The Wizard Short Game Technique Videos(merged)

[iteachgolf]

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[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1441473773' post='12268130']
C grind
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For just 60 or 54 and 50 also?
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I have same grind on 60/55 and 50 is an 11 iron. Only needed on 60 in my case since I don't hit anything but square faced shots with 55/50

[Dave D]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1441498405' post='12269586']
[quote name=' Dave D' timestamp='1441487338' post='12268938']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1441473773' post='12268130']
C grind
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For just 60 or 54 and 50 also?
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I have same grind on 60/55 and 50 is an 11 iron. Only needed on 60 in my case since I don't hit anything but square faced shots with 55/50
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Thanks

[QB74]

I bought Montes short game vid and my chipping has improved massively. I use exclusively my 56/10 wedge now, my 50 and 60 wedges are collecting dust.

Is there any point in me getting Dan's videos as well, or should I stick to one method if the methods are different at all?

[Hawkeye77]

It's not a lot of money and interesting to watch. Monte's "speaks" to me in terms similar to what I'm supposed to be working on, so I go that direction, but Dan has good info on using the bounce and lots of other things, and there are plenty of posts you can find on here from guys that swear by his technique. Watch and see what you think.

[naj959]

I purchased both and I think it's helpful to have to different perspective on a similar technique. I was recently struggling with Monte's method so I tried something Dan posted about getting the hands moving away from the left pocket through the strike. I was instantly fixed and was keeping the culhbhead lower to the ground longer. I have a tendency to get steep and cut across it so swinging out helps me to be shallow and use the bounce. I'm no expert but I really do believe you can experiment with the two and blend both to have a solid short game.

[Slothead]

[quote]I purchased both and I think it's helpful to have to different perspective on a similar technique.[/quote]

agree. always nice to have a pro perspective in the mix too- one of the best short gamers the game ever saw,

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om5uhnjksVI[/media]

[Ghost of Snead]

[quote name='Slothead' timestamp='1441932162' post='12296638']
[quote]I purchased both and I think it's helpful to have to different perspective on a similar technique.[/quote]

agree. always nice to have a pro perspective in the mix too- one of the best short gamers the game ever saw,

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om5uhnjksVI[/media]
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This thread is specific to ITeach's short game technique. Start your own thread if you want folks to see how Seve did it.

[Slothead]

that may well be, but just within the first six pages there were contributions in a comparative nature from Joe Mayo, Grant Waite, Ben Crane, and Stan Utley. additionally, Monte's name was brought into the discussion in a comparative manner in post #633 which led to a poster raising the issue of examining different perspectives. so it appears the thread is, and has been, open to the inspection of other techniques in comparison.

thus, the inclusion of Mr. Ballesteros who, i am sure you would agree, took a backseat to no one when it came to short game wizardry, and why any rational discussion would not include that examination as either a stand alone item, or by direct comparison, would appear to be silly.

that is my opinion.

[Ghost of Snead]

[quote name='Slothead' timestamp='1441935230' post='12296912']
that may well be, but just within the first six pages there were [b]contributions in a comparative nature[/b] from Joe Mayo, Grant Waite, Ben Crane, and Stan Utley. additionally, Monte's name was brought into the discussion in a [b]comparative manner[/b] in post #633 which led to a poster raising the issue of examining different perspectives. so it appears the thread is, and has been, open to the inspection of other techniques [b]in comparison[/b].

thus, the inclusion of Mr. Ballesteros, who i am sure you would agree took a backseat to no one when it came to short game wizardry, and why any rational discussion would not include that examination as a stand alone item, or by direct comparison, would appear to be silly.
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Then by all means, compare Iteach's method with that of Mr. Ballesteros. Anxiously awaiting your technique analysis but I suspect I and any others will be waiting for awhile.

[Slothead]

the video was for those who need assistance on the short game. the issue of a "different perspective" was not raised by me. instead it was raised by a poster who purchased iteach's video after somewhat failing with Monte's version and claimed it is good to have additional perspective. they can use it as they wish, or not, their choice to bounce Seve's ideas off what they purchased against another perspective.

the people struggling with the small game can decide on their own, using their own initiative to review the material and come to their own conclusion. I do not need to do that for them.

