Casio camera thread

[TheNatural72]

I did not do a lot of research, but I just bought a Casio, FS10 for 130 bucks new. Did I make a mistake? I think there were a few different ones that were only slightly higher in price. Any info?

Oh yea, I will need to buy a memory card. I am really not too knowledgeable on this stuff. If I use high speed to video my swing, what type of memory Card should I buy?

I see something like 6 class and 10 class, and 8 mb 4 mb and so on.. any help is appreciated.

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='TheNatural72' timestamp='1304051462' post='3195310']
I did not do a lot of research, but I just bought a Casio, FS10 for 130 bucks new. Did I make a mistake? I think there were a few different ones that were only slightly higher in price. Any info?

Oh yea, I will need to buy a memory card. I am really not too knowledgeable on this stuff. If I use high speed to video my swing, what type of memory Card should I buy?

I see something like 6 class and 10 class, and 8 mb 4 mb and so on.. any help is appreciated.
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Cameras with full manual control of the shutter speed allow smaller exposure times for each frame (of the 240 frames per second recorded, for example). The faster the shutter speed the smaller the motion blur. FH 100, FH25 are 2 that have manual control. The new Casio ZR100 apparently? does not. The user's manual for the ZR100 seems to be difficult to find as of April 2011 according to the Casio Forum on dpreview.

MOTION BLUR = SHUTTER SPEED X OBJECT VELOCITY

According to the thread below on dpreview the FC10 has AUTO control for the shutter speed for high speed video. You might be able to check this information by downloading the full manual for the FC10 on the Casio support website. For AUTO the shutter speed will be unknown and [i]probably[/i] longer than necessary, = more motion blur.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1015&message=38171639

Probably a class 6 card with 8 or 16 Gb card would do or to be certain check the user's manual.

[nevets88]

My FC100 is making some ugly clicking noises as the lens opens and refuses to stay open. Is it hosed? Any recommendations before I send it to Casio? It isn't under warrantee anymore.

[scifisicko]

Being able to set the manual shutter speed is really important. We use an exf1 to analyze putting stroke and when the ball stops skidding and starts rolling. To do this properly indoors or in less than bright sunshine you need to be able to adjust the shutter speed. In full light you crank up the shutter speed to max and get incredible detail. However even in the brightest light the frames look like they were shot at dusk. If you can't adjust the shutter speed manually you can't shoot in average light at high speed.

[dap]

For the card,you want to get at least a class 10,the reason being if the card is too slow,it will not write onto it fast enough and sometimes you will have dropped frames which is really annoying.

The FC150 is going for something like $170.00 so this would be the minimum I would go for as it is probably the cheapest high speed camera will full manual control.

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='dap' timestamp='1304082724' post='3195715']
The FC150 is going for something like $170.00 so this would be the minimum I would go for as it is probably the cheapest high speed camera will full manual control.
[/quote]

Dap, Do own a FC150?

I don't know the specs on all these cameras and have been wrong before reading spec sheets. Recommend double checking the specs on the FC150.

[url="http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1015&message=38171639"]http://forums.dprevi...essage=38171639[/url]

quoting one person's opinion -

[i]"The FC100, FS10, FC150 only support auto exposure in all video modes. [/i] [i] So if the manual says Auto exposure only in video, it may [b]not[/b] be referring to high speed mode (where manual/shutter/aperture priority mode [b]may[/b] be supported).[/i]

[i] I'm surprised if the ZR100 really doesn't support manual mode in HS video. Isn't it the replacement model for the FH100?"[/i]

[b]FH100 [/b]The FH100 has dropped to below $200 and has manual shutter.


[b]ZR100 [/b] Hardly anyone can find a manual for the new ZR100. Somebody who found one in Chinese said that it does not have manual control for high speed video. Anybody have a ZR100 and can tell us for sure?

[Chas Tennis]

[b]
Free Kinovea Software for Sports Video Analysis[/b]

I recently started using Kinovea analysis software for side-by-side comparison of my tennis strokes. Kinovea is a free open-source software:

* side-by-side comparison of videos
* add notes to videos
* add lines, reference points, angle measurements, etc
* identify important frames in stroke sequence
* and many more features

[url="http://www.kinovea.org/en/"]http://www.kinovea.org/en/[/url]

For my older XP computer - After I downloaded Kinovea I had to also download from Microsoft both [i].NET Framework 4[/i] and the earlier [i]NET 2.0[/i] as discussed in a Kinovea Forum thread:

[url="http://www.kinovea.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?id=250"]http://www.kinovea.o...opic.php?id=250[/url]

I have not used video sports analysis software before and find that Kinovea does a lot of what I was after: comparison of two videos side-by-side, place lines & markers, add notes & labels, measure angles, and more. Tracking a tennis ball has been problematic so far.

