Mizuno ST 190 Driver

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  • TexC04TexC04  22WRX Points: 14Members Posts: 22 Bunkers
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    On -, @blackngold_blood said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    Question about the ST190 hosel and the upright adjusting. Can you adjust -1 loft and +1 upright? Or can you only change the upright setting with the stock loft?

    I was sent this adjustment chart from Mizuno costumer service. I was also told the adapters are the same as before just labeled differently. They also said that every loft adjustment will affect lie angle and face angle.

    So are settings 6, 7, and 8 a closed face?

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    Callaway Rogue 17* Fairway
    Callaway Rogue 21* and 24* and 27* Hybrids
    Mizuno JPX 919 7-PW, GW, SW, LW
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    On -, @TexC04 said:

    On -, @blackngold_blood said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    Question about the ST190 hosel and the upright adjusting. Can you adjust -1 loft and +1 upright? Or can you only change the upright setting with the stock loft?

    I was sent this adjustment chart from Mizuno costumer service. I was also told the adapters are the same as before just labeled differently. They also said that every loft adjustment will affect lie angle and face angle.

    So are settings 6, 7, and 8 a closed face?

    I believe they are the open face settings. 2, 3, and 4 should be the closed face settings.

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  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 726WRX Points: 192Members Posts: 726 Golden Tee
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    On -, @TexC04 said:

    On -, @blackngold_blood said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    Question about the ST190 hosel and the upright adjusting. Can you adjust -1 loft and +1 upright? Or can you only change the upright setting with the stock loft?

    I was sent this adjustment chart from Mizuno costumer service. I was also told the adapters are the same as before just labeled differently. They also said that every loft adjustment will affect lie angle and face angle.

    So are settings 6, 7, and 8 a closed face?

    Go up in loft to close the face. Down in loft to open the face.

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    mizuno st190 9.5
    Callaway rouge sub zero 15
    Adams pro mini 20
    Bridgestone tour b x-cb 4-pw 
    Vokey sm7 50.12, sm7 56.10, sm6 62.08
    Maltby ptm-4
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    On -, @Bobb3rdown said:

    On -, @TexC04 said:

    On -, @blackngold_blood said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    Question about the ST190 hosel and the upright adjusting. Can you adjust -1 loft and +1 upright? Or can you only change the upright setting with the stock loft?

    I was sent this adjustment chart from Mizuno costumer service. I was also told the adapters are the same as before just labeled differently. They also said that every loft adjustment will affect lie angle and face angle.

    So are settings 6, 7, and 8 a closed face?

    Go up in loft to close the face. Down in loft to open the face.

    Dang- now I’m confused. I’ve been dabbling between 2 and 8. Can’t turn 2 over to save my life and duck hooks with 8...

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    Callaway Rogue 10.5* driver
    Callaway Rogue 17* Fairway
    Callaway Rogue 21* and 24* and 27* Hybrids
    Mizuno JPX 919 7-PW, GW, SW, LW
    Lajosi DD-201 WB

  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 726WRX Points: 192Members Posts: 726 Golden Tee
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    On -, @TexC04 said:

    On -, @Bobb3rdown said:

    On -, @TexC04 said:

    On -, @blackngold_blood said:

    On -, @bbfifas said:

    Question about the ST190 hosel and the upright adjusting. Can you adjust -1 loft and +1 upright? Or can you only change the upright setting with the stock loft?

    I was sent this adjustment chart from Mizuno costumer service. I was also told the adapters are the same as before just labeled differently. They also said that every loft adjustment will affect lie angle and face angle.

    So are settings 6, 7, and 8 a closed face?

    Go up in loft to close the face. Down in loft to open the face.

    Dang- now I’m confused. I’ve been dabbling between 2 and 8. Can’t turn 2 over to save my life and duck hooks with 8...

    Doesnt really work that way lol

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    mizuno st190 9.5
    Callaway rouge sub zero 15
    Adams pro mini 20
    Bridgestone tour b x-cb 4-pw 
    Vokey sm7 50.12, sm7 56.10, sm6 62.08
    Maltby ptm-4
    2018 Players 5 stand bag
    Srixon Z Star xv
  • Bogey2BirdieBogey2Birdie West Palm Beach 53WRX Points: 44Handicap: 5Members Posts: 53 Bunkers
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    I bought a IZ 8x for my 3w but decided to test it in my ST190.

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    Mizuno ST-190 9.5 / AD-VR 7x 46'
    TEE CB Pro f2 15 / Fuel 70x TS 44'
    TEE CBX119 18 / UST ISA1000 Int 8x
    Yonex Ezone MB Irons DG-XP100
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  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 726WRX Points: 192Members Posts: 726 Golden Tee
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    On -, @Bogey2Birdie said:


    I bought a IZ 8x for my 3w but decided to test it in my ST190.

