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ST190 questions

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chuck_schalchchuck_schalch  236Unregistered Posts: 236
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Really like the look of the Mizuno ST190 driver. Anyone have one in the bag or done any extensive testing? Wondering how the launch and spin is compared to other drivers (Ping g410, m6, ts2, epic flash). I have found a little bit of info out there but not much. I don’t have the option of testing unfortunately, but I have about 112 swing speed and typically a mid launch and mid spin player.

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  • PhilomathesqPhilomathesq Legal Eagle 488Members Posts: 488
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    I have the ST190G and love it. We have similar swing speeds. Of the other drivers you mentioned, I've only hit the EFSZ, with which I did not get along.

    The Mizuno does a great job of keeping spin down. The nice thing is that the weights in the ST190G can be adjusted to accommodate different spin numbers (high spin players can put the weights in the front positions, while players that don't want to reduce spin too much can put the weights in the middle of back positions).

    It is also **** as ****.

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  • ValtielValtiel Konica-Minolta Bizhub  2593Members Posts: 2,593
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    I have nothing but massive praise for the ST190. I am going to post a thread on it after I get some Trackman numbers as I truly believe it is an amazing driver. Stock it is right in the same realm as the 2016 M2 and the TS3 in terms of spin and forgiveness. So it is pretty low spinning (if stuck well) but not as forgiving as the PING 400/410 series. However if you like to play your drivers a bit shorter/heavier than stock then I highly recommend fitting some aftermarket weights into the ST190. I have mine at 44.5" with a 16g weight in the back (the stock weight is 2g, the ring around it is 4g) which brings it somewhere between the M6 and the TS2 in terms of forgiveness, which is quite a bit. Still not in the same forgiveness league as the PING's, but still solid.

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    Mizuno ST190 9.5* Diamana X'17 70xx ||  Taylormade M1 430 8.5* Tensei Pro Orange V2 70TX
    Callaway XHot 3Deep Pro 14.5* Veylix Rome 888x || Taylormade M1 13* Kuro Kage Dual Core 80TX
    Cobra F6 Baffler 16* Tensei Pro Orange 90TX || Taylormade RSI UDI 16* Fujikura Motore Speeder HB 9.8 Tour-Spec X
    PING Anser 20* Aldila Rogue Black 110MSI 105h Tour-X || Taylormade V-Steel 21* Project X Rifle Satin 6.5
    Mizuno MP-H4 3i 21* Project X PXi 7.0
    Mizuno MP-H4 4i 24* Project X PXi 7.0
    Mizuno MP-59 4i-PW 24*- 48* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey Mild Raw 8620 54* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey  SM6 58* Oil Can Low Bounce K-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx1
    Vokey Special 62* Black Oxide V-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx2
    Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bullseye shaft

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    Mizuno ST190 9.5* Diamana X'17 70xx ||  Taylormade M1 430 8.5* Tensei Pro Orange V2 70TX
    Callaway XHot 3Deep Pro 14.5* Veylix Rome 888x || Taylormade M1 13* Kuro Kage Dual Core 80TX
    Cobra F6 Baffler 16* Tensei Pro Orange 90TX || Taylormade RSI UDI 16* Fujikura Motore Speeder HB 9.8 Tour-Spec X
    PING Anser 20* Aldila Rogue Black 110MSI 105h Tour-X || Taylormade V-Steel 21* Project X Rifle Satin 6.5
    Mizuno MP-H4 3i 21* Project X PXi 7.0
    Mizuno MP-H4 4i 24* Project X PXi 7.0
    Mizuno MP-59 4i-PW 24*- 48* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey Mild Raw 8620 54* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey  SM6 58* Oil Can Low Bounce K-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx1
    Vokey Special 62* Black Oxide V-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx2
    Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bullseye shaft

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  • Hammer22Hammer22  584Members Posts: 584
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    Great drivers and fairway woods for sure, and the Atmost TS shafts are definitely spin killers. Started with the 190 and went to the G since I found the first one a little fade biased and I've always played a slight draw.

    A bunch in here on tweaking the swingweight, which really makes them shine: https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/1766463/mizuno-st190-swing-weight-custom-adjustment/p1

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  • Nixhex524Nixhex524  4340ClubWRX Posts: 4,340
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    Played the ST 190G with the Atmos black TS for a while. It felt a little firm off the face and I think I may have needed a little more spin, but I have not seen faster ball speeds for my swings with any other driver yet. If I wasn't so erratic with it I'd probably still be gaming it. Great driver, you just have to find the right combo with the right 190 head.

