LIV with some big money announcements (*** TOPIC MODERATED ***)

[GreatStrike]

Paul Casey has harsh words for PGA Tour.

 

► Golfer Paul Casey has harsh words for PGA Tour after joining LIV Golf (msn.com) 

[jdl]

2 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

LIV is at event number three.  What you say is accurate certainly, but also expected given the novelty of LIV.

 

Right, just using your time frame:

 

Isn't that what LIV has essentially given us?

 

And we're never getting those great fields because LIV is turning away those top players....

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/liv-golf-league-format-2023-refining-business-model-turning-away-top-50-players

Edited July 27, 2022 by jdl

[Ghost of Snead]

20 minutes ago, Stevens24 said:

Patrick answered like a lawyer, " I don't have any plans at the moment to leave after the FEDEX Cup" What about at the end of the year? Like the answer to the question "Do you know what time it is?" "yes"

 

We shall see how it plays out, but fields like last week are why schedule needs to be shortened. Nothing wrong with taking the week after the British off. The PGA Tour does not need 45 events

 

 

 

How many guys have PGA Tour playing privileges this year ? How many have conditional status ? If you look carefully, there are alternates for every regular Tour event and as well as Monday qualifiers. How do you think some of those players would work their way into the top 125 if those events didn't exist ? Should they be relegated to the KF Tour forever just because some viewers don't want to watch them ? Where do you think Scheffler, Zalatoris, Koepka played before hitting the big tour ? 

I don't need a top 30-60 player event every weekend and the top players take time off anyway.  

 

Some days the Yankees play the Astros - other days the Yankees play the Athletics. Not every game is a top talent game. 

 

[GreatStrike]

3 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/26/media/national-press-club-liv-golf-reliable-sources/index.html

 

More backlash

 

Just a fake news hit piece... 

[Shortgamemagic]

3 hours ago, theodoreb said:

Well thats a yes to LIV from Cantley as he is obviously not towing the PGA tour line like the rest of them. Looks like the rumors had some merit. If the PGA tour looses Matsuyama, Cantlay, Cam Smith, Bubba, Leishman, and Scott as previously rumored from reliable sources, they are certainly going to have to change their defensive strategy. Looks like legacy and tradition is loosing its luster pretty quickly. 

 

The PGA tour should just be called the Rory/JT/Speith Tour as many players seem to be taking LIV and the potential growth of the league pretty seriously.

Say loose for lose once it’s an autocorrect. Twice in the same paragraph means the whole thought is invalid just like the “rumors” 😂🤓

Edited July 27, 2022 by Shortgamemagic

[GreatStrike]

3 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

🤣

 

Here he is at the end. Based on how he answers the question/body language, to me it seems like his has no deal now.

 

They should ask the question like,

 

Are you going to be playing on the pga tour next season?

 

 

 

 

Cantlay will be making the move to LIV in 2023 according to reliable sources... 

[subrew]

3 hours ago, aus10KC said:

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet... but recent LIV press release about 2023.

 

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-golf-announces-2023-league-launch-48-players-12-established-teams-14-events

 

My favorite part of it is this.

 

"LIV Golf League players are expected to compete in numerous International Series tournaments, bringing the world’s top players to locations such as Thailand, England, Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East, Indonesia, China, Singapore, Hong Kong and new locations across the Americas and Europe."

 

So much for playing less golf, now they have to play the same amount or more in different time zones. The players who signed big contracts were foolish to think the Saudi's weren't going to get their money's worth.

 

That's not what that means. 

 

The language is a bit tricky, as people are associating LIV with only the main LIV events. But LIV is trying to be a league/series or whatever you want to call it, so sometimes the "LIV Golf League" is referring to more than just the main LIV events we know about. It's a bit sloppy on their part.  LIV Invitational are the big boys, LIV International is their feeder series.

 

The "International Series" is essentially going to be their KFT.  So it will apparently be used as the series for relegation/promotion. 

 

You will have the main LIV events next year, 14 of them.  Then they will have the International Series events too.  They will pull the top performers out of the International Series to relegate the bottom LIV people.  