    Are the adapters the same?

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    mizuno st190 9.5
    Callaway rouge sub zero 15
    Adams pro mini 20
    Bridgestone tour b x-cb 4-pw 
    Vokey sm7 50.12, sm7 56.10, sm6 62.08
    Maltby ptm-4
    2018 Players 5 stand bag
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  • North ButteNorth Butte  11741WRX Points: 1,541Members Posts: 11,741 Titanium Tees
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    My driver is an ST 180, not the newer 190, but I had a very unusual experience with the adjustments when I first got it. I started with the in the +1 setting (standard, not upright) and during an initial round, then the next day during 30 minutes hitting range balls followed by nine more holes on the course I could not hit it out of my shadow. Low cuts, high blocks and what felt like dead solid shots that went about 20 yards shorter than my previous M4 driver. I was ready to write it off and in fact I put it in the closet for a couple weeks until I could get around to selling it and getting some of my money back out.

    Then I decided to give it one more try. I cranked it to +2 and my first 3-4 balls at the driving range were still pretty weak. Not awful like before but decent looking shots that just didn't have any pop to them. But once I got warmed up I started hitting straight, just as long as my M4 and with a very appealing medium to medium-low ball flight that tended to turn over in a slight draw.

    So I've been using it the last several rounds and I love it. Probably giving up 5 yards of carry relative to the M4 (set to the 12 degree position) but getting it back with interest after the rollout and it has virtually eliminated my nemesis push-fade with the M4. Everything is either straight or turns over a little (unless I overswing and come OTT which is a big pull with any club, of course).

    Honestly, in years of playing Titleist and Ping adjustable drivers and trying a few Taylormade models I've never found one click of the hosel adjustment to do much of anything. Very subtle trajectory changes or sometimes not even sure anything changed at all. But this is like two totally different drivers at +1 and +2 settings for me.

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    On -, @chigolfer1 said:

    Sorry if this has been discussed but this is very interesting in light of what I'm reading in the F9 thread and hitting it lower than the center and how much worse it performs. As was discussed in that thread, drivers are really meant to be hit at the midline and above. Apparently, they have tried to somewhat mitigate that through the below:

    "Mizuno defines CORAREA as the part of the face that measures greater than .80 COR. The lower you go on the face, COR drops off, as does ball speed. “That’s because the ball is impacting on the more rigid part of the face,” says Voshall. “What we’re trying to do is make that bottom part act more like the center or the top.”
    The WAVE sole softens that acute angle to get a little more trampolining lower on the face. "

    https://****.com/first-look-take-two-mizuno-st-190-drivers-fairway-woods/

    I have hit some laughable shots low on the face especially low-heel when I get over the top with excellent distance with the st-190. Makes sense to me.

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    Mizuno St190, 8.5*, Tensei White 70X shaft
    Cobra FLY Z+ 3 wood, orange, aldila tour blue stiff, 14.5*
    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Cobra F7 Hybrid 20* stiff Fuji Pro 75
    Cobra Forged Tec 5-PW, KBS C-taper lite stiff
    Cleveland CBX 50*, 115g DG
    Cleveland CBX 56*, 115g DG
    Cleveland RTX3 60* Midgrind 9* bounce
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"
    Bridegstone Tour BX

  • Bogey2BirdieBogey2Birdie West Palm Beach 53WRX Points: 44Handicap: 5Members Posts: 53 Bunkers
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    Yes... ST180 shaft will fit in ST190
    I too am sometimes hitting low & low heal and getting decent drives. Speed all over the face is good

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    Mizuno ST-190 9.5 / AD-VR 7x 46'
    TEE CB Pro f2 15 / Fuel 70x TS 44'
    TEE CBX119 18 / UST ISA1000 Int 8x
    Yonex Ezone MB Irons DG-XP100
    Miura Wedge Series 51,55,59 DG
    SC Red X5 Putter 33.75 / Tour B xs

  • Notorious22Notorious22 Scottsdale, AZ 35WRX Points: 50Members Posts: 35 Bunkers
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    Anyone know that stock weight of the ST190 and ST190G. I have the G version but curious about doing 90-day trade into a regular ST and adding hotmelt or lead tape. Also I find the G to be on point when I'm hitting it well but I'm thinking I can gain dispersion/consistency with the regular ST190

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    Driver-Cobra F9 9.0 set to 8 Project x HC Black 65 6.5 Tip 1" 44" D4
    3 wood: Pending( Cobra F9 tour, Cobra F8 tour, TS3, Ping G410 LST) Project x HC Black 75 6.5 Tip 1.5" 42" D4
    DI: Taylormade P790 3ir set at 19* Tour issue X100 39" D4
    Irons: Mizuno JPX919 tour 4-PW. Tour Issue X 100 D4
    Wedges: Mizuno T20 50 Satin, 54 Raw, 58 Raw TI S400 D4
    Putter: Mannkrafted Tour Only Ma66
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  • jadams13jadams13 Poulsbo, WA 52WRX Points: 37Handicap: 13Members Posts: 52 Bunkers
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    Mizuno created a really good driver with this one. 3 rounds in and I'm very happy, mishits are better than with my 917D for certain.