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    Ping G400 LST 10* Tour 65s
    Ping G400 14.5* Aldila Rogue Silver 70s
    Titleist 915h 21*   Aldila Rogue black 85s
    Ping S55 4-P X100
    Titleist SM5 50.12, 56.10
    Scotty Cameron NP2 2016 34"

  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm  2089Members Posts: 2,089
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    I just traded in my Rogue for an ST190 and so far it's been amazing. I use a shorter shaft (44.5") so I removed the stock weight and moved up to an 8g weight but now it's perfect.

    Have been hitting my farthest drives of the year with it so far.

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  • Notorious22Notorious22 Scottsdale, AZ 33Members Posts: 33
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    Have both the driver and the fairways. ST190G in the driver. Not to say that the regular wasn't for me but went off of the Keith Mitchell video where he said the G sounded better and I agree. He put hotmelt in the regular to achieve the same sound. In the fairways went regular cause I've only had success with bonded fairways. Went shot in the dark for shafts and I have found a lineup to last several years. The Driver is by far the straightest and most consistent I have had with the fairways being sleepers and fit my gaps of 270 and 250. I have lead tape on the bottom of the fairways and none on the drivers. Have had great success so far with not checking the specs at a club builder.

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    Driver-Mizuno St190g FUJI VENTUS 7x Tip 1 inch at 45
    3 wood: Mizuno st190 Adiz 8x tipped 1.5
    5wood: Mizuno st190 Adiz 8x tipped 2
    Irons: Mizuno JPX919 tour 4-PW. Kbs C-taper 130x
    Wedges: Mizzy T20 50 satin, 54 raw, 58 raw TI S400
    Putter: Mannkrafted Tour Only Ma66
    Ball: Bridgestone Tour b x ( Messing around with left dash pro v x)

    In the works:
    Potential Driver switch up- G410 lst 8.5 with ADIZ 7x tipped 1.5 at 44.5
    one fairway wood( switch between the 15 and 18 of my ST190's depending on the course)
    Ping I210 3 iron or T100 3 iron

  • North ButteNorth Butte  11741Members Posts: 11,741
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    Mine’s the ST180. I like it because straight off the shelf it is 3/4” shorter and 15g heavier than my stock M4 was. Also love the compact looking clubhead.

    I am not usually much bothered by hitting hooks. Hit I do get the impression that ST180 is somewhat anti-left compared to some drivers I’ve used.

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  • GrizpharmGrizpharm  451ClubWRX Posts: 451
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    This driver is filthy long and straight. I’ve hit all the others you mentioned but this is the best driver IMO

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    I love my ST190 driver, definitely recommend bagging one. I am thinking of maybe getting a ST190 3 wood as well for xmas maybe. Mizuno are mostly known for making amazing irons but their woods are definitely making a name for themselves.

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    Mizuno ST190 Driver 9.5*
    Taylormade 2016 M2 3 wood 15*
    Taylormade 2016 M1 Hybrid 18*
    Taylormade PSI Forged 4-PW
    Taylormade TP EF blk 52*
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  • Golf64Golf64 Go Habs Go! Ontario, Canada 7876Members Posts: 7,876
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    Saw Mizuno rep. yesterday, new woods on the horizon at PGA show for next season.

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  • project_fishproject_fish  27Members Posts: 27
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    @third-times-a-charm said:
    I just traded in my Rogue for an ST190 and so far it's been amazing. I use a shorter shaft (44.5") so I removed the stock weight and moved up to an 8g weight but now it's perfect.

    Have been hitting my farthest drives of the year with it so far.

    Where/How did you get the 8g weight?

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    Mizuno MP-H5/MP-15/MP-5 Combo Irons
    Mizuno T7 46,52,58 Wedges
    Mizuno JPX900 7 Wood
    Mizuno ST190 TS3 3 Wood
    Mizuno ST190/G Driver
    Taylormade Spider Tour Black Putter

  • Hammer22Hammer22  584Members Posts: 584
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    @project_fish said:
    Where/How did you get the 8g weight?

    See the link in Post #5.

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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm  2089Members Posts: 2,089
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    @project_fish said:

    @third-times-a-charm said:
    I just traded in my Rogue for an ST190 and so far it's been amazing. I use a shorter shaft (44.5") so I removed the stock weight and moved up to an 8g weight but now it's perfect.

    Have been hitting my farthest drives of the year with it so far.

    Where/How did you get the 8g weight?

    Used a taylormade weight

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  • cjyner97cjyner97  95Members Posts: 95
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    The clubface looks closed to me at setup, but it is decently low spinning off the face. Really solid club.

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    Epic Flash SZ 9* w/ Ventus
    Epic Flash SZ 15* w/ evenflow black
    790 UDI 17* w/ hzrdus black
    919 JPX tour w/ $ taper
    MD4 50, 54, 58 w/ $ taper
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    @Grizpharm said:
    This driver is filthy long and straight. I’ve hit all the others you mentioned but this is the best driver IMO

    I agree with you, but just kind of looks shut at address to my eye.

