Left hand low commitment

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OK, we all have done it. Trying to find the perfect putter grip to make every single putt like magic.



Ive putt all my short life of 28 years with a conventional grip. Never been a great putter, but on lag putt, i was hard to beat.



Last fall, i dedicate myself to the putting part and did a full fitting to know my specs, and contract lajosi to build the perfect flat stick. Also i found out that i was using a too small putter grip (ping black) and found better results with a superstroke slimfit 2.0.



Received my putter in february and dedicate my self to try the left hand low ( we all done it after the spieth domination last year on the green). What i found is that i have a more control backswing and follow through. The putt were on line when i was praticing on my birdie ball putting foam.



The season started a month ago with unperfect green and even if i was strugling with distance control, i really stand by the left hand low.



But heres the dilemma.



When i putt with a conventional grip, i ALWAYS found the sweet spot and my distance is better than average considering the short season so far. But the backswing tempo is not perfect and teh putt dont always start on the intended line cause of the backswing. When i putt LHL, the swing tempo is awesome and controlled. The putt start on the line and find the hole more often. But i have lost the TOUCH. My distance are off. Sometimes i have a 6 foot, and i end up benn 6 foot past the hole.



For those who have tried different putting style, when or where you knew it was the right one? Im comfortable with both and having a hard time commit to one because each has his downside.



Thank you for any advice, past experience or tips you would like to share.



Have a great season



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  • bmjaco2bmjaco2 Members Posts: 226 ✭✭✭
    I just recently switched to left hand low on any putts with minimal/marginal break inside ~20ft. For me, it is hard to hit a putt off line with this grip, but distance control suffers. For that reason, I stick with my regular grip for longer putts or significant breakers. It is working out great so far.
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  • C-radC-rad Members Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah i thought about having two grip style but, im not sure it is good. Prefer to stick with one to master it!
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  • WarrickWarrick ClubWRX Posts: 10,559 ClubWRX
    If I am within "roll" distance LHL, if I have to "hit" the putt, use a conventional grip. The main thing with this is to trust both, and not try and venture to the other stroke just because you feel like you are rolling it good.



    I have stayed solid with this so far this season, putting is improving.
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  • jokerusnjokerusn nice shoes Northern NJClubWRX Posts: 4,833 ClubWRX
    edited May 14, 2016 #5
    I did the exact same thing last year. I could feel the distance well with a conventional grip but wasn't finding the hole as much. I gave the LHL a try and found the same things as you - putts started on line and my tempo was good but my distance control was $#!t. I just kept working at it. It became natural and everything started to click. I am putting better than I ever have. Now, when I grab a putter, my hands automatically go LHL. Like anything new, it just takes time and practice to get comfortable.
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  • DdogDdog Cleveland Classic 270 9.5* Members Posts: 199
    I use to push all my putts. Which initiated me to switch

    I found similar results with left hand low, in my short term test. But my line was better like yours.

    More practice and concentration in how much you rock your shoulders should start to fix that.

    Recently switched to a claw grip and it has fixed both except now I sometimes pull which I never ever did with traditional. Which I'm fine with.



    Besides a acassional pull , long long distance control is my only issue . Which proably won't matter unless I play slow a** greens and hit far end of green.

    For this I may experiment with doing a traditional grip only for them. Unless claw comes around.
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  • bob1shbob1sh Members Posts: 460 ✭✭
    In my opinion, distance control is nothing but practice with the same putter so that you develop the feel you need to get the speed right.



    I was 2.3 putt per hole average with conventional grip and had no desire to change anything until I tried LHL on a whim. Of course it felt awkward but the roll of the ball alone sold me immediately. Like you mentioned, a great addition to LHL is a controlled backswing and a putt that starts online every time. I started making other changes in my full swing about the same time and spent 4 weeks practicing before I played my first round LHL and by that time I was completely comfortable with it on the course.