[dap]

[quote name='Chas Tennis' timestamp='1304114857' post='3196883']
[quote name='dap' timestamp='1304082724' post='3195715']
The FC150 is going for something like $170.00 so this would be the minimum I would go for as it is probably the cheapest high speed camera will full manual control.
[/quote]

Dap, Do own a FC150?

I don't know the specs on all these cameras and have been wrong before reading spec sheets. Recommend double checking the specs on the FC150.

[url="http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1015&message=38171639"]http://forums.dprevi...essage=38171639[/url]

quoting one person's opinion -

[i]"The FC100, FS10, FC150 only support auto exposure in all video modes. [/i] [i] So if the manual says Auto exposure only in video, it may [b]not[/b] be referring to high speed mode (where manual/shutter/aperture priority mode [b]may[/b] be supported).[/i]

[i] I'm surprised if the ZR100 really doesn't support manual mode in HS video. Isn't it the replacement model for the FH100?"[/i]

[b]FH100 [/b]The FH100 has dropped to below $200 and has manual shutter.


[b]ZR100 [/b] Hardly anyone can find a manual for the new ZR100. Somebody who found one in Chinese said that it does not have manual control for high speed video. Anybody have a ZR100 and can tell us for sure?
[/quote]
I do own an FC150.That quote is incorrect.

It has full manual control of exposure in both picture and video mode.

It has a maximum shutter speed of only 1/1000th sec though.If you require a faster shutter speed then consider the FH100(1/2000th) or the FH25(1/40,000 th).

[dap]

Casio website says the ZR100 has full manual exposure.The ZR10 does not.

[gmbtempe]

[quote name='nevets88' timestamp='1304071398' post='3195561']
My FC100 is making some ugly clicking noises as the lens opens and refuses to stay open. Is it hosed? Any recommendations before I send it to Casio? It isn't under warrantee anymore.
[/quote]

mine does the same thing after dropping it, the noises part but it still works after it says lens error.

Might cost more to fix than a new one.

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='dap' timestamp='1304129217' post='3197264']
[quote name='Chas Tennis' timestamp='1304114857' post='3196883']
[quote name='dap' timestamp='1304082724' post='3195715']
The FC150 is going for something like $170.00 so this would be the minimum I would go for as it is probably the cheapest high speed camera will full manual control.
[/quote]

Dap, Do own a FC150?
I don't know the specs on all these cameras and have been wrong before reading spec sheets. Recommend double checking the specs on the FC150.
[url="http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1015&message=38171639"]http://forums.dprevi...essage=38171639[/url]
quoting one person's opinion -
[i]"The FC100, FS10, FC150 only support auto exposure in all video modes. [/i] [i]
So if the manual says Auto exposure only in video, it may [b]not[/b] be referring to high speed mode (where manual/shutter/aperture priority mode [b]may[/b] be supported).[/i]
[i]I'm surprised if the ZR100 really doesn't support manual mode in HS video. Isn't it the replacement model for the FH100?"[/i]

[b]FH100 [/b]The FH100 has dropped to below $200 and has manual shutter.
[b]ZR100 [/b] Hardly anyone can find a manual for the new ZR100. Somebody who found one in Chinese said that it does not have manual control for high speed video. Anybody have a ZR100 and can tell us for sure?
[/quote]

I do own an FC150.That quote is incorrect.

It has full manual control of exposure in both picture and video mode.

It has a maximum shutter speed of only 1/1000th sec though.If you require a faster shutter speed then consider the [i][b]FH100(1/2000th)[/b][/i] or the FH25(1/40,000 th).
[/quote]

The shutter speed that you quote for the FH100 is not correct. In MANUAL, the display shows two separate shutter speeds, one for stills and one for video. The fastest displayed are :
Stills: 1/2000s
HD & STD Video: 1/10,000s (I have not used this mode yet)
High Speed Video: [b]1/40,000s [/b]

It's confusing that some of the specs sheets just list the still shutter speed. I made that same mistake looking up specs for the FH25 earlier in this thread - corrected. The downloadable user's manuals have fuller descriptions.

