving low spin bomber (ventus red tipped an inch and 1/2 helps to lower spin). I moved the cg  forward but also upped the loft by a degree and 1/2 so it will be fun to see what happens. My goal is to keep the spin rate I had at 7.5 degrees (because it was around 2100) but up the launch by a degree or two. Worst case I can go back and have a long and extremely forgiving driver. 

[Scottishducati]

I’m sorry, didn’t see that your comment was for @J13. Sounds like he has way more knowledge on it than I do. 

[dach818]

That’s what I thought.  I think I’m going to add 6 grams of hotmelt in the max and use a 15 gram weight to keep the swingweight down.

[dach818]

1 minute ago, Scottishducati said:

I’m sorry, didn’t see that your comment was for @J13. Sounds like he has way more knowledge on it than I do. 

No problem.  I was just looking for any information.

[Golfrnut]

34 minutes ago, dach818 said:

That’s what I thought.  I think I’m going to add 6 grams of hotmelt in the max and use a 15 gram weight to keep the swingweight down.

 

Your talking about very minimal numbers there.  You would be taking weight away from the perimeter, but look at it this way, 6 grams on a 200 gram head is only 3% of the weight.  Couple that with the fact the weight is still there, just placed in a slightly different location.  It won't move the CG or do anything of that nature, just way too small of an amount, and not moved far enough way from the original CG to have any effect.

Edited February 12, 2021 by Golfrnut

[J13]

10 hours ago, dach818 said:

If you added hotmelt and went to a lower weighing sliding weight in the back, would that reduce the MOI of the clubhead?

 

Depends on where you put the hotmelt and how much.  But we are talking minimal changes unless you are slamming 15g against the face.  For example the G425LST has a 17g weight. Most tour players replace that with a 14g weight and add some hotmelt for sound and possibly bias based on specs.  In this situation the MOI change is minimal and won't impact performance.

Edited February 12, 2021 by J13

[Scottishducati]

19 minutes ago, J13 said:

 

Depends on where you put the hotmelt and how much.  But we are talking minimal changes unless you are slamming 15g against the face.  For example the G425LST has a 17g weight. Most tour players replace that with a 14g weight and add some hotmelt for sound and possibly bias based on specs.  In this situation the MOI change is minimal and won't impact performance.

@J13 Will I be able to affect spin rate (or try and keep it similar to the lower lofted setting) if i go from a 25g weight in the back to a 14g weight (weighed both and that’s what both came out to with the same screw) and then put 11g of lead tape in the front with 4g of hotmelt also in the front center? It’s about 15g of weight forward (picture shown above). My head weight was only 198 when I got it and moved it to 202g similar to the lst I was playing. It definitely feels like I achieved what I was looking for after playing with it. Launch went up a bit going from 7.5 (Big -) to 9 degree stock setting. It was never spinny for me anyways so I might just be marginally changing it but enjoying the benefits of flying it further. 

[J13]

1 minute ago, Scottishducati said:

@J13 Will I be able to affect spin rate (or try and keep it similar to the lower lofted setting) if i go from a 25g weight in the back to a 14g weight (weighed both and that’s what both came out to with the same screw) and then put 11g of lead tape in the front with 4g of hotmelt also in the front center? It’s about 15g of weight forward (picture shown above). My head weight was only 198 when I got it and moved it to 202g similar to the lst I was playing. It definitely feels like I achieved what I was looking for after playing with it. Launch went up a bit going from 7.5 (Big -) to 9 degree stock setting. It was never spinny for me anyways so I might just be marginally changing it but enjoying the benefits of flying it further. 

 

Those changes will definitely effect spin rate.

[PorkChopExpress]

2-3g melt neutral sole then change our the weights as needed to adjust the club
 

Edited February 13, 2021 by desaille

[Wardonation]

@J13 I have had an issue with the 410LST turning it over (very fade bias imo). I even had to  take the regular and close it 1.5 as well. I miss the 400 max. I am a in/out +4 aoa guy at 112. I read somewhere tour pros are hotmelting the LST in the heel? Have you heard this by chance? Do you have any set up suggestions for me? I really want to play the MAX head? Thanks...

[J13]

On 2/14/2021 at 4:08 PM, Wardonation said:

@J13 I have had an issue with the 410LST turning it over (very fade bias imo). I even had to  take the regular and close it 1.5 as well. I miss the 400 max. I am a in/out +4 aoa guy at 112. I read somewhere tour pros are hotmelting the LST in the heel? Have you heard this by chance? Do you have any set up suggestions for me? I really want to play the MAX head? Thanks...

 

I haven't heard that about hotmelt location but looking at the players setups and what CG shifter weight they have (most 14g instead of 17g) they don't have much room to play with.  Basically, it looks like they are adding melt in the 3-4g range which won't add any sort of noticeable bias.  I would bet its mostly for acoustics as the 425 is louder than previous generations.

 

My recommendation is try the Ping G425 Max.  The moveable/sliding weight is amazing.  Also try the Callaway Epic Max or LS if you need less spin.  Very easy to make them draw bias.

[Wardonation]

4 hours ago, J13 said:

 

I haven't heard that about hotmelt location but looking at the players setups and what CG shifter weight they have (most 14g instead of 17g) they don't have much room to play with.  Basically, it looks like they are adding melt in the 3-4g range which won't add any sort of noticeable bias.  I would bet its mostly for acoustics as the 425 is louder than previous generations.

 

My recommendation is try the Ping G425 Max.  The moveable/sliding weight is amazing.  Also try the Callaway Epic Max or LS if you need less spin.  Very easy to make them draw bias.

Thanks @j13 I value your judgement as you know more than me for sure. I am thinking MAX 9 degree will let me play with face angle and weight. I will hotmelt for sure. I am low spin guy but looking at the "MAX" from most people looks like the spin can be a touch high? I am locked on the Ventus Blue 6x for sure, might tip it a touch though to help with spin as well. I will purchase first then get on QUAD 🤣.. Typical wrxer style... 

[Wardonation]

On 2/11/2021 at 6:57 AM, Scottishducati said:

So I ended up throwing the 15 in the back and put 10 grams of lead tape up front to test it at a higher loft. The driver is amazing without changing out the weight but needed it at its lowest setting. I thought I’d try it with a lower spin setup with more loft. The way it’s playing right now is a more forgiving LST. I haven’t played with it like this on the course yet since I just set it up this way yesterday. We’ll see how it goes. 

I am liking your set up (makes sense) to me. Do you have any updates on this? Did you order lighter head or did the rear weight change get you to the 198? Thanks dude....

[J13]

1 minute ago, Wardonation said:

Thanks @j13 I value your judgement as you know more than me for sure. I am thinking MAX 9 degree will let me play with face angle and weight. I will hotmelt for sure. I am low spin guy but looking at the "MAX" from most people looks like the spin can be a touch high? I am locked on the Ventus Blue 6x for sure, might tip it a touch though to help with spin as well. I will purchase first then get on QUAD 🤣.. Typical wrxer style... 

 

haha happy to help and best of luck.  The MAX wasn't high spin for me, i would classify it as moderate spin.  

[Wardonation]

2 minutes ago, J13 said:

 

haha happy to help and best of luck.  The MAX wasn't high spin for me, i would classify it as moderate spin.  

Ya I am not fast 49 years old 112 driver anywhere from +4 to +6 AOA, 3 to 4 in to out, quick transition...