    If you're still looking for a putter grip, try the SS Pistol GT in the diameter you like. I found the extra fill in the top hand and no taper in the bottom to be the unicorn grip I've been looking for.



    I have 16 rounds in since going LHL and my putts per hole average is now 1.86. Stick with it, it's the truth! Jack and Tiger have said if they could go back and change anything, they would go LHL.
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  • NavyMustangGolfNavyMustangGolf Members Posts: 518 ✭✭
    When I initially switched to LHL, I found that I put a little "hit" into my putts. Just a tad bit of wrist action would throw my distance control to ****. Keeping the hands quiet was my key. I use a double interlock LHL grip. works for me. commit, and the feel will return.
    I felt really good about that shot....
    Until I hit it.
  • UncleJohn’sBandUncleJohn’sBand Members Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I went to left hand low, and made the commitment to be the best putter in the world inside 5 feet. I say that because that's the way I think, it may not be true, but it's the way I think. If you can make every putt from 5 feet and in, you can have that lack of distance control on the longer ones. It's a bit of give and take with the left hand low, but practicing 5 footers religiously has really helped me.

    I'd say it's 75% of my putting practice, and the other 25% are putts of length. Just a thought, but I've found it's helped me a lot.
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  • C-radC-rad Members Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Great share so far. I was praticing today in the basement and what i found is the lhl is really more reliable for me. For me, the conventional give me more often sweet spot strike but every is like a "feeling" putt. And the lhl is more mechanical. I know if my backswing is on a good tempo and i release the putter smoothly, the putt feel automatic. Like i just have the let the line conduct the ball to the hole.
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  • RH82RH82 Members Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2016 #11
    I've been trying lhl in my basement and I cannot get used to it one bit. I feel like my whole stroke is disconnected with this hand position.
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  • jbrunkjbrunk Central IllinoisMembers Posts: 638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stumbled into LHL by mistake 4-5 years ago, thinking I was trying a "reverse overlap". Oops. And yeah, long putts felt the most awkward at first. But I stuck with it and figured out little ways of measuring my tempo and backswing length to control distance. I practice at home with a metronome at 60, 80 & 100 bpm, and ladder drills on the putting green in increments of 2-15 ft.



    So I'd encourage you to stick with a single grip, LHL or not.
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  • LionstarLionstar Lionstar Members Posts: 967 ✭✭
    I have putted LHL for 20 years,,long before it became popular as it is today. I can tell all of you trying this that the backstroke is INITIALLY started by pushing back with the left hand but then the stroke is dominated BY THE RIGHT HAND. I learned this about 10 years ago by hearing Tiger say his distance control was always with the right hand . Even though his grip is conventional, he is correct for both styles. Since this discovery I have become an exceptional putter. In short I will say that after the initial take-a-way push with the left, the right hand should dominate. The other thing I will add is that all putts with this style outside of 3-4 ft you need to feel you are "pushing" the ball,,not "tapping" it. Inside of 4 feet you should have a soft "tap" to the ball. You will find that short, medium and long putts feel consistent and both your line, sweet spot and distance control will be good,,but of course you must practice. Hope this helps. WARNING! This will not help you read the line,,LOL.
  • LionstarLionstar Lionstar Members Posts: 967 ✭✭
    As an add, I have found my stroke with LHL required a flatter lie angle. After having my lie angle flattened a little I found the sweet spot more consistently.
  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Members Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2016 #15
    Making more than ever since going LHL. Also made my putter a little more upright.

    Saving an average of 1.5 putts per round. Now averaging 30 putts per round. Before it was close to 32.

    I'm making a lot more 5-10 footers and am able to get the ball on line consistently.

