Fujikura Axiom, anyone hit these yet?

[James Cole]

Looking for real world feedback, specially compared to Modus 105…

 

Thanks!

JC

[eric61]

 

[third-times-a-charm]

Nope

[leftypga]

Spoke with the rep yesterday. He said our demo shafts, and everyone else should be shipping late this week or early next week. Should be soon

Edited April 12, 2023 by leftypga

[ericft]

Anyone hit them yet?

[federerfan23]

Hit a demo in a t100 today. Felt really good with great dispersion. 

[pkang]

I just built my set out and they feel great. I got the 105x. For reference by driver swing speed is anywhere from 109-113. They don't feel boardy to me like the steelfibers did. It's hard to describe them over the internet but I swing a Ventus blue TR in my driver and woods, which feel great to be. The Ventus blacks feel too stiff and boardy to me as reference. 

 

So the axiom feel great and when you flush a shot, smooth as butter. There were times when I hit the ball thin and it sent some shocks to my hand as if it were some hardcore steel shafts. 

 

Overall I like it, doesn't hurt my elbow, looks and feels great. has velocore in it, and didn't lose distance. The flight of my ball seems slightly higher than my x100 but that might be in my head. 

[zlawson36]

On 4/12/2023 at 5:26 PM, James Cole said:

Looking for real world feedback, specially compared to Modus 105…

 

Thanks!

JC

Hi JC,

 

I bit the bullet and had Will Peoples build me a set of ZX5 MK II 4-AW with Axiom 105S. I have been gaming Modus 105S for the better part of 2 years now, so I feel like I can offer some insight.

 

Mind you, I have only played one round with my new set, and have not hit any range balls. Here are my initial impressions:

 

Feel: They feel very smooth but stable. I was worried when I ordered them because some graphite shafts can feel board-like or harsh. I have experience playing Ventus Blue Velocore in my driver and these give me a similar load and release feel in the irons. Now, I recently switched from Ventus Blue in my driver to Nemesys, but I still loved the VB and the way it performed and felt. Going back to the iron shafts, if you are worried about them playing too stiff or hard to load compared to Modus 105, I can say that they feel great. I thought these launch in a nice window, and felt the same throughout my set. I play my irons +3/4" because I am 6'6". If you have a competent builder build them out to a proper swingweight, I think they will perform great. With the unique 3 parallel blank system that they use, you need to make sure you have somebody who knows what they are doing build them up. That's really all of the insight I can share right now, so I hope this helps.

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, zlawson36 said:

Hi JC,

 

I bit the bullet and had Will Peoples build me a set of ZX5 MK II 4-AW with Axiom 105S. I have been gaming Modus 105S for the better part of 2 years now, so I feel like I can offer some insight.

 

Mind you, I have only played one round with my new set, and have not hit any range balls. Here are my initial impressions:

 

Feel: They feel very smooth but stable. I was worried when I ordered them because some graphite shafts can feel board-like or harsh. I have experience playing Ventus Blue Velocore in my driver and these give me a similar load and release feel in the irons. Now, I recently switched from Ventus Blue in my driver to Nemesys, but I still loved the VB and the way it performed and felt. Going back to the iron shafts, if you are worried about them playing too stiff or hard to load compared to Modus 105, I can say that they feel great. I thought these launch in a nice window, and felt the same throughout my set. I play my irons +3/4" because I am 6'6". If you have a competent builder build them out to a proper swingweight, I think they will perform great. With the unique 3 parallel blank system that they use, you need to make sure you have somebody who knows what they are doing build them up. That's really all of the insight I can share right now, so I hope this helps.

When you say stable do you mean that they are anti-left or that they don't curve too much?  I have the MMT in my irons and they feel ok but I tend to lose them left when my swing is even slightly off or when I'm in in between clubs and and step on one.  LAGP L-series were more stable but I wasn't too keen on the way they felt.  Looking for something that feels smooth yet stable so I'm thinking the Axiom 125x may be the solution. 

