Farmers Insurance Open 2021

[klebs01]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

He manipulated the rules perhaps. Still slimy and not ethical. Been playing competitive golf nearly 30 years and never have touched my ball without my playing partners observation first.

he informed his partners. There is no requirement to observe. The players could have told hold to wait until they got there. 

[deadsolid...shank]

Just now, t4t3r said:

And you don’t have to read and respond to my posts. If you truly believe that ball embedded then stop responding. Form your own opinion.

Really. If you post it out there it’s fair game to be responded to. You’re the one who said it can’t happen. Which has been said over and over again. In spite of people who are actually players and officials saying  they’ve seen it happen. So the video proved absolutely nothing. That’s not my opinion, that is a fact. 

[Red4282]

9 minutes ago, Holy Moses said:

As long as you don’t move the ball, yes

And how do you know he didnt lmao you cant see it.

[klebs01]

Just now, Red4282 said:

So you are saying technically any lie could be suspect for a drop. Please, thats nonsense

read the rules and tell me where I’m wrong. A ball that didn’t bounce and was buried after 4 inches of rain on a day that’s LCP. That’s completely reasonable. 

[Red4282]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Not necessary or required by ROG. 

Its an unwritten rule. It opens the door wide open to cheating otherwise

[deadsolid...shank]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

And how do you know he didnt lmao you cant see it.

you mean the same way you can’t know if it was embedded or not?

[Hawkeye77]

Just now, Red4282 said:

Its an unwritten rule. It opens the door wide open to cheating otherwise

Oh please. 

[klebs01]

Just now, Red4282 said:

Its an unwritten rule. It opens the door wide open to cheating otherwise

so it’s not a rule. Glad we agree. 

[Red4282]

3 minutes ago, klebs01 said:

he informed his partners. There is no requirement to observe. The players could have told hold to wait until they got there. 

And you dont have an issue with that? Im sure tiger “informed” elin nothing was going on too... 🤷‍♂️ Its the spirit of the game to have someone else look. Period.

[Red4282]

3 minutes ago, klebs01 said:

read the rules and tell me where I’m wrong. A ball that didn’t bounce and was buried after 4 inches of rain on a day that’s LCP. That’s completely reasonable. 

It is if someone else confirms. Thats all im asking.

[Hawkeye77]

Need some shut eye so I can get up and watch Euro Tour in the morning and then a really good Columbo!

[t4t3r]

Just now, deadsolid...shank said:

Really. If you post it out there it’s fair game to be responded to. You’re the one who said it can’t happen. Which has been said over and over again. In spite of people who are actually players and officials saying  they’ve seen it happen. So the video proved absolutely nothing. That’s not my opinion, that is a fact. 

You are theorizing what happened based on what others have seen happened in other situations, that is the definition of an opinion. Unless you were there and saw/felt that ball yourself, then it’s still your opinion. Even the video is all the visual evidence we have to make our own opinion. Patrick Reed is the only one who knows, for a fact, what happened because he moved the ball. I’m not arguing that he didn’t do that in accordance with the rules as they exist, and I’m not arguing with what you want to believe, that’s totally up to you and I have no problem with it.  But you’ve already made up your mind and have no interest in hearing information that contradicts your opinion, so allow other people to form their own.

[Red4282]

3 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

you mean the same way you can’t know if it was embedded or not?

Hence why someone else needs to see it!

[klebs01]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

And you dont have an issue with that? Im sure tiger “informed” elin nothing was going on too... 🤷‍♂️ Its the spirit of the game to have someone else look. Period.

not at all. He informed them. It’s there option to observe or not. That’s on them. Not reed. 

[Red4282]

Just now, klebs01 said:

not at all. He informed them. It’s there option to observe or not. That’s on them. Not reed. 

No integrity. 

[klebs01]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

It is if someone else confirms. Thats all im asking.

The rules official confirmed. 

[toddnt]

Put an official with every group on the weekend, simple solution!

[Hawkeye77]

2 minutes ago, t4t3r said:

You are theorizing what happened based on what others have seen happened in other situations, that is the definition of an opinion. Unless you were there and saw/felt that ball yourself, then it’s still your opinion. Even the video is all the visual evidence we have to make our own opinion. Patrick Reed is the only one who knows, for a fact, what happened because he moved the ball. I’m not arguing that he didn’t do that in accordance with the rules as they exist, and I’m not arguing with what you want to believe, that’s totally up to you and I have no problem with it.  But you’ve already made up your mind and have no interest in hearing information that contradicts your opinion, so allow other people to form their own.

