US Open 2024 (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[Archimedes65]

8 minutes ago, Duct Tape said:

All of a sudden Spieth is not that far out of it. Where did that come from?

 

Is it just me or does his swing look really loose?  Like his club is just flopping/lagging at the top when he transitions.  I could never feel the clubface doing that.

[KennyP]

Kudos to Sam Bairstow, after a horrible 84 yesterday he's currently -3 through 13 today.

[bcflyguy1]

2 minutes ago, Birdman62 said:

SS has psyched himself out on these greens.

Agree, he looks VERY uncomfortable; so odd to see that from him.

[Archimedes65]

7 minutes ago, FootWedge16 said:

 

Why? Then they are just playing out of fairway bunkers all day and there is no penalty for missing the fairway. 

 

It’s not a matter of difficulty, it’s a matter of randomness.  Two guys can hit almost exactly the same miss.  One has an easy recovery, the other is unplayable.  I can’t see how that’s a good design element of a golf course.

[cassel191919]

1 minute ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

It’s not a matter of difficulty, it’s a matter of randomness.  Two guys can hit almost exactly the same miss.  One has an easy recovery, the other is unplayable.  I can’t see how that’s a good design element of a golf course.

its called a hazard for a reason

[Ronnie Mundt]

2 minutes ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

It’s not a matter of difficulty, it’s a matter of randomness.  Two guys can hit almost exactly the same miss.  One has an easy recovery, the other is unplayable.  I can’t see how that’s a good design element of a golf course.

 

Isn’t that just called “golf”?

[Nard_S]

love the native rough aspect, best course setup in years, imo. 

[Archimedes65]

4 minutes ago, cassel191919 said:

its called a hazard for a reason

 

But it’s not a typical hazard; and it’s everywhere.  There aren’t many courses where you can easily have an unplayable lie three feet from the fairway’s edge.  That said, the fairways are pretty wide, so guys missing these fairways a lot probably deserve whatever they get.

 

It’s not a matter of having native grasses or not.  It’s the volume of it.  This course takes it way over the top.

 

 

Edited June 14 by Archimedes65

[Golfnutgalen]

These greens are firm now as they should be. Makes me worry about Tiger's potential score...

[cassel191919]

1 minute ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

But it’s not a typical hazard; and it’s everywhere.  There aren’t many courses where you can easily have an unplayable lie three feet from the fairway’s edge.  That said, the fairways are pretty wide, so guys missing these fairways a lot probably deserve whatever they get.

 

It’s not a matter of having native grasses or not.  It’s the volume of it.  This course takes it way over the top.

 

 

Hit the fairway they are plenty wide

[fowlerscousin]

This round for bryson is payback for all the times he calls his irons, "grinds"

Edited June 14 by fowlerscousin

[Duct Tape]

3 minutes ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

But it’s not a typical hazard; and it’s everywhere.  There aren’t many courses where you can easily have an unplayable lie three feet from the fairway’s edge.  That said, the fairways are pretty wide, so guys missing these fairways a lot probably deserve whatever they get.

 

It’s not a matter of having native grasses or not.  It’s the volume of it.  This course takes it way over the top.

 

 

It’s like my pro told me when I complained about some new bunkers - “Duct, don’t hit it there”. 
 

🤓😀

[AThompson_3]

8 minutes ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

It’s not a matter of difficulty, it’s a matter of randomness.  Two guys can hit almost exactly the same miss.  One has an easy recovery, the other is unplayable.  I can’t see how that’s a good design element of a golf course.

Why is it so hard to understand for people? Hit it in a different spot, take spin off, add spin, hit it higher, hit it lower. None of these are random. If your ball didn't end up where you wanted it to, you didn't hit the shot the hole required. Period. No 2 shots are ever identical. It's not unfair and it's not random. It's golf.

[Golfnutgalen]

3 minutes ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

But it’s not a typical hazard; and it’s everywhere.  There aren’t many courses where you can easily have an unplayable lie three feet from the fairway’s edge.  That said, the fairways are pretty wide, so guys missing these fairways a lot probably deserve whatever they get.

 

It’s not a matter of having native grasses or not.  It’s the volume of it.  This course takes it way over the top.

 

 

 

It's fun to watch for us, but I agree with your premise.

 

The field is hitting 67% of the fairways (so far) and when you miss them it's basically in the lap of the gods whether you have a shot or not. Basically, more luck is in the equation much like some British Opens. 

[bcjim]

Rory could 8 under easy with any luck. 

[Oostiesalbacore]

21 minutes ago, wfrogge1 said:

Should he apply lead tape and if so where?

Considering his footwork, the bottom of his shoes

[Dave230]

Rory is driving magnificently, so well on a tough set-up that you can't imagine he will be any more than 2-3 shots away by the Sunday evening. And I think the way he putts is okay on fast greens, he's a decent lag putter and 25 feet to 2 feet for par often does the job in US Opens.