 

FYI, the International Series events already exist, they were new for 2022, run as part of the Asian Tour.  They held one in Thailand in March, one in London before the LIV London event in June.  They have events planned for Singapore in August, and Korea in August.

 

And yes, they have earned OWGR points for the two events already conducted.  The winner of the LIV International England event earned 14 points.  Second place at the 3M Open earned 13 points for reference.  

Edited July 27, 2022 by subrew
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[subrew]

A few other snippets from the press release I thought were interesting:

 

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Each season will culminate in a Team World Championship match play grand finale.

 

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The 2023 league schedule will not compete with the Majors, international team events or heritage events

 

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LIV Golf League will guarantee open competition with opportunities for promotions and relegations through the LIV Golf International Series, annually delivering new opportunities for international golfers, as well as pathways for amateurs and the next generation of leading players into elite professional golf. This format provides broad exemption categories so a wide spectrum of players can attempt to earn their way into the league. In addition, an end-of-season LIV Golf Promotions event will provide further opportunity for new talent to enter the league.

 

 

[avrag]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Let's see and prior to the SGL - 4 majors + Players + Last 2 Fedex Cup tournaments = 7 events. Toss in the Memorial / Bay Hill / Genesis and you have 10.  You can add the Scottish Open now as well. 

 

Since the closed shop SGL is planning 14 events for next year, how would that contribute to the 10 above ? 

 

https://datagolf.com/field-strength-table

    

Your purely American point of view is astonishing, although it shouldn't come as a suprise.
The last 2 Fedex Cup events have limited fields, don't they? The final one has only 30 players, right?
I have my own personal list of interesting events, which doesn't include Bay Hill and doesn't include the artificial "play-offs". Majors, Players, some US tournaments, which are interesting because of the courses. Is the "Genesis" the LA Open at Riviera? (Calling it something else is a prime example for how much the PGA Tour cares about "history and tradition") If so, it is one of the tournaments I always liked to watch, becuase of the course. The Memorial is also a highlight for me. Some WGCs are, but not the matzchplay, because I don't like that course.
The European PGA at Wentworth is a highlight for me, but I would be content to only see all the best European players there.
The LIV Golf events (don't you find it a bit childish to call it "SGL"? How about BMGL, wouldn't that be even better?) wouldn't count towards the 10 tournaments with the best players for me, because I see them as exhibitions.
What I mean is that I want to see the players who play them still being able to compete in the majors

[avrag]

1 hour ago, idrive said:

Well, you can thank GN for that scenario now being much more difficult to make happen.

 

In my view, it is Monahan and Pelley who are to blame way more.

[jgonz69]

6 hours ago, aus10KC said:

 

I think they'll be fine. Plus I don't think Bubba is all that well liked amongst his peers even though he is a fan favorite. 

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2015-04-09-bubba-watson-least-likely-to-be-helped-in-a-fight/

 

“An anonymous survey of PGA pros revealed that Bubba Watson is the player others are least likely to help in a fist fight.”

 

Nobody likes Bubba, it’s hilarious that the LIV stan’s are hanging their hats on guys like this.

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by jgonz69

[jgonz69]

LIV to “give” money to its own created organization to make it appear they are not sportswashing

 

[00steven]

1 hour ago, subrew said:

 

That's not what that means. 

 

The language is a bit tricky, as people are associating LIV with only the main LIV events. But LIV is trying to be a league/series or whatever you want to call it, so sometimes the "LIV Golf League" is referring to more than just the main LIV events we know about. It's a bit sloppy on their part.  LIV Invitational are the big boys, LIV International is their feeder series.

 

The "International Series" is essentially going to be their KFT.  So it will apparently be used as the series for relegation/promotion. 

 

You will have the main LIV events next year, 14 of them.  Then they will have the International Series events too.  They will pull the top performers out of the International Series to relegate the bottom LIV people.  

 

FYI, the International Series events already exist, they were new for 2022, run as part of the Asian Tour.  They held one in Thailand in March, one in London before the LIV London event in June.  They have events planned for Singapore in August, and Korea in August.

 

And yes, they have earned OWGR points for the two events already conducted.  The winner of the LIV International England event earned 14 points.  Second place at the 3M Open earned 13 points for reference.  

