LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[stinger_gc]

11 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

I think PIF will dump LIV if they can get 4 big Aramco events with all the top players there.

 

They can phase LIV out, maybe have it focus in Australia and Asia

 

Its failed and just makes them look bad and even though they have the money, why waste billions when…

 

4 Aramco events with all the top players makes SA look great and puts the money to good use. 
 

Plus they get a stake in the of a tour 

 

No brainer for PIF

This would be the ideal scenario. I think Yasir’s deal is he wants team golf to be part of this 

[Ghost of Snead]

11 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

I think PIF will dump LIV if they can get 4 big Aramco events with all the top players there.

 

They can phase LIV out, maybe have it focus in Australia and Asia

 

Its failed and just makes them look bad and even though they have the money, why waste billions when…

 

4 Aramco events with all the top players makes SA look great and puts the money to good use. 
 

Plus they get a stake in the of a tour 

 

No brainer for PIF

 

Maybe a no-brainer for the PIF, but would those events be held outside of the U.S. ?  PIF would likely want one of those events in S.A. and another in Oz. 

 

Lots to iron out if that happens including scheduling, getting the top U.S. players to commit & the elephant in the room - how to handle LIV players returning to the PGAT/DPWT.

[Jolter]

9 hours ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

A sponsor can’t invite a suspended player to a PGA Tour event.  As regards PIF walking away.  One can only hope.  It’s past time for both sides to move on so we can stop constantly hearing about this nonsense from the golf pundits.

This may be true at this point in time but sponsors put up a lot of money for these events and apparantly some are starting to feel they are not getting their moneis worth. 

[Titleist99]

12 hours ago, bcjim said:

I don't think they can offer exemptions to suspended/banned players. 

 

I, like @bekgolf don't want to see those players. Especially if they get some kind of preferential deal allowing them to play after taking the cash and saying "screw you" to their former colleagues and fans.

 

Also, the biggest myth is that all the "best players" were ever all present non major events. And at any tournament, a significant fraction of the "best players" that enter are out of it after day 1 anyway. Look at today. Clark, Fowler, Cantlay, etc, etc, barring a miracle, done.

Having Rahm amd Koepka (who else would move the needle, Dean Burmeester?) around a few odd weeks? Will do nothing except reward their greed and disloyalty.  And they sure as shhht better not be pondering a plan to have liv B-teamers and pensioners taking dough from loyal PGA Tour golfers.

You mentioned a few names. Man, I had forgotten that Peter Reed even plays golf. Out of sight out of mind.🤣

[stinger_gc]

1 hour ago, freeze16172002 said:

LIV has 5 or 6 players after that who gives a crap if they come back. Niemann, Smith, Rahm, Koepka, DeChambeau maybe one other. See ya later to all of them

I love Bryson, Brooks and Cam. Was never a fan of Jon Rahm

Edited June 7 by stinger_gc

[bscinstnct]

54 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Maybe a no-brainer for the PIF, but would those events be held outside of the U.S. ?  PIF would likely want one of those events in S.A. and another in Oz. 

 

Lots to iron out if that happens including scheduling, getting the top U.S. players to commit & the elephant in the room - how to handle LIV players returning to the PGAT/DPWT.

 

Sure, have 2 outside the US. If the purse is 50MM everyone will come.

 

As far as  players returning, if Rahm BK BD want back on pga tour, you let them come back no problem 

 

There will be less pga tour events, outside the Aramco events, since all the big players will go to the Aramco events. But the pga tour gets the tv revenue from them so it’s good. 

[bcjim]

10 hours ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

A sponsor can’t invite a suspended player to a PGA Tour event.  As regards PIF walking away.  One can only hope.  It’s past time for both sides to move on so we can stop constantly hearing about this nonsense from the golf pundits.

It amuses me how the pundits "complain" (like breathless teenage girls) about how "tired" they are of covering the drama when in reality this absolute cash money for those guys.  Sine if these big twitter accounts exist only because they can go on all day about liv/pga drama.

 

Once liv hits the dustbin of history,  what are they going to talk about? Rory and Amanda? Rahm's potties?

 

These pundits are making their yacht payments on the back of this thing they're "so tired " of talking about.   

[BlackDiamondPar5]

1 hour ago, Jolter said:

This may be true at this point in time but sponsors put up a lot of money for these events and apparantly some are starting to feel they are not getting their moneis worth. 

I don't think LIV has much to do with it. Changing viewer habits continuing a trend that started 20 years ago and seem to be accelerating. 