    Seems to make keeping the back of my Left hand moving toward the target easier.
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  • C-radC-rad Members Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Lionstar wrote:


    I have putted LHL for 20 years,,long before it became popular as it is today. I can tell all of you trying this that the backstroke is INITIALLY started by pushing back with the left hand but then the stroke is dominated BY THE RIGHT HAND. I learned this about 10 years ago by hearing Tiger say his distance control was always with the right hand . Even though his grip is conventional, he is correct for both styles. Since this discovery I have become an exceptional putter. In short I will say that after the initial take-a-way push with the left, the right hand should dominate. The other thing I will add is that all putts with this style outside of 3-4 ft you need to feel you are "pushing" the ball,,not "tapping" it. Inside of 4 feet you should have a soft "tap" to the ball. You will find that short, medium and long putts feel consistent and both your line, sweet spot and distance control will be good,,but of course you must practice. Hope this helps. WARNING! This will not help you read the line,,LOL.




    This is exactly what i found during this past week pratices sessions. I initiate the backswing by applying preesure with the left hand low and when i initiate the stroke, my right hand take the lead. I found better distance control with this technique. Also, i found that if i stand farther from teh ball in my stance ( almost where i play my 4 iron ) it forces me the ``push`` the ball on a straight line.
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  • DaltonSTLDaltonSTL St. LouisMembers Posts: 988 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ive had the same issue as you with left hand low. It is straight as an arrow but distance control is bad. I have going to a method where if I think a putt is very speed dependent I putt traditional. When I believe I just need to bang one in on line I go left hand low. It may seem like alot of change but the more you do it the more you become comfortable deciding which way to put which and you have confidence. Generally the longer the putt the more likely I am to go traditional.
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  • 2putttom2putttom # 1 Oregon Duck fan Members Posts: 10,081 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2016 #18
    If you have been using the conventional style lhl takes getting used to. Awkward at first but over time it will become habit. Technique is some thing you will have to experiment with over time. I have kept records on my putting stats over a decade and my distance control has improved to a point were I don't panic if I'm twenty feet from the cup. ( thats how I earned the name twoputttom)
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  • Racerx63Racerx63 Members Posts: 541 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have also changed to LHL on putts under 10 feet. I have a tendency to pull everything when I get close. I use my regular grip for any long putts, as mentioned above, the distance control is better for me. One thing I did notice is that it changed my stroke to where it's not quite SBST any longer and a plumbers neck putter works great now vs the face balanced putter I currently have.
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  • C-radC-rad Members Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    2putttom wrote:
    If you have been using the conventional style lhl takes getting used to. Awkward at first but over time it will become habit. Technique is some thing you will have to experiment with over time. I have kept records on my putting stats over a decade and my distance control has improved to a point were I don't panic if I'm twenty feet from the cup. ( thats how I earned the name twoputttom)
    and you putt lhl?
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  • 2putttom2putttom # 1 Oregon Duck fan Members Posts: 10,081 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    C-rad wrote:

    2putttom wrote:
    If you have been using the conventional style lhl takes getting used to. Awkward at first but over time it will become habit. Technique is some thing you will have to experiment with over time. I have kept records on my putting stats over a decade and my distance control has improved to a point were I don't panic if I'm twenty feet from the cup. ( thats how I earned the name twoputttom)
    and you putt lhl?
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  • 6squared6squared Members Posts: 61 ✭✭
    curious to hear how putter specs have changed for those who have gone from conventional to lhl.



    I saw Lionstar mention his lie flattened; how about length, loft, offset, shaft axis point and weight?
  • C-radC-rad Members Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    6squared wrote:
    curious to hear how putter specs have changed for those who have gone from conventional to lhl.



    I saw Lionstar mention his lie flattened; how about length, loft, offset, shaft axis point and weight?
    when i was conventional, the lie was was 68 now it is 70. Went from 5 degree loft to 3 degree. Same length, same offset and same weight.
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  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Members Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2016 #24
    6squared wrote:


    curious to hear how putter specs have changed for those who have gone from conventional to lhl.



    I saw Lionstar mention his lie flattened; how about length, loft, offset, shaft axis point and weight?