You called him a “scumbag” and said he cheated but you aren’t arguing he didn’t follow the rules?  

[klebs01]

1 minute ago, Red4282 said:

No integrity. 

BS. If I’m in a comp and my group communicates there isn’t a need to observe everything up close. If there is a question call an official if available. Reed did that. All done by the rules and normal process. 

[Hawkeye77]

Dubai!

[deadsolid...shank]

3 minutes ago, t4t3r said:

You are theorizing what happened based on what others have seen happened in other situations, that is the definition of an opinion. Unless you were there and saw/felt that ball yourself, then it’s still your opinion. Even the video is all the visual evidence we have to make our own opinion. Patrick Reed is the only one who knows, for a fact, what happened because he moved the ball. I’m not arguing that he didn’t do that in accordance with the rules as they exist, and I’m not arguing with what you want to believe, that’s totally up to you and I have no problem with it.  But you’ve already made up your mind and have no interest in hearing information that contradicts your opinion, so allow other people to form their own.

I’m actually in agreement with you. I don’t know if he cheated or not. What I’ve been saying all along is there simply isn’t irrefutable evidence that he did cheat. And that according the rules, he proceeded properly. 

[Brooks_Cupcake]

I’m surprised that people are defending Craptain America as much as they are.

 

Did he break the rules, as he explained it? No.

 

But everything about how he handled it; bending down to fumble with the ball, moving it beforehand, pushing the grass (allegedly) to worsen his lie, whether within the rules or not is just plain BS and not within the moral compass of what golf is about.

He’s a clown, but unfortunately, he’s so good that he’s going to be around and in the hunt.

 

At least I have even more of a reason to root for the European side in the Ryder Cup now, unless he’s off the team then go ‘Mercia.

 

[Red4282]

6 minutes ago, klebs01 said:

The rules official confirmed. 

Before you touch it. No integrity

[deadsolid...shank]

6 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Hence why someone else needs to see it!

I don’t disagree. That would be the smart way to do it. Especially for him. But according to the rules, no one else does need to see it. See Rory’s situation just a short time later. 

[Red4282]

3 minutes ago, klebs01 said:

BS. If I’m in a comp and my group communicates there isn’t a need to observe everything up close. If there is a question call an official if available. Reed did that. All done by the rules and normal process. 

All normal but all the backlash eh? This aint normal. No integrity 

[t4t3r]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye77 said:

You called him a “scumbag” and said he cheated but you aren’t arguing he didn’t follow the rules?  

Rule. Singular.

 

Just because a rule exists doesn’t mean it’s a good rule. I commented about this rule in an earlier post. 

[Hawkeye77]

1 minute ago, J-Zone said:

I’m surprised that people are defending Craptain America as much as they are.

 

Did he break the rules, as he explained it? No.

 

But everything about how he handled it; bending down to fumble with the ball, moving it beforehand, pushing the grass (allegedly) to worsen his lie, whether within the rules or not is just plain BS and not within the moral compass of what golf is about.

He’s a clown, but unfortunately, he’s so good that he’s going to be around and in the hunt.

 

At least I have even more of a reason to root for the European side in the Ryder Cup now, unless he’s off the team then go ‘Mercia.

 

You’d root against the U.S. Ryder Cup team just because he’s on it? 
 

I hope he’s not, but those are quite different views. 

[Red4282]

1 minute ago, deadsolid...shank said:

I don’t disagree. That would be the smart way to do it. Especially for him. But according to the rules, no one else does need to see it. See Rory’s situation just a short time later. 

Well thats a stupid rule. Unless the pga tour encourages  cheating. Or maybe they should just cut the crap and do away with play it as it lies, and play everything up.

[Mustard_Tiger]

I'd like to see the U.S. team for the President's Cup and Ryder Cup go to 12 Captain's picks with no one automatically making the team. That way the Captain can pass over Reed. There's no way he should ever represent the U.S. again. He is a disgrace.

[klebs01]

2 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Before you touch it. No integrity

thats not the rules. You lift to check.