More to the point, for the FC150 1/1000s is much too slow to avoid motion blur.

As discussed in some earlier threads a 100 MPH golf club head moves at 1760 inches per second.

MOTION BLUR = OBJECT VELOCITY X SHUTTER SPEED
MOTION BLUR = 1760 IN/S X 1/1000s
MOTION BLUR = 1.76 IN

That amount of blur might be usable for seeing larger body parts but the shaft and club head would be very blurred. Shutter speeds of 1/10000s or higher are much better.

MOTION BLUR X 1760 IN/S X 1/10,000s
MOTION BLUR = 0.2 IN

[dap]

Yes,you would see a bit of motion blur with 1/1000s but for all intents and purposes it's good enough for swing analysis.These cameras don't have big lens and sensors and you would need full sunlight to use anything over 1/1000s.You need a lot of light to even use 1/1000th s.

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='dap' timestamp='1304221316' post='3198972']
Yes,you would see a bit of motion blur with 1/1000s but for all intents and purposes it's good enough for swing analysis.These cameras don't have big lens and sensors and you would need full sunlight to use anything over 1/1000s.You need a lot of light to even use 1/1000th s.
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I don't know about the FC150 or the other Casio cameras. ?

For the FH100, my experience:

[b]Bright sunlight: [/b] Shutter speed faster than 1/10,000s and ISO [b]Manually set to 1600[/b] - do not leave on AUTO - can produce bright high speed videos.
[b]Average Overcast: [/b]1/10,000s and ISO manually set to 1600 or 3200 will produce good high speed videos.
[b]Indoor Lighting:[/b] 1/800s and ISO manually set to 3200 will produce dark but usable high speed videos.

You must set the ISO manually and not leave it on AUTO as I discussed in other threads in this forum. Like #553 this thread -

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/250245-casio-camera-thread/page__st__510__p__2882447#entry2882447

[dap]

[quote name='Chas Tennis' timestamp='1304259949' post='3199552']
[quote name='dap' timestamp='1304221316' post='3198972']
Yes,you would see a bit of motion blur with 1/1000s but for all intents and purposes it's good enough for swing analysis.These cameras don't have big lens and sensors and you would need full sunlight to use anything over 1/1000s.You need a lot of light to even use 1/1000th s.
[/quote]

I don't know about the FC150 or the other Casio cameras. ?

For the FH100, my experience:

[b]Bright sunlight: [/b] Shutter speed faster than 1/10,000s and ISO [b]Manually set to 1600[/b] - do not leave on AUTO - can produce bright high speed videos.
[b]Average Overcast: [/b]1/10,000s and ISO manually set to 1600 or 3200 will produce good high speed videos.
[b]Indoor Lighting:[/b] 1/800s and ISO manually set to 3200 will produce dark but usable high speed videos.

You must set the ISO manually and not leave it on AUTO as I discussed in other threads in this forum. Like #553 this thread -

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/250245-casio-camera-thread/page__st__510__p__2882447#entry2882447
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I suppose it comes down to personal preference.I think using anything over 1600 ISO is going to result in brighter videos but at the expense of noise.Videos will look grainy.

The FH100 uses the same sensor as the FC150 but probably has a better lens.Indoor lighting set 1/800th and ISO 3200 produces very dark video that is near useless on the FC150.

[nevets88]

Casio wants $150 to fix a P&S FC100 lens won't stay open problem.

Should I:

1- Fix it, $150 w/limited 1 year warranty.

2- Take option to upgrade to reconditioned FH100 @ $180.

3- Buy new FH100 from Amazon @ $200.

[vinny809]

[quote name='nevets88' timestamp='1304281614' post='3200197']
Casio wants $150 to fix a P&S FC100 lens won't stay open problem.

Should I:

1- Fix it, $150 w/limited 1 year warranty.

2- Take option to upgrade to reconditioned FH100 @ $180.

3- Buy new FH100 from Amazon @ $200.
[/quote]


Take the upgrade to a reconditioned FH100 for $30 more (if it has warranty)

[nevets88]

[quote name='vinny809' timestamp='1304282208' post='3200222']
[quote name='nevets88' timestamp='1304281614' post='3200197']
Casio wants $150 to fix a P&S FC100 lens won't stay open problem.