    I went from 70* lie to 69* lie, stayed at 34" 350g. I can use a 35" 340g,

    Currently using plumbers neck. MXM Versa #1, or a Cameron Select Newport.

    Using the Super Stroke flatso 1.0

    After watching Spieth hole everything last year I figured I'd give LHL a shot. First time out shot 77 w/ 27 putts
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  • jokerusnjokerusn nice shoes Northern NJClubWRX Posts: 4,833 ClubWRX
    edited May 16, 2016 #25
    6squared wrote:


    curious to hear how putter specs have changed for those who have gone from conventional to lhl.



    I saw Lionstar mention his lie flattened; how about length, loft, offset, shaft axis point and weight?




    For me, the only difference has been length but even that is pretty minor. I used to use a 35" and grip it all the way at the top of the grip. Now I grip it farther down so I sometimes try out 34" putters in the store. Offset hasn't changed at all either. I still can't use a no offset or center shaft putter or one with too much offset. Seemores and the Bett Inovai 3.0 CS are the oddities though. Both of those work for me now but they aren't center shaft. A full shaft offset is the max for me and half shaft is right at perfect. It's basically no difference.
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  • Manz60Manz60 Members Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    speed (i.e distance control) comes from finding your natural ryhthm and just letting the length of the backstroke dictate the length of the putt. Hitting the sweetspot is also important for consistent energy transfer from putter head to ball.



    LHL should provide a more consistent radius and immobilizes the RH to put the shoulders more in control...which may help hit the sweetspot a higher percentage of the time.



    Hope this helps

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  • ne26ne26 Leaving footprints in the dew Members Posts: 780
    edited May 17, 2016 #27
    I switched to lhl on the suggestion from a family friend when I was 3 years into the game. This was probably 18ish years ago and I was really struggling with distance control on long putts.



    Switching felt awkward for a week or less. It felt like my left hand was blocking my stroke on longer putts. But then I realized to think push back with left, push through with the right (as mentioned early).



    The feeling quickly became that my left hand is almost "dead" coming through the ball. It does nothing more than stabilize the putter and keep my tempo in check. At least that's how the lhl makes sense in my mind.



    Now if anything I have a tendency to leave long putts a bit short. But I'd rather do that than blow by the hole which is what happens if I switch from lhl.



    Overall, just much better control for me and I will never switch away from it.



    Edit: and my recent change to go with lhl was to have the flat part of the grip be in line with the face of the putter. So the flat part is in the palm of left hand with one finger down the grip.
  • C-radC-rad Members Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I keep praticing and cant make up my mind. But i will commit to the lhl for a while to see what happens. Have a round tomorrow and will tell the results.
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  • toad37toad37 Members Posts: 462 ✭✭
    I'm giving this a shot... good thread to read through, thanks all
  • Kale_mKale_m Members Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Went through conventional and then left hand low this season.



    Just went to the claw and the stroke feels really good. Hoping to get another round in with it before the snow shuts us down here in Alberta
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  • rmgatlrmgatl Members Posts: 224 ✭✭✭
    LHL for about 30 years, great lag putter but finally got yippy at close range. Might go 5 feet past on 5 footer while missing hole by a foot.



    Now using LHL with gator RH inside about 20-25 ft and I'm one of the best putters I know. I always made more than my share of mid range putts, but now surprised when I miss inside 10 ft...feel like I can make them all. Speed is very good and nearly always start it online. Use standard LHL for lags.



    Couple of thoughts IMHO (1) hard to avoid yips over years/decades of trying hard to make putts the same way...the neural pathways just get fried and (2) the same bit of wrist release that helps feel and distance control on lag putts can eventually become an uncontrollable twitch close in.



    Most of us have to change grips and or technique eventually...practicing more doesn't work, you have to use differnt circuits. Look at tour players...Langer being prime multi-decade example. I love LHL gator btw. Love putting again.

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