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    Epic Flash SZ 9* w/ Ventus
    Epic Flash SZ 15* w/ evenflow black
    790 UDI 17* w/ hzrdus black
    919 JPX tour w/ $ taper
    MD4 50, 54, 58 w/ $ taper
    Spider X
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  • chuck_schalchchuck_schalch  236Unregistered Posts: 236
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    I have a Ping G in a 9* with a Diamana D+ in 70X. To get similar launch, should I go with the 9.5 or 10.5 in the ST190? Will be pairing it with the ATMOS Black 6X

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  • lefty1978lefty1978 Charlotte, NC 461Members Posts: 461
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    Anyone game the st190 with HZRDUS Smoke shaft?

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    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3w 15° w/ Aldila Rogue Max 75g
    Mizuno CLK 3h 18° w/ Fujikura Speeder HB 75g
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL HMB 4 iron w/ DG 120 S300
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL 5-PW w/ DG 120 S300
    Titleist Vokey SM5 52°/12° F Grind
    Titleist Vokey SM5 58°/11° K Grind
    Titleist Vokey SM5 62°/8° T Grind
    Scotty Cameron California Del Mar Putter
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  • Pbo1980Pbo1980  21Members Posts: 21
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    Got fitted for the Mizuno st190 driver. Stiff atmos Black . Love it . Also just got st190 3 wood x stiff kurokage shaft. Was told Mizuno has no up charge for premium shafts , and they offer the real shaft - not made for shafts like other brands

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  • ChuckD724ChuckD724  114Members, Paid BST Posts: 114
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    I am in the ST190 and have been for about 2 weeks after swinging SZEF all summer. I have the Tensei White X in mine and I agree, it looks a little shut at address, but I hit the 2 furthest drives of the summer as well. Excited to get it back out this week and see if I can keep it going a little straighter more consistently. I have been told that I will love a Ventus in it as well...Seems like another $300 I don’t want to spend right now.

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    Mizzy ST190 with AD MD Quatrotech
    Flash 3W with HZRDS Black 6.5
    Cobra F8 5 wood with HZRDS Smoke 6.5
    TM M3 Hybrid with V2 stiff
    TM P790 with TT S300 stiff
    Mack Daddy 4 Tactical. 50 with 115 stiff
    Mack Daddy 4 - 54 - with 115 stiff
    Spider X Copper with white sight line

  • owu23owu23  67Members Posts: 67
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    I have the ST190G with Ventus and as I have stated in another thread, this thing is the best driver I have ever owned. With the Ventus, it just wants to go straight!!
    I am a terrible driver of the golf ball and this has completely changed my game (putting more stress on my irons:))

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  • LandyLandy  2205ClubWRX Posts: 2,205
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    Anyone compare the ST190 to the Srixon z785?

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  • Red4282Red4282  557Members Posts: 557
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    @Landy said:
    Anyone compare the ST190 to the Srixon z785?

    Crossfield had a video this week comparing the st190 and a srixon driver, not sure on the model of the srixon tho.

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    Thank you will look it up

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  • halliedoghalliedog  2419Members Posts: 2,419
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    I have the ST180 and GT180 drivers and GT180 3 wood. I put an EvenFlow White @ 44 3/4" in the drivers, and have hit some drives this summer that are in places I've never been before, ever. Some of this may be the shaft, as this EvenFlow really seems to fit me so well, but these heads are definitely as good if not better than anything I've tried from the big boys the last few years. Even slight mishits I'm surprised how far they go and either still in the fairway or just into the first cut. I find the ST180 to be much lower launch/spin than the GT180, even with the weights moved all the way forward, but both are phenomenal. Plus the ball just seems to shoot off the face of the ST whereas the GT has a much softer feel/muted sound. The 3 wood has a Tensei White and also excellent. I've struggled so much to find a decent 3 wood that I haven't even carried one the last few years, but now the combo of these clubs has me reaching several par 5s that I haven't even considered going for in 2 for quite some time.

    I haven't even bothered trying the 190 line since I stumbled onto these and they work so well for me, so can't help there, but thought I'd throw up my take on Mizuno woods. My SS is just a little south of OP's and I'm typically a very high/launch player and these have definitely helped with that for me.