 

But I just don't trust the consistency of his wedges and short irons to win this thing, could see him miss a few greens when the pressure is on.

[subrew]

28 minutes ago, KennyP said:

Might be able to double that come the end play.

 

IIRC, the Women's US Open cut went from like +4 to +8 by the end of Friday.  Even right down to one of the last players missing a putt, moving it from +7 to +8 and letting in half a dozen players.     

[Duct Tape]

6 minutes ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

But it’s not a typical hazard; and it’s everywhere.  There aren’t many courses where you can easily have an unplayable lie three feet from the fairway’s edge.  That said, the fairways are pretty wide, so guys missing these fairways a lot probably deserve whatever they get.

 

It’s not a matter of having native grasses or not.  It’s the volume of it.  This course takes it way over the top.

 

 

Besides loving the look of the native brown and sand, the native grass is actually more fair or at least exciting than the typical 6-8” Oakmont or Winged Foot rough. There a player uniformly has no shot other than a sand wedge out. 
 

Here, sometimes a lucky lie results, or better yet, a semi-good lie tempting the pro to go for it!  
 

 

[Birdman62]

Gaaah Scottie...😣

[StoutKing]

15 minutes ago, Archimedes65 said:

 

It’s not a matter of difficulty, it’s a matter of randomness.  Two guys can hit almost exactly the same miss.  One has an easy recovery, the other is unplayable.  I can’t see how that’s a good design element of a golf course.

Have you played The Old Course?  It's a matter or inches with the contour that creates drastically different outcomes.

[Oostiesalbacore]

13 minutes ago, Ronnie Mundt said:

 

Isn’t that just called “golf”?

It’s really not fair how sometimes the wind gets gusty for some guys but not others. 

[Duct Tape]

New term for the day!

 

”Wire grass” has taken over for native areas. 

[Archimedes65]

1 minute ago, AThompson_3 said:

Why is it so hard to understand for people? Hit it in a different spot, take spin off, add spin, hit it higher, hit it lower. None of these are random. If your ball didn't end up where you wanted it to, you didn't hit the shot the hole required. Period. No 2 shots are ever identical. It's not unfair and it's not random. It's golf.

 

So if they put evenly spaced holes our there in the rough where half the balls stayed on hard dirt and the other half fell through a hole and ran back to the teebox, you’d be okay with that level of randomness in a round of golf?

 

You understand that there are degrees of randomness that can be introduced into a golf course from minor to ridiculous, right?

 

This course introduces very high degree of randomness, both in the rough and the greens, relative to other courses.  That’s all I was saying.  And yes, to a point, that’s golf.  To a point.  I love steep penalties for missing fairways (and would love it if the native grass was everywhere in the rough), but not as big a fan of the rough and greens being Russian roulette.  It’s great to watch for entertainment value though.

[StoutKing]

Just now, Archimedes65 said:

 

So if they put evenly spaced holes our there in the rough where half the balls stayed on hard dirt and the other half fell through a hole and ran back to the teebox, you’d be okay with that level of randomness in a round of golf?

 

You understand that there are degrees of randomness that can be introduced into a golf course from minor to ridiculous, right?

 

This course introduces very high degree of randomness, both in the rough and the greens, relative to other courses.  That’s all I was saying.  And yes, to a point, that’s golf.  To a point.  I love steep penalties for missing fairways (and would love it if the native grass was everywhere in the rough), but not as big a fan of the rough and greens being Russian roulette.  It’s great to watch for entertainment value though.

Point taken.  The randomness is why I like this type of native area.  It's a fun 300 yard walk with anticipation to see what you get.  Plus more skilled guys can pull off the shots easier.  I prefer it to boring rough.

[Titleist99]

25 minutes ago, wfrogge1 said:

Should he apply lead tape and if so where?

He needs lead tape under his chin..... He's definitely out of kilter.🙂

 

What would make a golfer get scalped during a major tournament? (rhetorical)🤣

[bcjim]

I don't have too much issue with the grasses but if they're "native" why would more need to be added?  And, it's visually unappealing,  imo, relative to more sand and less plants.  

[StoutKing]

If people weren't complaining it wouldn't be a US Open.  I take that as a positive on course setup.

[jimecherry]

3 minutes ago, bcjim said:

I don't have too much issue with the grasses but if they're "native" why would more need to be added?  And, it's visually unappealing,  imo, relative to more sand and less plants.  

It's not actually native the grass that was originally there was simular but removed a long time ago. 

[Pops99]

1 hour ago, Archimedes65 said:

I really don’t miss seeing Tyrell Hatton’s whining and carrying on.  He’s back in our lives for one day and he’s already wildly gesticulating when he misses short putts, as if the earth moved and threw his perfect putt off line.  What a tool.  

 

 

And the announcers LOVE him. I don't get that at all. Guy is a gigantic man-baby.