[zlawson36]

30 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

When you say stable do you mean that they are anti-left or that they don't curve too much?  I have the MMT in my irons and they feel ok but I tend to lose them left when my swing is even slightly off or when I'm in in between clubs and and step on one.  LAGP L-series were more stable but I wasn't too keen on the way they felt.  Looking for something that feels smooth yet stable so I'm thinking the Axiom 125x may be the solution. 

I don't think they're anti-left, but I feel like I can go after it more and not feel like I am going to hook the ball. My miss lately has been a hook, and I felt like the ball started on-line and finished where I wanted. Although me hooking the ball to an extent was my setup issues that I have been working on. 

 

FWIW, I have experimented with the MMTs (105S) and SF95, and find these to have better feel while still being stable and not difficult to load. I am not a high speed player, but I was timing the shaft perfectly given my tempo which is moderate. 

[Willrobs1]

On 5/5/2023 at 7:38 AM, zlawson36 said:

Hi JC,

 

I bit the bullet and had Will Peoples build me a set of ZX5 MK II 4-AW with Axiom 105S. I have been gaming Modus 105S for the better part of 2 years now, so I feel like I can offer some insight.

 

Mind you, I have only played one round with my new set, and have not hit any range balls. Here are my initial impressions:

 

Feel: They feel very smooth but stable. I was worried when I ordered them because some graphite shafts can feel board-like or harsh. I have experience playing Ventus Blue Velocore in my driver and these give me a similar load and release feel in the irons. Now, I recently switched from Ventus Blue in my driver to Nemesys, but I still loved the VB and the way it performed and felt. Going back to the iron shafts, if you are worried about them playing too stiff or hard to load compared to Modus 105, I can say that they feel great. I thought these launch in a nice window, and felt the same throughout my set. I play my irons +3/4" because I am 6'6". If you have a competent builder build them out to a proper swingweight, I think they will perform great. With the unique 3 parallel blank system that they use, you need to make sure you have somebody who knows what they are doing build them up. That's really all of the insight I can share right now, so I hope this helps.

Thanks for the review, awesome info here. Would you mind giving some insight into your swing speeds if you know them? I.e. driver or more specifically 7 iron

[zlawson36]

7 iron swing speed at 78 mph, and driver around 95 but this was last year after an injury. I am working my speed back up now and expect to be around 82 and 100. My total driver distance is around 260 on average and my 7 iron carry distance is mid 150s to low 160s with a ZX5 MK II

Edited May 9, 2023 by zlawson36

[Willrobs1]

Additionally, I have a question for the expert club builders/anyone who has insight. Since they have the long parallel, mid parallel, and short parallel flexes - would these characteristics make them easier/good candidates to hard step/soft step? 
 

Hope that question makes sense. I don’t fully know what I’m talking about. 

[third-times-a-charm]

5 hours ago, Willrobs1 said:

Additionally, I have a question for the expert club builders/anyone who has insight. Since they have the long parallel, mid parallel, and short parallel flexes - would these characteristics make them easier/good candidates to hard step/soft step? 
 

Hope that question makes sense. I don’t fully know what I’m talking about. 

Technically yes because tou can tip trim as much as you want creating the hard or soft step.

[Fresh Greens]

Just got some 125X in today. Looking forward to trying these out asap!

[w1nders]

Wondering what people are doing for a wedge shaft with these? Looking to test hit some when they are available near me, but I’ve recently played DG105 x100 irons with  DG115 wedge shafts or KBS Tour Lite 105x and KBS Tour 120s in wedges so used to the heavier-but-softer wedge shafts. MMT still has the heavier weight class in lighter flex in the iron line but not the scoring wedge line. Typically like to keep roughly same shaft down the line, tried the Tour Lites irons with some S400 wedges and did not get along well. Any thoughts? Overthinking? Build something to test?