[Titleist99]

11 hours ago, bekgolf said:

 

It's fairly obvious that the end goal is to have Liv host a few big tournaments a year and be the major collection of quality golfers.  We already have great tournaments outside of the majors in the PGA Tour. 

 

Liv has nothing, why would anyone give them anything?  All they have done is attempt to bring about a new order in professional golf, an order that puts Liv events as the best ones.  Who in their right mind would agree to let them take over?  The end product would be something like the Brady Bunch variety hour.  Much hype and little substance.

In their efforts to ruin the PGAT.....

 

Can't wait to see who they purchase next for $500 Million.😆

[Ghost of Snead]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Sure, have 2 outside the US. If the purse is 50MM everyone will come.

 

As far as  players returning, if Rahm BK BD want back on pga tour, you let them come back no problem 

 

There will be less pga tour events, outside the Aramco events, since all the big players will go to the Aramco events. But the pga tour gets the tv revenue from them so it’s good. 

 

I don't that will fly with the rest of the current PGAT players unless there is some penalty for joining LIV. 

[freeze16172002]

1 hour ago, stinger_gc said:

I love Bryson, Brooks and Cam. Was never a fan of Jon Rahm

based on my opinion of quality player. Rahm seems effective negatively by the move to LIV, doesnt seem to be the same player. What he thought would happen and what has happened didnt align. 

[Pops99]

Per the Shotgun Start pod, during LIV's "transfer window", the majority of calls were made by players to the league asking to get off their teams so they could have the AK independent contract. Apparently a lot of them hate their teammates and hate their teams. 

 

LOL can't make this s**t up

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

I don't that will fly with the rest of the current PGAT players unless there is some penalty for joining LIV. 

Harsh as it sounds, 

 

they don’t get a say

 

SSG, Jay, PIF, and the elected reps decide. 
 

Cantlay seems like he’s been holding out but he will cave in if the other reps, the tour, and SSG (who can obviously threaten to pull any future money possibilities ) want to do a deal that brings all the players back together and ends the PIF stealing top players 

 

PIF can dump  billions into the tour and make everyone happy anyway

Edited June 7 by bscinstnct

[smashdn]

58 minutes ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

I don't that will fly with the rest of the current PGAT players unless there is some penalty for joining LIV. 

 

Some of those cats just left with no fuss.

[Titleist99]

56 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

based on my opinion of quality player. Rahm seems effective negatively by the move to LIV, doesnt seem to be the same player. What he thought would happen and what has happened didnt align. 

Rahm will be fine once he gets used to the music, shorts, party atmosphere, shotgun start, 54 holes, team play, and different golf courses. IMO

[NormanFan]

3 hours ago, stinger_gc said:

This would be the ideal scenario. I think Yasir’s deal is he wants team golf to be part of this 

 

And that's something they need to get over because that just doesn't work.  I've long said to take the PIF money and channel it into some new WGC-like events.  One of those could be team-based like the old Alfred Dunhill Cup model or whatever.  And those WGCs can be spread across different parts of the world like South Africa, Australia, Japan, etc.  However, you still are going to need to get players to commit and that's why eventually lots of the WGCs just ended up back in the U.S.

[stinger_gc]

31 minutes ago, Pops99 said:

Per the Shotgun Start pod, during LIV's "transfer window", the majority of calls were made by players to the league asking to get off their teams so they could have the AK independent contract. Apparently a lot of them hate their teammates and hate their teams. 

 

LOL can't make this s**t up

I heard that and laughed out loud. 

[stinger_gc]

11 minutes ago, NormanFan said:

 

And that's something they need to get over because that just doesn't work.  I've long said to take the PIF money and channel it into some new WGC-like events.  One of those could be team-based like the old Alfred Dunhill Cup model or whatever.  And those WGCs can be spread across different parts of the world like South Africa, Australia, Japan, etc.  However, you still are going to need to get players to commit and that's why eventually lots of the WGCs just ended up back in the U.S.

The WGC model was set up to fail. For the longest time 3 events were in the US and the tv window for the China event was awful. The courses they played on were crappy as well

[Ghost of Snead]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Harsh as it sounds, 

 

they don’t get a say

 

SSG, Jay, PIF, and the elected reps decide. 
 