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    Mizuno GT/ST-180 Dr w/ EvenFlow White 6.0 75
    Mizuno GT-180 3wd w/ Tensei CK White 75
    TM UDI 1, 3 w/ KBS C-Taper Lite S
    TM P770 4-PW w/ TT Tour Concept Satin
    TM Milled Grind 52* LB and 58* SB
    Odyssey O-Works 7S Tank
  • mpf08796mpf08796  158Members Posts: 158
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    I just got out for my first round with my ST 190g/Atmos Black 7s. Hit 11/14 fairways and penetrating flight. Best driving round in a long time. A winner for me

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    Mizuno ST 190 G 
    Callaway Epic 3 wood +
    Mizuno MP 20 MB 2 iron
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4-pw
    Mizuno S18 50
    Callaway MD4 54, 60
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  • lefty1978lefty1978 Charlotte, NC 461Members Posts: 461
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    I just bought a mint LH Mizuno ST190 and had it delivered yesterday. It came with a stock Fujikura Atmos blue 6s, I assume this is a made for since it was kinda terrible for Fujikura standards. Very high spin and ball flight. Shaft really feels cheap, are the Atmos tour spec better? I love the speeder line.

    Anyways, back to the driver, it hit it today in an open outdoor range off natural grass with tees. Holy crap this thing sounds terrible, really high pitched ringing. Not very fun to hit. Am I crazy, or is this really unpleasant sounding? I thought my old Ping G was bad. Is there a way I can dampen the sound? Would a shaft change matter? Thanks.

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    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3w 15° w/ Aldila Rogue Max 75g
    Mizuno CLK 3h 18° w/ Fujikura Speeder HB 75g
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL HMB 4 iron w/ DG 120 S300
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL 5-PW w/ DG 120 S300
    Titleist Vokey SM5 52°/12° F Grind
    Titleist Vokey SM5 58°/11° K Grind
    Titleist Vokey SM5 62°/8° T Grind
    Scotty Cameron California Del Mar Putter
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  • aquapigaquapig  313Members Posts: 313
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    @lefty1978 said:
    I just bought a mint LH Mizuno ST190 and had it delivered yesterday. It came with a stock Fujikura Atmos blue 6s, I assume this is a made for since it was kinda terrible for Fujikura standards. Very high spin and ball flight. Shaft really feels cheap, are the Atmos tour spec better? I love the speeder line.

    Anyways, back to the driver, it hit it today in an open outdoor range off natural grass with tees. Holy crap this thing sounds terrible, really high pitched ringing. Not very fun to hit. Am I crazy, or is this really unpleasant sounding? I thought my old Ping G was bad. Is there a way I can dampen the sound? Would a shaft change matter? Thanks.

    Yes you're crazy.

    Nothing "high pitched" about mine. Nothing cheap feeling.

    Nothing I've hit feels, looks, sounds, and most importantly, performs better than my ST190 with the same shaft.

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  • lefty1978lefty1978 Charlotte, NC 461Members Posts: 461
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    @aquapig said:

    @lefty1978 said:
    I just bought a mint LH Mizuno ST190 and had it delivered yesterday. It came with a stock Fujikura Atmos blue 6s, I assume this is a made for since it was kinda terrible for Fujikura standards. Very high spin and ball flight. Shaft really feels cheap, are the Atmos tour spec better? I love the speeder line.

    Anyways, back to the driver, it hit it today in an open outdoor range off natural grass with tees. Holy crap this thing sounds terrible, really high pitched ringing. Not very fun to hit. Am I crazy, or is this really unpleasant sounding? I thought my old Ping G was bad. Is there a way I can dampen the sound? Would a shaft change matter? Thanks.

    Yes you're crazy.

    Nothing "high pitched" about mine. Nothing cheap feeling.

    Nothing I've hit feels, looks, sounds, and most importantly, performs better than my ST190 with the same shaft.

    Just to be clear, I never said the driver felt cheap, the shaft does to me. I am going to reshaft it, I have a few different shafts laying around that are more to my specs. I am a Mizuno guy, so I want to like it.

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    Mizuno CLK 3h 18° w/ Fujikura Speeder HB 75g
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL HMB 4 iron w/ DG 120 S300
    Mizuno MP-20 SEL 5-PW w/ DG 120 S300
    Titleist Vokey SM5 52°/12° F Grind
    Titleist Vokey SM5 58°/11° K Grind
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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC  2467ClubWRX Posts: 2,467
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    The Fuji Atmos 6 is not a cheap made for shaft. It has a softer profile by design and what you may be feeling is its higher torque. That makes it feel responsive vs boardy and a lot of people like it.

    The Tour Spec is a stiffer lower torque version of the same profile. You can compare the stiffness readings for all of them on the Fujikura site. Really good site as it shows butt and tip flexes and you can dial it in as much as you want. I also found the standard Blue 6 stiff a little too responsive but it sure goes far and gets the ball up quick. The feel I like the best is the 7 stiff Tour Spec model. Still responsive but firmer.

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    Srixon 565 4 iron, Nippon 980GH stiff shaft
    Adams CMB irons, 5-PW, KBS C Taper regular shafts (110g)
    Titleist Vokey SM7 50 degree, F grind, Dynamic Gold S200 shaft
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