Scottie Scheffler 2024 sg off the tee

[metaldog]

Apologies if this is in the wrong forum, since I have question about a tour stat of a pro I assume it'll be here...

So last year when Scottie got #1 sg ott it's quite easy to understand from PGA's website chart where he has some good combination of accuracy and distance, but this year I can't seem to contemplate what makes his sg ott #1 when it looks like his distance fell off a bit, or are there some hidden calculations like much fewer penalty strokes, or not hitting into the trees and needing to punch out? 

 

Any insight/enlightment on this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

[RobS]

It's a calculation of how many strokes it takes to hole out from your drive location relative to the field and to the scoring average for the hole.  Hitting it in the rough, trees, bunker or hazard is a factor.  The formula is field average for the hole minus field average from your approach location minus 1.  As an example:

Field avg is 4 for a given hole

You hit your drive in the fairway leaving 100 yards

Field stroke avg to hole out from 100 yards is 2.5

4-2.5-1=  .5 strokes gained

Alternatively, you have only 70 yards left but from trees.  The stroke average to hole out from 70 yards in the trees is 3.5. 4-3.5-1= -.5 strokes gained

[TLUBulldogGolf]

What's interesting is his driving distance all drives distance is longer than his official driving distance stat. It's the opposite for almost everyone typically. 

 

He's pretty long and in the top quarter of accuracy. I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of very negative drives even when he misses the fairway. 

Edited March 20 by TLUBulldogGolf

[canonlbp430]

Most likely a combination of small sample size, a few of his competitors dropping in SG OTT this year (Aberg, Cantlay), and weather within that small sample size factoring into his driving distance.

[Golfnutgalen]

3 hours ago, TLUBulldogGolf said:

What's interesting is his driving distance all drives distance is longer than his official driving distance stat. It's the opposite for almost everyone typically. 

 

He's pretty long and in the top quarter of accuracy. I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of very negative drives even when he misses the fairway. 

 

I saw that too and almost made a topic on it. He's 103rd in distance, but 19th in all drives.

 

I think it's skewed by the sample size. Last year he was 31st in distance and 12th in all drives. At least that one's plausible. To me it shows that he's confident and takes more aggressive lines off each tee than many others. He obviously doesn't hit it into trouble much either which helps. 

 

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, canonlbp430 said:

Most likely a combination of small sample size, a few of his competitors dropping in SG OTT this year (Aberg, Cantlay), and weather within that small sample size factoring into his driving distance.

 

Was coming to say weather and course conditions as a result.  Still coolish most places and damp.

[canonlbp430]

2 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Was coming to say weather and course conditions as a result.  Still coolish most places and damp.

 

I did notice his ball speed is down about 3 mph, which Aberg is as well, while some others are the same as they were last year (Cantlay, Rory, Mitchell) . I'm guessing as we see a larger sample his distance will revert.

[GoGoErky]

2 minutes ago, canonlbp430 said:

 

I did notice his ball speed is down about 3 mph, which Aberg is as well, while some others are the same as they were last year (Cantlay, Rory, Mitchell) . I'm guessing as we see a larger sample his distance will revert.

In the info titleist put out about the ball rollback they noted that swing spped was stagnant for 2019-2021 and declined from 2022-2023, could be that 2024 is just continuing the trend from the previous two years

[canonlbp430]

10 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

In the info titleist put out about the ball rollback they noted that swing spped was stagnant for 2019-2021 and declined from 2022-2023, could be that 2024 is just continuing the trend from the previous two years

 

I think we have to be careful about any studies put together by the manufacturers with regard to the ball rollback since they have a very one sided interest. I haven't seen the study but here are numbers from PGA website for swing speed. This isn't perfect but just something I pulled when I saw your comment.

 

 

Looking further back in '15-16 the average was 112.91 and the 50th ranked was 115.59, which would put you 90th in 2024. 

[Valtiel]

9 hours ago, RobS said:

It's a calculation of how many strokes it takes to hole out from your drive location relative to the field and to the scoring average for the hole.  Hitting it in the rough, trees, bunker or hazard is a factor.  The formula is field average for the hole minus field average from your approach location minus 1.  As an example:

Field avg is 4 for a given hole

You hit your drive in the fairway leaving 100 yards

Field stroke avg to hole out from 100 yards is 2.5

4-2.5-1=  .5 strokes gained

Alternatively, you have only 70 yards left but from trees.  The stroke average to hole out from 70 yards in the trees is 3.5. 4-3.5-1= -.5 strokes gained

Bolded and underlined for emphasis, hah. Scottie finds LOTS of fairways, so even if his distance drops slightly he is still gaining. The small sample size is being further skewed by the last three rounds he played being with a neck strain, so he was down a few ticks off the tee. 