Should I:

1- Fix it, $150 w/limited 1 year warranty.

2- Take option to upgrade to reconditioned FH100 @ $180.

3- Buy new FH100 from Amazon @ $200.
[/quote]


Take the upgrade to a reconditioned FH100 for $30 more (if it has warranty)
[/quote]

Thanks. The reconditioned actually has the 1 year limited warranty, not the fix, my mistake.

Just curious, how many people have their Casio die on them?

[TheNatural72]

Well,
I got my FS-10 in the mail. I will definitely agree that the Battery in the Casio FS-10 does not last long. I will also agree that you need a lot of Sunlight to have success.

Here is a video i took at 210 fps. The quality of the video was much better before I Uploaded it You tube. I am not sure what I need to do to make it upload better.. Overall I am happy with the Slow mo, but the rest of the camera is just so-so. Def not an all around great camera, but the SLow mo is worth the 130 bucks I spent on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNu5cZXww-I

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='TheNatural72' timestamp='1305004127' post='3221145']
Well,
I got my FS-10 in the mail. I will definitely agree that the Battery in the Casio FS-10 does not last long. I will also agree that you need a lot of Sunlight to have success.

Here is a video i took at 210 fps. The quality of the video was much better before I Uploaded it You tube. I am not sure what I need to do to make it upload better.. Overall I am happy with the Slow mo, but the rest of the camera is just so-so. Def not an all around great camera, but the SLow mo is worth the 130 bucks I spent on it.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNu5cZXww-I"]http://www.youtube.c...h?v=wNu5cZXww-I[/url]
[/quote]

That video looks very good. You will get a lot of new information for analysis of your strokes.

The [i]motion blur[/i] issues that were discussed in the earlier replies would show more in the view from the side, where the relative motion of the golf club across the video frame is the greatest.

Could you also post a video taken from the side?

[johnnybogey]

Been looking into purchasing either an FH100 or ZR100.

Came across this review:

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SNut_kshlYM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Kinda leaning towards getting the FH100 but the ZR100 is actually $10.00 cheaper than the FH100 at B&H Photo right now.

Can anyone with the ZR100 chime in?

Thanks.

Found another review confirming Dave's findings.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8U6y0iw3uY8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[hoganfan924]

[quote name='johnnybogey' timestamp='1305337852' post='3232221']
Been looking into purchasing either an FH100 or ZR100.

Came across this review:

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/SNut_kshlYM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Kinda leaning towards getting the FH100 but the ZR100 is actually $10.00 cheaper than the FH100 at B&H Photo right now.

Can anyone with the ZR100 chime in?

Thanks.

Found another review confirming Dave's findings.

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/8U6y0iw3uY8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
[/quote]

All the research that I did led me to the exact same conclusion. In addition, the FH100 will film at 120 fps at a much higher resolution than the ZR100 at it's slowest high speed rate (240 fps). 120 is really all you need for golf swing analysis. The only advantage with the ZR100 is for the camera art feature for still photo's. Extremely pleased with my FH100 and it only cost me $195 on EBAY.

[dap]

Casio does not have the monopoly on high speed cameras anymore.They appear to have phased out the FH25 but the Fujifilm HS10 is just as good or even better.It offers 60,120,240,480,1000 fps and picture quality is decent.You can get a good deal on it since it has been replaced by the HS20.The HS20 offers the same high speed modes but has a 16mp sensor instead of the 10mp in the HS10.Some reviewers actually prefer the 10mp sensor as it performs better in low light.The mode I really like in the HS10 is the 60 fps at 720p resolution which the Casio's don't have.

[IM_ALL_IN]

I'm having problems with stuttering HD video playback on the fh-100. High speed modes work perfectly.

I have a class 6 and 10 and both do the same while viewing on my computer in quicktime. I am able to pause the video and go frame by frame, but smooth playback seems impossible. Has anybody else experienced this?

I have an xps 1530. Core 2 duo T9300 2.5ghz, 3 gb ram and running vista 32bit.

[swing981]

best camera for the money please..want to rake some video

[hoganfan924]

[quote name='swing981' timestamp='1306098428' post='3254224']
best camera for the money please..want to rake some video
[/quote]

The Casio FH-100 is a fantastic camera for the money. Got mine for $195 new on Ebay. Has full manual mode, 120 and 240 fps (all you need) and a 3" screen. Editing in the camera and the controls are very easy and intuitive to use, especially if you've had an earlier Casio model. Plus it's a pocket sized camera with 10Mpixel and 10X optical zoom. I couldn't be happier with it.

