Tour New Graphite Design VF shafts - 2023 3M Open

[phizzy30]

Just now, Gtyler14 said:

You would think but I guess he did go 6x. I’m getting ready to get a 6tx tipped 1 so I’m curious to see what my results may be.

I hope you get along with white board shafts because the the handle for the VF is softer than the Ventus Black. 

[Tommyboi95]

14 minutes ago, Gtyler14 said:

You would think but I guess he did go 6x. I’m getting ready to get a 6tx tipped 1 so I’m curious to see what my results may be.

What shaft are you currently gaming??

[Gtyler14]

20 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

I hope you get along with white board shafts because the the handle for the VF is softer than the Ventus Black. 

I do. Currently play the Kai’li white and almost grabbed a PD. I haven’t driven it better since putting the white back in but the more I read I had to try it. I gamed the OG black 6x/7x and tr black 6x but some reason I just didn’t get along with it in the driver. The og black in the 8x/10tx in my DI I love but driver I hate.

[Gtyler14]

22 minutes ago, Tommyboi95 said:

What shaft are you currently gaming??

Kai’li white 60TX. I would be surprised if I keep the VF and shouldn’t try it since I’m happy with it but the more I read the thread the more I needed to see what everyone was talking about.

[phizzy30]

Just now, Gtyler14 said:

I do. Currently play the Kai’li white and almost grabbed a PD. I haven’t driven it better since putting the white back in but the more I read I had to try it. I gamed the OG black 6x/7x and tr black 6x but some reason I just didn’t get along with it in the driver. The og black in the 8x/10tx in my DI I love but driver I hate.

In that case I think you'll like the VF.  It will probably come down to dispersion and ball speed for you as the VF feels miles smoother than either Kai'li Whiite or PD. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by phizzy30

[jgreer1421]

1 hour ago, phizzy30 said:

I love the way the 1K TPO and VF feel.  Very similar EI profiles as well.  VF seems a touch more stable/anti-left however. 

Think you are right on.

 

Had some fun on a trackman earlier today….VF is definitely a bit more stable and holds up really well…..and I gave it everything I could in some speed training. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by jgreer1421

[Tommyboi95]

15 minutes ago, Gtyler14 said:

Kai’li white 60TX. I would be surprised if I keep the VF and shouldn’t try it since I’m happy with it but the more I read the thread the more I needed to see what everyone was talking about.

I could never get along with Kai’li

[Tommyboi95]

15 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

In that case I think you'll like the VF.  It will probably come down to dispersion and ball speed for you as the VF feels miles smoother than either Kai'li Whiite or PD. 

Phizz, would you say DF or PD for an more apples to apples comparison 

Edited November 30, 2023 by Tommyboi95

[jgreer1421]

@Tommyboi95

 

PD is closer to what you’d find in the rebar section of Home Depot lol.

 

Closer to DF imo, but DF being stiffer. DF at least has some feel. 

[Boydr12]

Have gamed the HZRDUS Smoke Green “OG Hulk” for a few years.  I’m not too well versed in been profiles.  How does this shaft compare to that?

[Avidswampthing66]

Dang it.  I caved and got the VF for Christmas before Tiger craze sets in.  

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, Tommyboi95 said:

Phizz, would you say DF or PD for an more apples to apples comparison 

Similar in terms of launch/spin.  PD feels like rebar.  DF has a little bit of feel. 

[phizzy30]

1 hour ago, Boydr12 said:

Have gamed the HZRDUS Smoke Green “OG Hulk” for a few years.  I’m not too well versed in been profiles.  How does this shaft compare to that?

Hulk has a stiff handle if I remember right.  PX's version of the Ventus Black, IMO.  VF is softer.  A little bit of unloading under the handle where I couldn't feel much of any thing with Hulk in terms of kick.  VF launches a hair higher.  Spin is a wash. 

Edited November 30, 2023 by phizzy30

[Gtyler14]

4 hours ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Dang it.  I caved and got the VF for Christmas before Tiger craze sets in.  

[gbang15]

 been enjoying the 1k pro white for how soft and fast(fastest ball speeds) it feels especially after coming from a ventus black. But, the Vf 6tx 1tip might be perfection for the current tsr head i'm gaming for confidence and performance. can't wait to see everyones results

[Gtyler14]

1 minute ago, gbang15 said:

 been enjoying the 1k pro white for how soft and fast(fastest ball speeds) it feels especially after coming from a ventus black. But, the Vf 6tx 1tip might be perfection for the current tsr head i'm gaming for confidence and performance. can't wait to see everyones results

If I try another shaft after the VF in my tsr3 head it would be the 1k pro white

[gbang15]

5 minutes ago, Gtyler14 said:

If I try another shaft after the VF in my tsr3 head it would be the 1k pro white

highly recommend it for the tsr2/3/4. It's nice to have a shaft that feels easy to load. Unlike, ventus and kaili which are great/super stable/premium, but i always had to worry about loading them. Watching gordon sargents swing on repeat also helped a lot making that decision

Edited November 30, 2023 by gbang15

[Gtyler14]

5 minutes ago, gbang15 said:

highly recommend it for the tsr2/3/4. It's nice to have a shaft that feels easy to load. Unlike, ventus and kaili which are great/super stable/premium, but i always had to worry about loading them. Watching gordon sargents swing on repeat also helped a lot making that decision

Him and cam young using it always had me curious

[gbang15]

1 minute ago, Gtyler14 said:

Him and cam young using it always had me curious

getting off topic but i'd like to add nicolai hojjgard as well. seems as though they're reaching insane ball speeds with 1k. but, tigers in vf so there must be something special in that shaft as well.