Cantlay seems like he’s been holding out but he will cave in if the other reps, the tour, and SSG (who can obviously threaten to pull any future money possibilities ) want to do a deal that brings all the players back together and ends the PIF stealing top players 

 

PIF can dump  billions into the tour and make everyone happy anyway

 

Maybe not directly - if the players don't approve of the equity plan (RSUs) and conditions on which LIV players can return, they can simply refuse to play until it is sorted. Individually or collectively as some form of union ...

 

You are likely right though - PIF can potentially make everyone whole just by throwing some cash around.

   

Edited June 7 by Ghost of Snead

[Titleist99]

I look for Rory to announce that he's taking his talents to the Saudi League for 1/2 billion dollars. When asked why, he'll claim he did it to bring the two sides together.,,

 

Worked for Rahm..... 🤣

 

Seriously though.... If Rory doesn't win a major this year, I think that he'll do something out of frustration in 2025.  Notwithstanding that TGL thingy.

[Golferpaul]

22 hours ago, SnowbirdTom said:

  LIV worshipers are gonna be heartbroken. Again.

I'm not sure any of those people actually exist.

[Golferpaul]

19 hours ago, bekgolf said:

 

I don't want to see any of the players who went to Liv.  But that's me and I'm an individual just like everyone else.

 

I would love to see every LIV player back on the PGAT.  I miss the days of the PGAT having all of the best players in the world.

[freeze16172002]

1 hour ago, Titleist99 said:

Rahm will be fine once he gets used to the music, shorts, party atmosphere, shotgun start, 54 holes, team play, and different golf courses. IMO

When to play, where to play and what to say

[aenemated]

43 minutes ago, freeze16172002 said:

When to play, where to play and what to say

 

... even if I'm not serious ... 

[Archimedes65]

3 hours ago, Pops99 said:

Per the Shotgun Start pod, during LIV's "transfer window", the majority of calls were made by players to the league asking to get off their teams so they could have the AK independent contract. Apparently a lot of them hate their teammates and hate their teams. 

 

LOL can't make this s**t up

 

Zero surprise.  Nobody wants to play team golf, outside of a few special events, usually associated with country.  These guys all grew up playing tournament golf as individuals.  You can’t throw them into teams and magically think they’re going to get along, much less build camaraderie.  It’s NOT A TEAM sport.

[Archimedes65]

2 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Maybe not directly - if the players don't approve of the equity plan (RSUs) and conditions on which LIV players can return, they can simply refuse to play until it is sorted. Individually or collectively as some form of union ...

 

You are likely right though - PIF can potentially make everyone whole just by throwing some cash around.

   

 

Once they’re not under contract with LIV, there’s nothing that the PGA Tour can do, or would want to do, to restrict those guys trying to earn their way back on Tour.  If tomorrow Rahm, Smith, Koepka, Deschambeau, Dj, etc. decided to walk away from their LIV contracts, the PGA Tour would take them back with open arms, and they’d have the support of most of the top guys.  They wouldn’t have rights to equity until they earned it just like any new player.  My guess is none of them would do that until their contracts are up, both for monetary reasons and to avoid the inevitable tortious interference lawsuit.  But I continue to believe that, if nothing changes in terms of a merger, a number of those guys will be ditching LIV when their contracts are up.

[Archimedes65]

6 hours ago, Jolter said:

This may be true at this point in time but sponsors put up a lot of money for these events and apparantly some are starting to feel they are not getting their moneis worth. 

 

Never happen.  The PGA Tour isn’t going to give up one of its key governance rights and responsibilities to a sponsor.  And the top players would never allow it.  They wouldn’t even entertain the conversation.

[bscinstnct]

13k viewers watching the Houston event on YouTube 

 

After spending $500,000,000 on Rahmbo 😳

 

ARum gotta be ready to deal!

[Archimedes65]

22 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

13k viewers watching the Houston event on YouTube 

 

After spending $500,000,000 on Rahmbo 😳

 

ARum gotta be ready to deal!

 

But according to Norman, that’s where the money is!  Fans streaming for five minutes on their phone.  Verrrry lucrative market…

[Archimedes65]

4 hours ago, NormanFan said:

 

And that's something they need to get over because that just doesn't work.  I've long said to take the PIF money and channel it into some new WGC-like events.  One of those could be team-based like the old Alfred Dunhill Cup model or whatever.  And those WGCs can be spread across different parts of the world like South Africa, Australia, Japan, etc.  However, you still are going to need to get players to commit and that's why eventually lots of the WGCs just ended up back in the U.S.

 

None of the U.S. players want overseas events.  There’s no way the PGA Tour members are going to agree to play 4-6 overseas events a year.