Farmers Insurance Open 2021

[Hawkeye77]

2 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Is his new shaft the Autoflex one that so many are raving about? Something like $700?  It might be giving him more distance, but he sure seems pretty wild with it. 

Was just about to ask that! That should be the wrx buzz!

[capking]

2 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

Is his new shaft the Autoflex one that so many are raving about? Something like $700?  It might be giving him more distance, but he sure seems pretty wild with it. 

I’m not sure, I only got to watch highlights of today’s round. 

[Holy Moses]

3 minutes ago, deadsolid...shank said:

What do you want them to do?

They could start by saying he should have called a rule official over before he picked up his ball. We all know in his situation today that it was unreasonable to believe his ball was embedded. But the Tour bends over backward to defend him which only emboldens Reed.

[Creedo77]

Eddie Pepperell's take on it...

 

"This is the part for me which is bizarre. I’ve *never* seen another player pick the ball up, remove it, place it somewhere else while waiting for a referee to determine whether it’s embedded or not. As Brandel noted, you just leave it."

[Holy Moses]

4 minutes ago, Creedo77 said:

Eddie Pepperell's take on it...

 

"This is the part for me which is bizarre. I’ve *never* seen another player pick the ball up, remove it, place it somewhere else while waiting for a referee to determine whether it’s embedded or not. As Brandel noted, you just leave it."

Only if you don’t want the official to be able to determine where you ball was

[t4t3r]

1 minute ago, Holy Moses said:

They could start by saying he should have called a rule official over before he picked up his ball. We all know in his situation today that it was unreasonable to believe his ball was embedded. But the Tour bends over backward to defend him which only emboldens Reed.

That’s one way for sure. The Tour has proven they’re not interested in ever taking a stance and thus any action in these sorts of situations.

 

Other things they could do:

1. Have a rules official with every group. I think the Tour can afford this.

2. Protect the field by reevaluating the rules from 2019 that were changed under some illusion of improving pace of play when in reality they’ve made the game vulnerable to players who lack integrity. 
 

I’m sure people smarter than me could come up with other ideas.

[me05501]

Call me crazy, but if the ball wasn’t imbedded when PR got to it, what advantage would he gain by saying it was, and/or taking the risk to be certain it was as some have suggested? His best outcome was a drop into the same sort of rough he was already in. It’s not like he ended up with a better angle or flatter lie or any other advantage. 
 

I’m not saying it would be a victimless crime. It just seems like a motiveless crime. 

[klebs01]

1 hour ago, t4t3r said:

This is real cut and dry: we all saw in the video and during live coverage the area of the course where this occurred - heavy rough that was at least a few inches in length. In the physical world we occupy, a golf ball simply cannot embed in that type of surface. For a ball to embed it has to reach the actual soil AND pass into it AND remain there. Torrey isn’t covered in thin, light grass or sparse patches where a ball could easily get down to the soil level. This wasn’t some trampled down area near the cart path that would have exposed mud and moisture by patrons, especially since there are no patrons!

 

Whether he followed the “process” or not, his past behavior hasn’t earned him the right to receive the benefit of the doubt. For all his talent and ability the guy is a scum bag at the end of the day.

That’s not true. A ball does not need to reach soil. It just needs to be in its own impression. 

[me05501]

1 minute ago, t4t3r said:

That’s one way for sure. The Tour has proven they’re not interested in ever taking a stance and thus any action in these sorts of situations.

 

Other things they could do:

1. Have a rules official with every group. I think the Tour can afford this.

2. Protect the field by reevaluating the rules from 2019 that were changed under some illusion of improving pace of play when in reality they’ve made the game vulnerable to players who lack integrity. 
 

I’m sure people smarter than me could come up with other ideas.

I assume that it would be difficult to find 50+ qualified rules officials in each town, so it would require them hiring that many traveling rules officials which would be extremely expensive and most of the time it would be totally unnecessary. How many rulings happen in every tournament now? If you have an official on each nine he should be able to get anywhere pretty readily. 

[Carolina Golfer 2]

2 minutes ago, me05501 said:

Call me crazy, but if the ball wasn’t imbedded when PR got to it, what advantage would he gain by saying it was, and/or taking the risk to be certain it was as some have suggested? His best outcome was a drop into the same sort of rough he was already in. It’s not like he ended up with a better angle or flatter lie or any other advantage. 
 

I’m not saying it would be a victimless crime. It just seems like a motiveless crime. 

The rough he dropped in was easily 2” shorter.  You couldnt see the ball in its original lie.  It was easily played from the drop lie.  Huge advantage. 

[t4t3r]

3 minutes ago, klebs01 said:

That’s not true. A ball does not need to reach soil. It just needs to be in its own impression. 

You’re missing my point. I agree with you, but the ball can’t make an impression in the type of rough Reeds ball landed in. Fairway yes, green yes, trampled down grass where people/players walk yes, but not in heavy rough like we saw.