[TLUBulldogGolf]

4 hours ago, Golfnutgalen said:

 

I saw that too and almost made a topic on it. He's 103rd in distance, but 19th in all drives.

 

I think it's skewed by the sample size. Last year he was 31st in distance and 12th in all drives. At least that one's plausible. To me it shows that he's confident and takes more aggressive lines off each tee than many others. He obviously doesn't hit it into trouble much either which helps. 

 

 

He is 3rd in distance from the edge of fairway, tied with Morikawa, so it would seem he's not missing by much when he does. 

[RobS]

24 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

Bolded and underlined for emphasis, hah. Scottie finds LOTS of fairways, so even if his distance drops slightly he is still gaining. The small sample size is being further skewed by the last three rounds he played being with a neck strain, so he was down a few ticks off the tee. 

Yep! He led the Players in driving accuracy at like 80%.  Also, when he misses, with any shot tee to green, he rarely misses big.  You're probably right about the neck and his distance as I think he's been steady in that 20th-30th range in distance since he's been on tour.  

[metaldog]

Thanks guys! Didn’t understand the all drives part, but what’s the distance from edge of fairway? I tried googling that and wasn’t very successful finding what it is, smaller the number seems to be higher ranked

[Shilgy]

4 hours ago, canonlbp430 said:

 

I think we have to be careful about any studies put together by the manufacturers with regard to the ball rollback since they have a very one sided interest. I haven't seen the study but here are numbers from PGA website for swing speed. This isn't perfect but just something I pulled when I saw your comment.

 

 

Looking further back in '15-16 the average was 112.91 and the 50th ranked was 115.59, which would put you 90th in 2024. 

Not a surprise…the field is going up faster than the top.  Guys like Furyk get replaced by players like Aberg.

[mosesgolf]

Scotty just might be the guy when many of us wondered what would happen if Tiger hit more fairways lol.  

[Tasals]

13 hours ago, Golfnutgalen said:

 

I saw that too and almost made a topic on it. He's 103rd in distance, but 19th in all drives.

 

I think it's skewed by the sample size. Last year he was 31st in distance and 12th in all drives. At least that one's plausible. To me it shows that he's confident and takes more aggressive lines off each tee than many others. He obviously doesn't hit it into trouble much either which helps. 

 

he has been saying his neck is injured, and he feels like hes just slapping it around out there. Could be the injury.

[Justsomeguy]

On 3/20/2024 at 8:31 PM, mosesgolf said:

Scotty just might be the guy when many of us wondered what would happen if Tiger hit more fairways lol.  

Tiger's putting was one iota off of clairvoyant. Scottie a great 2 putter, but can't seem to get the same 1 putt magic. Luckily for everyone else.

His approach game is sick too. Definitely Tigeresque there. The 200 yard approaches that are always within 20 feet just kill the other guys.

[iBanesto]

On 3/20/2024 at 10:05 PM, RobS said:

It's a calculation of how many strokes it takes to hole out from your drive location relative to the field and to the scoring average for the hole.  Hitting it in the rough, trees, bunker or hazard is a factor.  The formula is field average for the hole minus field average from your approach location minus 1.  As an example:

Field avg is 4 for a given hole

You hit your drive in the fairway leaving 100 yards

Field stroke avg to hole out from 100 yards is 2.5

4-2.5-1=  .5 strokes gained

Alternatively, you have only 70 yards left but from trees.  The stroke average to hole out from 70 yards in the trees is 3.5. 4-3.5-1= -.5 strokes gained

 

Thanks for this post.

 

I actually learnt something.

 

[Zach.buckler23]

Scottie is the man. Dude is lethal tee to green 

[tatertot]

According to the TV guys, Scottie is averaging 104.5 shots gained a round when you add everything up ... So he's got that going for him.

 

TV guys also say he's the best since Tiger. Only this time they mean it. Not like when they said it about all those other guys.