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  • Hammer22Hammer22  618WRX Points: 156Handicap: <8Members Posts: 618 Golden Tee
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    On -, @Notorious22 said:

    Anyone know that stock weight of the ST190 and ST190G. I have the G version but curious about doing 90-day trade into a regular ST and adding hotmelt or lead tape. Also I find the G to be on point when I'm hitting it well but I'm thinking I can gain dispersion/consistency with the regular ST190

    It’s been here for a while with regards to the 190: https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1766463/mizuno-st190-swing-weight-custom-adjustment

    Search the web on the G. - lots of info out there if you look.

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  • RonGolfRonGolf  4WRX Points: 12Members Posts: 4 Starters
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    I can't find on the Mizuno site what "HL" means on the ST190 10.5HL model - - can someone explain this? tx

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  • Cruisin1966Cruisin1966 Calgary, AB 1011WRX Points: 256Handicap: WIPClubWRX Posts: 1,011 ClubWRX
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    I believe it stands for "High Launch"

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    On -, @Cruisin1966 said:

    I believe it stands for "High Launch"

    Does anyone know if the "High Launch" is strictly due to the loft - - or are their other characteristics of the club that promote a higher launch? That is, is this driver different than just a 10.5* version of the base ST190 model? (I wish the Mizuno site had more content on this - - I couldn't find anything about it.)

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  • LandyLandy  2251WRX Points: 144ClubWRX Posts: 2,251 ClubWRX
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    Hello - From what I read on the Mizuno site the HL is adjustable from 8.5 to 12.5 where the standard is 7.5 to 11.5.

    I have also been trying to find out.

    Hope this helps.

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  • jar59jar59  399WRX Points: 81Handicap: 0.7Members Posts: 399 Greens
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    I just watched a video about the ST 190 driver “high loft”.

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  • pakpak  181WRX Points: 107Members Posts: 181 Fairways
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    Are the Atmos Red 5 R and Atmos Blue 5 S that come standard on the ST 190 driver real deal shafts? Also, if anyone has had a chance to test both, what is your opinion regarding stiffness and ball flight between Red and Blue?

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  • lefty1978lefty1978 Charlotte, NC 579WRX Points: 335Handicap: 8.7Members Posts: 579 Golden Tee
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    Mizuno ST190 9.5° w/ Fujikura Speeder Evolution IV 661
    Callaway GBB Epic sz 15° w/ Aldila Rogue Max 75g
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL HMB 3-4 iron w/ DG 120 S300
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL 5-PW w/ DG 120 S300
    Mizuno S18 52°/9°
    Mizuno S18 57°/11°
    Titleist Vokey SM5 62°/8° T Grind
    Scotty Cameron California Del Mar Putter
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  • MaineMarinerMaineMariner  695WRX Points: 429Members Posts: 695 Golden Tee
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    I picked up the 10.5 degree "HL" model on eBay recently for really cheap, and am similarly confused as to why Mizuno would choose to market the 10.5 degree head as "high launch". Usually that's reserved for the 12-13 degree models by Taylormade and Callaway and the like. 10.5 seems like a pretty standard loft for a driver head, even if it can be adjusted to 12.5.

    Why I bought a driver right before winter, when I won't be able to swing it outdoors, is beyond me... but it looks really pretty.

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    Mizuno ST190
    Callaway Big Bertha Fusion 3 wood
    Srixon Z H45 3 & 4 hybrid
    Srixon Z 565 irons, 5 - AW, Nippon Modus 3 Tour 120
    Callaway MD3 S Grind 54 deg.
    Callaway MD4 W Grind 60 deg.
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  • aquapigaquapig  379WRX Points: 172Handicap: 8Members Posts: 379 Greens
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    I assumed loft is loft. But I can tell you that I launched my 190 higher than any other 10 degree driver I've used. And the face looks very deep to me a address.

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  • reider69reider69  640WRX Points: 106Handicap: golfMembers Posts: 640 Golden Tee
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    Has anyone else had an issue with durability? The top of mine became scratched immediately the first time I played on a sandy course. Then my buddy put huge sky marks on top when he tried it out. I have been playing Taylormade and Cobra drivers for the past 5 years and have no such issues with scratches and gouges on top. I have to decide whether to buy a new driver this coming year or send my head to Continental golf and get a more durable matte black finish.