[Pepe8714]

26 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

I gotta be honest... i think this was 100% calculated. If you know reeds history, all the way back to college and high school, you would understand...this is fun to him. He saw an opportunity-both players on other side, set up the whole “did it bounce?” And bam, began immedialy fiddling with his ball. He knew what he was doing. Its calculated. Cheaters are GOOD at what they do. Its always calculated opportunity. He needs a suspension to be honest.

this right here

 

adding to the above, he was -5 on the day, just hacked one out of the bunker and this was a ‘momentum killer’ The gears were definitely churning on the walk up 

[Holy Moses]

5 minutes ago, me05501 said:

Call me crazy, but if the ball wasn’t imbedded when PR got to it, what advantage would he gain by saying it was, and/or taking the risk to be certain it was as some have suggested? His best outcome was a drop into the same sort of rough he was already in. It’s not like he ended up with a better angle or flatter lie or any other advantage. 
 

I’m not saying it would be a victimless crime. It just seems like a motiveless crime. 

If it was in a terrible lie, at worst he could get the same lie. Chances are it would be better after a drop. Or Reed wants the hate and he does this to become the villain. Some people just like to cheat because the blowback fires them up.

[Mustard_Tiger]

Reed needs to be DQ'd and suspended from the tour.

[garrifij]

6 hours ago, FOOTJOY16 said:

Did it not look like he was pressing down on the ball when he was supposedly examining to see if the ball was embedded.. all before the official was there...??  It looked very suspicious why he reached back in there a couple of times...

I thought the exact same thing; looked like he created the lip to give him plausible deniability.

[Hawkeye77]

5 minutes ago, t4t3r said:

You’re missing my point. I agree with you, but the ball can’t make an impression in the type of rough Reeds ball landed in. Fairway yes, green yes, trampled down grass where people/players walk yes, but not in heavy rough like we saw.

Guy that plays there all the time says it’s possible. Official said it was possible. You play there? And it appears likely it was in some other impression so all the theorizing about what it could or couldn’t do doesn’t matter. That’s only relevant if they were dealing with knowledge that it bounced, and also seems likely if anyone had said it bounced he may have just played it. Who knows. 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Hawkeye77

[klebs01]

2 minutes ago, Mustard_Tiger said:

Reed needs to be DQ'd and suspended from the tour.

abosolute insanity. He did exactly what he was supposed to do be the rules. 
 

you don’t like the rules? Fine change the rules but reed did what he was supposed to do today. 

[Red4282]

4 minutes ago, Pepe8714 said:

this right here

 

adding to the above, he was -5 on the day, just hacked one out of the bunker and this was a ‘momentum killer’ The gears were definitely churning on the walk up 

And thats another calculation. When he is in contention. Hes not going to bother getting caught when theres no reward like missing a cut. He may do it then too who knows maybe its just as noticeable but i would highly doubt it. Most cheaters really enjoy the thrill of trying to get away with it. And thats not limited to golf either

[t4t3r]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Guy that plays there all the time says it’s possible. Official said it was possible. You play there? And it appears likely it was in some other impression so all the theorizing about what it could or couldn’t do doesn’t matter. That’s only relevant if they were dealing with knowledge that it bounced, and also seems likely if anyone had said it bounced he may have just played it. Who knows. 

I have played Torrey South actually. Thanks

[hybrid25]

The PGA needs a guy like PR, one who stands up for what he believes. I think this is a bit intimidating to most viewers, that's why they cry foul.

[capking]

Well I know who I’m cheering for tomorrow, and it’s certainly Patrick Reed.

[krazykarlsig]

1 minute ago, klebs01 said:

abosolute insanity. He did exactly what he was supposed to do be the rules. 
 

you don’t like the rules? Fine change the rules but reed did what he was supposed to do today. 

Any other pro hit it in deep rough and without seeing the lie already expects it to be embedded?  A sane person would examine the lie first.  Reed was already laying the groundwork for it to be embedded without even seeing it.

[Red4282]

1 minute ago, capking said:

Well I know who I’m cheering for tomorrow, and it’s certainly Patrick Reed.

Well maybe you could go there and pick his ball and put it in the hole for him. Im sure both of you would just love that

Edited January 31, 2021 by Red4282

[Holy Moses]

3 minutes ago, klebs01 said:

abosolute insanity. He did exactly what he was supposed to do be the rules. 
 

you don’t like the rules? Fine change the rules but reed did what he was supposed to do today. 

The rules say, deep in the decisions, that it’s ok to push your ball into the soil to get a free drop and get out of a bad lie

[Hawkeye77]

1 minute ago, t4t3r said:

I have played Torrey South actually. Thanks

Then you and Patrick have something in common - progress!

[Holy Moses]

2 minutes ago, hybrid25 said:

The PGA needs a guy like PR, one who stands up for what he believes. I think this is a bit intimidating to most viewers, that's why they cry foul.

I think they cry foul because what Reed stands up for is being a pathological liar

[klebs01]

1 minute ago, Holy Moses said:

The rules say, deep in the decisions, that it’s ok to push your ball into the soil to get a free drop and get out of a bad lie

show me the proof he did that. Until then that’s complete nonsense. 

[Hawkeye77]

Actually dreading Jimmy Roberts rehashing all the rehashing about this come Monday when I just want to eat lunch and listen to the SJW and gambling updates!!

[capking]

3 minutes ago, Red4282 said:

Well maybe you could go there and pick his ball and put it in the hole for him. Im sure both of you would just love that

I hate to point this out to you but that would be cheating.

[deadsolid...shank]

Just now, klebs01 said:

show me the proof he did that. Until then that’s complete nonsense. 

I’ve only seen a video that shows him from behind. Which didn’t prove anything. Is there other video?