 

[GreatStrike]

Next year's 2023 field will play a 14 tournament schedule for a total of $405 million, an increase of $150 million. The PGA Tour is thought to face major difficulty competing with this enormous purse amount!

 

Early in 2023 it is expected an announcement will be made that the total purse amount will increase significantly higher, approaching the magical $1 billion mark. 

 

LIV's expanding global platform will add a new dimension to the golf ecosystem, one that provides an opportunity for players and fans around the world to help maximize the sport's true potential.  

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2022 by Hocus_Pocus
grammar

[Tennis19]

31 minutes ago, jgonz69 said:

Nobody like Bubba, it’s hilarious that the LIV stan’s are hanging their hats on guys like this.

 

liv haters love their pgat players until they leave for liv.  i can see this in the near future.

hideki "outside of japan, do the casual fan even know who he is"

smith  "lucky to have won the open, goofy haircut, he wont be missed"

cantlay "he can win all the fedex championship he wants, but he has done nothing in the majors"

 

 

[tiderider]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

How many guys have PGA Tour playing privileges this year ? How many have conditional status ? If you look carefully, there are alternates for every regular Tour event and as well as Monday qualifiers. How do you think some of those players would work their way into the top 125 if those events didn't exist ? Should they be relegated to the KF Tour forever just because some viewers don't want to watch them ? Where do you think Scheffler, Zalatoris, Koepka played before hitting the big tour ? 

I don't need a top 30-60 player event every weekend and the top players take time off anyway.  

 

Some days the Yankees play the Astros - other days the Yankees play the Athletics. Not every game is a top talent game. 

 

they spose to sit around and wait for an invite to a closed tournament, brah ... ain't fair that they get to enter a tournament and earn points & money while the stars ain't playing ... they spose to know their place, man ... 

[kmbean]

2 hours ago, MUNIGRIT said:

https://www.outkick.com/pro-golfer-robert-gamez-got-hammered-creepy-arrested-at-a-florida-pool-party-says-he-doesnt-remember-any-of-it/

 

Some of the teams 4 aces especially should pick Bob up! He is fun to party with and will pitch in on the blow for DJ and PP. 

 

[Ghost of Snead]

1 hour ago, avrag said:

Your purely American point of view is astonishing, although it shouldn't come as a suprise.
The last 2 Fedex Cup events have limited fields, don't they? The final one has only 30 players, right?
I have my own personal list of interesting events, which doesn't include Bay Hill and doesn't include the artificial "play-offs". Majors, Players, some US tournaments, which are interesting because of the courses. Is the "Genesis" the LA Open at Riviera? (Calling it something else is a prime example for how much the PGA Tour cares about "history and tradition") If so, it is one of the tournaments I always liked to watch, becuase of the course. The Memorial is also a highlight for me. Some WGCs are, but not the matzchplay, because I don't like that course.
The European PGA at Wentworth is a highlight for me, but I would be content to only see all the best European players there.
The LIV Golf events (don't you find it a bit childish to call it "SGL"? How about BMGL, wouldn't that be even better?) wouldn't count towards the 10 tournaments with the best players for me, because I see them as exhibitions.
What I mean is that I want to see the players who play them still being able to compete in the majors

 

You said ... 

 

I wish everybody involved would see and understand this perspective of somebody who is simply a fan of golf and wants to see events with the best possible fields at least eight or ten times a year.

 

A link was provided that gave you strength of field in all pro golf tournaments, not just American. It so happens that the best players play most of the time in the U.S. And then you made another derogatory comment about tournament sponsor names. Happens all the time in sporting events - fortunately, the history/legacy of a golf tournament is not lost b/c a different company picked up the sponsorship. The Masters used to be know as the Augusta National Invitation Tournament. Should we name it back so we don't lose those early years ? 

 

Now you make a comment about the limited fields of the Fedex Cup which include the best 70 / 30 players on the PGA Tour for the year. You want the best - you have them. 

 

And to be honest, I can't figure out what exactly you want so I think we're done here ... 