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    Mizuno ST190 - Kuro Kage Silver Tini 70X
    Cobra BioCell+ - Matrix Ozik Red Tie 6Q3 X
    Cobra BioCell 3-4 Hybrid - Aldila Rogue Black 85 X
    Mizuno JPX 900 Forged 4-G, KBS C Taper Lite X
    Ping Glide Stealth 2.0 - 54 and 58 - Modus 105X
    Callaway Xforged - 64 degrees
    Lajosi DD201 Proto
  • ValtielValtiel Konica-Minolta Bizhub  3120WRX Points: 1,267Handicap: 1.7Members Posts: 3,120 Titanium Tees
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    With all due respect, if you're hitting balls off the top edge/crown then I would hardly fault any driver for having "durability" issues there.

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    Mizuno ST190 9.5* Diamana X'17 70XX ||  Taylormade M1 430 8.5* Tensei Pro Orange V2 70TX
    Titleist 915FD 15* Kuro Kage DC 80TX || Taylormade RSI UDI 16* Fujikura Motore Speeder HB 8.8 Tour-Spec X
    Titleist 915FD 18* Kuro Kage 100XTS || Srixon Z U65 Utility 18* Fujikura Motore Speeder HB 9.8 Tour-Spec X
    Callaway X-Forged UT 20* Kuro Kage XT 100TX Hybrid
    Callaway X-Forged UT 23* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Bridgestone J40 DPC 5i-7i 26*- 36* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Bridgestone J40 CB 8i-PW 40*- 48* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey Mild Raw 8620 54* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey SM6 58* Oil Can Low Bounce K-Grind Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey Special 61* Black Oxide V-Grind Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bullseye shaft

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  • Bogey2BirdieBogey2Birdie West Palm Beach 53WRX Points: 44Handicap: 5Members Posts: 53 Bunkers
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    ST190 Long Bomber build


    St190 Driver with lighter head weight...

    Graphite Design Tour AD-VR 7x, (straight in / no tipping) L: 46 1/2 ! SW: D5 ;) , 270cpm. Logo down

    Remove the two piece head weight. Remove the outer weight ring 3.4g... leaving the screw. This reduced my total head weight to 192.1g

    New head lighter weight to go long;)...will post some Trackman numbers soon.

    Built a St190/AD-VR 6s tipped 1/2in @ 46 D3 for a player... who said his other driver landed short about 15-20yards before the net.

    Now ST190 Mitzy / Tour AD-VR 6s has his ball flying up 15f up the net!. Yes its inch longer and a hot head & shaft...try it out!

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    Mizuno ST-190 9.5 / AD-VR 7x 46'
    TEE CB Pro f2 15 / Fuel 70x TS 44'
    TEE CBX119 18 / UST ISA1000 Int 8x
    Yonex Ezone MB Irons DG-XP100
    Miura Wedge Series 51,55,59 DG
    SC Red X5 Putter 33.75 / Tour B xs

  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm  2573WRX Points: 929Members Posts: 2,573 Titanium Tees
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    CPO had a screaming deal on the ST190 last week (160 shipped for 'like new') so I got one for my wife. Pulled her shaft from the JPX900 she was using which IIRC is a Fuji Pro L flex. Hopefully she likes it!

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  • Man_O_WarMan_O_War  3444WRX Points: 521Members Posts: 3,444 Titanium Tees
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    do folks prefer the st190 to the st190G? seems overwhelming

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    Cobra LTD PRO /Ozik TP6HD/Project X LZ 6.0 71g HC/ 

    Cobra LTD 3/4 Kai'li 80
    Cobra LTD 4/5 Kai'li 80
    Cobra F6 Baffler
    TM Mid_Rescue TP 22*
    Mizuno MP20 HMB 120x 4-pw
    RTX 3.0 50, 54, 60 Modus 125
    TM Spider DJ Sightline Black Tour Spider 
  • Bogey2BirdieBogey2Birdie West Palm Beach 53WRX Points: 44Handicap: 5Members Posts: 53 Bunkers
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    Lots of St190's for sale online with good shafts...tinker?

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    Mizuno ST-190 9.5 / AD-VR 7x 46'
    TEE CB Pro f2 15 / Fuel 70x TS 44'
    TEE CBX119 18 / UST ISA1000 Int 8x
    Yonex Ezone MB Irons DG-XP100
    Miura Wedge Series 51,55,59 DG
    SC Red X5 Putter 33.75 / Tour B xs

  • aquapigaquapig  379WRX Points: 172Handicap: 8Members Posts: 379 Greens
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    Still love mine.

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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm  2573WRX Points: 929Members Posts: 2,573 Titanium Tees
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    Well AAR on my wife using the ST190 - she loves it. Made several gains in stats across the board, most noticeably almost 20yds in distance/roll out over the 440cc JPX900 head she had before. Shes hitting it about 170-180yds now.


    Needless to say she loves it.


    The ST190 3 wood over her JPX900 3 wood not so much yet, she's still getting used to it.

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