[James Cole]

Wondering as well, I normally play 105 on all my irons but 130 Dynamic Gold in my 60…

2 hours ago, w1nders said:

Wondering what people are doing for a wedge shaft with these? Looking to test hit some when they are available near me, but I’ve recently played DG105 x100 irons with  DG115 wedge shafts or KBS Tour Lite 105x and KBS Tour 120s in wedges so used to the heavier-but-softer wedge shafts. MMT still has the heavier weight class in lighter flex in the iron line but not the scoring wedge line. Typically like to keep roughly same shaft down the line, tried the Tour Lites irons with some S400 wedges and did not get along well. Any thoughts? Overthinking? Build something to test?

 

[Pepperturbo]

I been using MMT 105s 113g scoring wedge shafts in Gap & LW.  They fit nicely with MMT 95s in 4i-8i and MMT 125s in 9i-W.

 

MMT 105tx scoring is 117g and MMT 125tx scoring is 130g.  I

[AlohaPineapple]

3 hours ago, w1nders said:

Wondering what people are doing for a wedge shaft with these? Looking to test hit some when they are available near me, but I’ve recently played DG105 x100 irons with  DG115 wedge shafts or KBS Tour Lite 105x and KBS Tour 120s in wedges so used to the heavier-but-softer wedge shafts. MMT still has the heavier weight class in lighter flex in the iron line but not the scoring wedge line. Typically like to keep roughly same shaft down the line, tried the Tour Lites irons with some S400 wedges and did not get along well. Any thoughts? Overthinking? Build something to test?

 

there's the fuji MCI wedge line, which has a 125 option.  been happy with it in my wedges, but can't specifically comment on how it pairs/blends with a set of axiom shafts.

[ajbillings]

@Fujikura Golf Any recommendations for a scoring wedge that blends well with Axiom? I also asked this question on Instagram 🙂 In the other Axiom thread someone who played 125X went 125X 4i-60* and tipped their wedges:

50- 1”

56- .5”

60- 0”

I'd say either that or the MCI Wedge 105/125's, but really depends how you use your wedges. I'm demoing Axiom 125X soon and if they beat out the LA L Series (Switching to graphite due to bad back and have had wrists flair up in the past) I'd either go 125X in wedges or just keep my Modus 115 (122g) in my 55 and 60 since I really like my green masters edition shafts haha. I tested the BGT ZNE's and didn't love them enough for $180-$200. I did like/have good results with the LA WV Wedge shaft and if I end up going L Series that would most likely go into my wedges

[ajbillings]

@phizzy30 I demoed the 125X and I’d say they are super stable and borderline anti-left. Here’s a Trackman dispersion screenshot for a 6i demo club. My 6i club speed is 91-92mph. The ones that ended left I was trying to draw. No snap hooks when I stepped on it (94-95mph) and naturally they wanted to fade a little which I highly prefer anyway. Definitely recommend you check them out. Also hit the LA L Series 120’s which felt/performed really good as well (but different. LA went lower and the Stiff worked better for me than the X)

 

Edited May 11, 2023 by ajbillings

[Willrobs1]

40 minutes ago, ajbillings said:

@phizzy30 I demoed the 125X and I’d say they are super stable and borderline anti-left. Here’s a Trackman dispersion screenshot for a 6i demo club. My 6i club speed is 91-92mph. The ones that ended left I was trying to draw. No snap hooks when I stepped on it (94-95mph) and naturally they wanted to fade a little which I highly prefer anyway. Definitely recommend you check them out. Also hit the LA L Series 120’s which felt/performed really good as well (but different. LA went lower and the Stiff worked better for me than the X)

 

Good stuff here. Did you happen to hit the Stiff as well?