[Dicka]

Still pretty telling that the only players LIV seems to be able to recruit are either washed up, over the hill group that know they can no longer compete against the current younger crop, the banged up injured guys that are taking the money knowing they don't have much time left...or just the players so unppular on Tour they'll no longer be missed. 

[Ghost of Snead]

2 hours ago, subrew said:

And yes, they have earned OWGR points for the two events already conducted.  The winner of the LIV International England event earned 14 points.  Second place at the 3M Open earned 13 points for reference.  

 

They have submitted an application for OWGR points. Can you provide a link showing where the 1st two events actually received OWGR points ? 

   

Edited July 27, 2022 by Ghost of Snead

[Titleist99]

2 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

How many guys have PGA Tour playing privileges this year ? How many have conditional status ? If you look carefully, there are alternates for every regular Tour event and as well as Monday qualifiers. How do you think some of those players would work their way into the top 125 if those events didn't exist ? Should they be relegated to the KF Tour forever just because some viewers don't want to watch them ? Where do you think Scheffler, Zalatoris, Koepka played before hitting the big tour ? 

I don't need a top 30-60 player event every weekend and the top players take time off anyway.  

 

Some days the Yankees play the Astros - other days the Yankees play the Athletics. Not every game is a top talent game. 

 

Totally agree.......I think that it's frightening that you have to explain the obvious to casual golf fans......

Edited July 27, 2022 by Titleist99

[idrive]

We're about to sell out.  We're being bought.

 

I'm really sad.

 

Golf will never be the same. We've handed it over to the next gen.

 

Only Louder

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by idrive

[magnus7319]

Has LIV secured a television contract yet? Can I actually watch their tournaments and hear their announcers? Only on YouTube? Do they have a terrestrial tv deal? 

[CaseyC]

39 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

They have submitted an application for OWGR points. Can you provide a link showing where the 1st two events actually received OWGR points ? 

   

 

They didn't.  Here is a list of every 2022 tournament that received points

 

And the 3M winner got 26 points

 

 

http://www.owgr.com/events

Edited July 28, 2022 by CaseyC

[subrew]

47 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

They have submitted an application for OWGR points. Can you provide a link showing where the 1st two events actually received OWGR points ? 

   

 

I was speaking of The INTERNATIONAL Series events.  They earned OWGR points, as part of the Asian Tour. 

[idrive]

2 hours ago, avrag said:

 

In my view, it is Monahan and Pelley who are to blame way more.

 

Well, I'd say... 

 

I see a gap. There definitely is a gap

[GreatStrike]

48 minutes ago, idrive said:

We're about to sell out.  We're being bought.

 

I'm really sad.

 

Golf will never be the same. We've handed it over to the next gen.

 

Only Louder

 

 

 

Oh? How so? Please share! 

[bighitlama]

6 hours ago, aus10KC said:

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet... but recent LIV press release about 2023.

 

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-golf-announces-2023-league-launch-48-players-12-established-teams-14-events

 

My favorite part of it is this.

 

"LIV Golf League players are expected to compete in numerous International Series tournaments, bringing the world’s top players to locations such as Thailand, England, Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East, Indonesia, China, Singapore, Hong Kong and new locations across the Americas and Europe."

 

So much for playing less golf, now they have to play the same amount or more in different time zones. The players who signed big contracts were foolish to think the Saudi's weren't going to get their money's worth.

 

I think it would be a mistake to believe the players and their agents were not aware of LIVs long range plans when they signed up.   Certainly at least for the time period they signed on for.   If they didn't like what they saw they wouldn't have signed on. 

[jdowning111]

https://www.golfmagic.com/liv-golf/rumour-hideki-matsuyama-offered-400-million-join-liv-golf

 

400 million?!? Holy cow 

[jmck]

3 hours ago, subrew said:

And yes, they have earned OWGR points for the two events already conducted.  The winner of the LIV International England event earned 14 points.  Second place at the 3M Open earned 13 points for reference.  

 

Schwartzel won the LIV London hit and giggle (link).

 

The last time Schwartzel received OWGR points was his T60 at the 2022 PGA (link).

 

Either OWGR points have been awarded for LIV events or they haven't.  There is no difference of opinion here.  One is factually true, one is factually false. 

Edited July 28, 2022 by jmck