[Cmartingolf]

Any Wrx'ers notice the image goes blurry once you start recording?? It looks sharp when framing up the student, then once and awhile, the recording blurs? Any insights? Thanks.

[hoganfan924]

[quote name='Cmartingolf' timestamp='1306103461' post='3254362']
Any Wrx'ers notice the image goes blurry once you start recording?? It looks sharp when framing up the student, then once and awhile, the recording blurs? Any insights? Thanks.
[/quote]

Is it really blurry or just grainy? When you set up with too fast of a shutter speed for the lighting conditions, the screen will get dark and grainy once you start recording. I have had the blurry problem before but usually it has been when I was hand holding the camera and had it pointed down at the ground before raising it to record. Didn't give enough time to refocus.

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='IM_ALL_IN' timestamp='1306093879' post='3254123']
I'm having problems with stuttering HD video playback on the fh-100. High speed modes work perfectly.

I have a class 6 and 10 and both do the same while viewing on my computer in quicktime. I am able to pause the video and go frame by frame, but smooth playback seems impossible. Has anybody else experienced this?

I have an xps 1530. Core 2 duo T9300 2.5ghz, 3 gb ram and running vista 32bit.
[/quote]

Does the video play back OK when the camera is connected to your TV?

My FH100 user's manual, pg 147, has computer specs for playing Movies.

CPU - Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz or higher

You computer is slower than the requirement. Pg 147 has a few fixes also. It might help if you closed down all unnecessary programs. I think the manual is on a CD with the new camera or you can download from Casio support.

My 533 Mhz computer does fine for frame-by-frame but I cannot play a HD video, it skips frames. For frame-by-frame analysis of high speed movies I use Quicktime and drag the pointer to the frame of interest. I also use Kinovea for side-by-side comparison of videos. Kinovea is a free open source video analysis program.

There are discussions of similar playback issues in the Casio Forum of dpreview. For example, [url="http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1015&message=38260891"]http://forums.dprevi...essage=38260891[/url]

[Chas Tennis]

[quote name='Cmartingolf' timestamp='1306103461' post='3254362']
Any Wrx'ers notice the image goes blurry once you start recording?? It looks sharp when framing up the student, then once and awhile, the recording blurs? Any insights? Thanks.
[/quote]
I have been using only manual focus and it seems to work OK so far. Also in manual focus there is a bar that shows the distance on which the camera is focused. It might be instructive to do some manual focusing and to look at what the bar shows.

I believe the camera AUTO focuses when the still shutter button is pushed half down. Focus does not change during video recording.

[IM_ALL_IN]

[quote name='Chas Tennis' timestamp='1306114243' post='3254771']
Does the video play back OK when the camera is connected to your TV?

My FH100 user's manual, pg 147, has computer specs for playing Movies.

CPU - Pentium 4 3.2 Ghz or higher

You computer is slower than the requirement. Pg 147 has a few fixes also. It might help if you closed down all unnecessary programs. I think the manual is on a CD with the new camera or you can download from Casio support.

My 533 Mhz computer does fine for frame-by-frame but I cannot play a HD video, it skips frames. For frame-by-frame analysis of high speed movies I use Quicktime and drag the pointer to the frame of interest. I also use Kinovea for side-by-side comparison of videos. Kinovea is a free open source video analysis program.

There are discussions of similar playback issues in the Casio Forum of dpreview. For example, [url="http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1015&message=38260891"]http://forums.dprevi...essage=38260891[/url]
[/quote]


Thanks for replying. I have not tried hooking it up to the TV-I'm actually gonna try that tonight. Does Kinovea improve playback at all? I found a few tips [url="http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17288/%7E/why-does-my-video-playback-stutter-on-some-systems-with-some-applications,-but"]HERE[/url] that may prove helpful. I tried reducing the size of the video window during playback and it seemed to help initially, but that eventually failed. Messing with the playback speed in quicktime>window>show a/v controls seems to help as well. Just move it ever so slightly slower or faster than 1x.

The requirements are pent 4 3.2 or higher, but I think the core duo 2.5 is actually more powerful. It should have plenty of horsepower to play this file smoothly.

The sound card could be a possible culprit now that I looked into it further.