[ajbillings]

I hit the Axiom 105s, 105x, 125x and LA Golf L Series 120 in 4 (Stiff) and 5 (X). I had the most success/best numbers with the Axiom 125X and LA 4’s. This was with my current irons (i230). For the Axiom 105s and 105x they felt/SW too light so I either needed some lead tape on my i230’s or a heavier head like the T100 to make them feel “right” to me. All are good options depending on the fit/your swing

[phizzy30]

9 minutes ago, ajbillings said:

@phizzy30 I demoed the 125X and I’d say they are super stable and borderline anti-left. Here’s a Trackman dispersion screenshot for a 6i demo club. My 6i club speed is 91-92mph. The ones that ended left I was trying to draw. No snap hooks when I stepped on it (94-95mph) and naturally they wanted to fade a little which I highly prefer anyway. Definitely recommend you check them out. Also hit the LA L Series 120’s which felt/performed really good as well (but different. LA went lower and the Stiff worked better for me than the X)

 

Thanks for the feedback.  I was able to test Axiom 125x recently as well and concur.  They seem to be more stable than the MMT and feel smoother as well.  One of my clients who I golf with is sponsored by TM and we went to his CC earlier this week and I hit his P7MC.  Hit about 30 balls and I'm sold.  Now I have to find a way to convince the wife to let me reshaft my irons, lol. 

[shellbmb]

The weight selection for these shafts seems interesting.  You either have a tour weight, 125, or fairly light at 105.  Their website says the 125's are actually 130g.   Does anyone know what the cut weight is?  i've been playing the DG 120 and the MMT 105 TX which are both about 114g after they are trimmed.  Seems Axiom doesn't have a match for that.  

 

Also, for those who have built these, is there enough room in the tip for tip weights?  Or do you have to bore them out a little?

Thanks.

[ericft]

30 minutes ago, shellbmb said:

The weight selection for these shafts seems interesting.  You either have a tour weight, 125, or fairly light at 105.  Their website says the 125's are actually 130g.   Does anyone know what the cut weight is?  i've been playing the DG 120 and the MMT 105 TX which are both about 114g after they are trimmed.  Seems Axiom doesn't have a match for that.  

 

Also, for those who have built these, is there enough room in the tip for tip weights?  Or do you have to bore them out a little?

Thanks.

don't have cut weight per se but I believe Fuji designed these with an internal opening at the tip to allow tip weights for the purpose of swingweighting. The bore does see much bigger than MMT was. 

[Willrobs1]

23 hours ago, ajbillings said:

I hit the Axiom 105s, 105x, 125x and LA Golf L Series 120 in 4 (Stiff) and 5 (X). I had the most success/best numbers with the Axiom 125X and LA 4’s. This was with my current irons (i230). For the Axiom 105s and 105x they felt/SW too light so I either needed some lead tape on my i230’s or a heavier head like the T100 to make them feel “right” to me. All are good options depending on the fit/your swing

Ah yes I forgot the 125g doesn’t come in a stiff flex! Thanks for the feedback. 

[Fresh Greens]

10 hours ago, shellbmb said:

The weight selection for these shafts seems interesting.  You either have a tour weight, 125, or fairly light at 105.  Their website says the 125's are actually 130g.   Does anyone know what the cut weight is?  i've been playing the DG 120 and the MMT 105 TX which are both about 114g after they are trimmed.  Seems Axiom doesn't have a match for that.  

 

Also, for those who have built these, is there enough room in the tip for tip weights?  Or do you have to bore them out a little?

Thanks.

I literally just finished building mine and the tip weights from the link below were too wide. Had some old lead tip weights for graphite shafts that fit fine. Looking forward to trying them out tomo.

 

https://billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweights-for-graphite-shafts/

 

 

[ob1soccer]

anyone directly compare these to Modus 105s

[mws82]

On 5/12/2023 at 8:08 PM, Fresh Greens said:

I literally just finished building mine and the tip weights from the link below were too wide. Had some old lead tip weights for graphite shafts that fit fine. Looking forward to trying them out tomo.

 

https://billybobsgolf.com/product/brass-swingweights-for-graphite-shafts/

 

 

Any updates?