[Gtyler14]

46 minutes ago, gbang15 said:

getting off topic but i'd like to add nicolai hojjgard as well. seems as though they're reaching insane ball speeds with 1k. but, tigers in vf so there must be something special in that shaft as well.

We’ll see in a little while and I’m curious to do some testing of it myself

[phizzy30]

3 hours ago, gbang15 said:

 been enjoying the 1k pro white for how soft and fast(fastest ball speeds) it feels especially after coming from a ventus black. But, the Vf 6tx 1tip might be perfection for the current tsr head i'm gaming for confidence and performance. can't wait to see everyones results

Why not go with the 6TX?  I know you and I are similar ball speeds from our previous convos. 

[tripleH]

Understand there are more ways to determine shaft flexes and bend profiles not to mention how the shaft is loaded by the individual but for what it’s worth the CPM’s for the VF6TX is 283, VBlack 6X is 282, and the VBlack TR 6X is 288. 
 

Got a 7x tipped 1/2” which CPM’s at 278 before tipping and it feels like a smoothed out VBlue TR. Tight powerful kick to it which reminds me of 7TX Tensei 1K White but much tighter dispersion. 
 

For what it’s worth my SS is around 113 which is on the slower side. 

[phizzy30]

3 hours ago, Gtyler14 said:

Him and cam young using it always had me curious

Either Rasmus or Nicolai Hojgaard have the 1K PW in their driver and fairways.  Both are 190+ ball speed.  The really long guys seem to love it.  It's a lot easier to load than a PD, 1K Black or Kai'li and feels softer overall.  Positives is that I saw blistering ball speeds and it has some feel, however it was prone to the lefts. 

[phizzy30]

Just now, tripleH said:

Understand there are more ways to determine shaft flexes and bend profiles not to mention how the shaft is loaded by the individual but for what it’s worth the CPM’s for the VF6TX is 283, VBlack 6X is 282, and the VBlack TR 6X is 288. 
 

Got a 7x tipped 1/2” which CPM’s at 278 before tipping and it feels like a smoothed out VBlue TR. Tight powerful kick to it which reminds me of 7TX Tensei 1K White but much tighter dispersion. 
 

For what it’s worth my SS is around 113 which is on the slower side. 

CPM is a good point.  I did mention earlier that the VF is very similar to the TR Blue but way smoother which is another good point.  Not sure I agree with it being like the 1K PW in terms of kick(feel is subjective), but it's way more stable for sure.  I'm sure we'll see a huge surge in sales though after this weekend, lol. 

[drza3]

Any comparisons to the UB? I play a 6tx in UB. It’s great but I’m looking to take out the left a little more. I’m thinking a VF 6x and I’ll loft up to offset the launch 

[BubbaBallesteros]

8 minutes ago, drza3 said:

Any comparisons to the UB? I play a 6tx in UB. It’s great but I’m looking to take out the left a little more. I’m thinking a VF 6x and I’ll loft up to offset the launch 

[knudson81]

23 minutes ago, drza3 said:

Any comparisons to the UB? I play a 6tx in UB. It’s great but I’m looking to take out the left a little more. I’m thinking a VF 6x and I’ll loft up to offset the launch 

 

For me the VF spins considerably lower and launches lower as well. I do think the VF takes away some of the left as the profile is stiffer, especially in the handle portion. The UB was one of my favorite GD shafts, but I might like the VF just a little bit better after using it for a few months.

[Radeon962]

How stiff is the VF tip compared to the Tour AD TP or Ventus TR Blue in the real world and not just by what the charts say?  
 

I played both TP and TR Blue in 6 Stiff untipped.  
 

TR Blue felt better (smoother) but could also get away from me at times if I really went after it. 
 

TP felt a bit firmer at impact and more hollow feeling if that makes sense.

 

SS is between 105-107 with a smooth transition and not much lag (more like Sticker than Sergio) so I have typically had more success with a Stiff flex tipped rather than an X. 

[jgreer1421]

37 minutes ago, Radeon962 said:

How stiff is the VF tip compared to the Tour AD TP or Ventus TR Blue in the real world and not just by what the charts say?  
 

I played both TP and TR Blue in 6 Stiff untipped.  
 

TR Blue felt better (smoother) but could also get away from me at times if I really went after it. 
 

TP felt a bit firmer at impact and more hollow feeling if that makes sense.

 

SS is between 105-107 with a smooth transition and not much lag (more like Sticker than Sergio) so I have typically had more success with a Stiff flex tipped rather than an X. 

I’d put it closer to the Ventus blue from my experience.

 

But I also found the opposite to be true on the Ventus Blue vs TP…..I thought the TP was pretty loose and a noticeable kick.  The Ventus blue smoother and more linear….like the VF….just another case that feel is subjective to us all.

[Lemonde]

Tiger and JT will be having a “VF off” when they both play together today.  I think JT is in a 5X and Tiger in a 6TX?