[golfie1]

Slot. your envy and spite know no boundaries. It is tiresome.

[Slothead]

[quote]I'd put my shortgame against almost anyone's and those who have seen it in person would agree.[/quote]

who would you not put your short game skills against?

[Babydaddy]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1383264359' post='8086072']
It is great to have these videos to go back and refer to for the mentally challenged like myself and BigD.

One thing I will say in regards to Utley vs Dan. If I recall correctly, and it has been several years since I read Utley's books and used his method, or tried to anyway unsuccessfully, is that Stan talks about bending the right elbow and pulling the elbow back behind you, which makes the club work around you. Dan wanted me to feel like my right elbow never bends, just like my full swing, so the club stays lower, shallower, and wider than the Utley lawnmower pulling motion of the right elbow bending. Big difference in why I have zero success with the Ultey method and have saw great improvement with Dan's method.


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Very, very interesting- I've really, really studied and applied Utley's teachings- just last night I wrote down in my practice journal "in Utley's teachings a soft right arm is crucial"

I get too much out on the line trying to make what I perceive as a mini- version of my normal swing. Your comment and Dan's teaching here kind of helps explain that!

[bmrowe]

I have been trying a combo of this technique and monte's short game video and been really inconsistent. In reading through this thread, I saw the recommendation of picking up a ping glide ts wedge. I bought one at 58 degrees and had it bent to 60.

With this wedge it is sooooo much easier to do these techniques. I was using the LW that came in the G25 set and I would either chunk a shot or blade one over the green if I didn't get my timing just right. Now, on at least 80% of my tries, I am getting nice high easy chips. Pretty awesome!

Anyways, just wanted to share my experience and thank this thread for existing!

[QB74]

[quote name='bmrowe' timestamp='1442112986' post='12306220']
I have been trying a combo of this technique and monte's short game video and been really inconsistent. In reading through this thread, I saw the recommendation of picking up a ping glide ts wedge. I bought one at 58 degrees and had it bent to 60.

With this wedge it is sooooo much easier to do these techniques. I was using the LW that came in the G25 set and I would either chunk a shot or blade one over the green if I didn't get my timing just right. Now, on at least 80% of my tries, I am getting nice high easy chips. Pretty awesome!

Anyways, just wanted to share my experience and thank this thread for existing!
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Thank you. I'm going to stick with one method now as I'm getting pretty good results so far. As Dan said, rabbit ears can be detrimental to ones game.

[jerebear21]

played a big money game over the weekend at Black Diamonds. I had nothing. And I mean absolutely nothing. I couldn't drive. I couldn't hit irons where I wanted. The pressure and tension of the money was like "wtf, I can't believe I'm going to lose XXX amount of money. literally every time i stepped up to my driver or iron shot my heart was about to explode.

the only reason why I won was because of short game and putting. i bought both videos of monte and dan. incorporated into my own technique. i didnt' chunk or thin one single wedge shot. I been practicing their shallowing technique for awhile now so it's more ingrained than this new swing change. under pressure it's the best.

[IMAway]

Dan or anyone else who may know.... how do the Scor wedges with the V-sole work with this method?

[IMAway]

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Dan or anyone else who may know.... how do the Scor wedges with the V-sole work with this method?
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I guess no one really knows the answer. I sure as heck don't otherwise I wouldn't be asking. I've asked similar questions in Monte's short game thread considering his method also "uses the bounce" and never received an answer there either. Looks like it will remain a mystery.

[gwlee7]

I am not going to reread the whole thread but I think he does talk about them somewhere in here. That being said, they should work okay since they have a similar sole to what he advocates.

[IMAway]

[quote name='gwlee7' timestamp='1443132580' post='12363458']
I am not going to reread the whole thread but I think he does talk about them somewhere in here. That being said, they should work okay since they have a similar sole to what he advocates.
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I didnt' see it anywhere. I read the whole thread and nothing about the Scor wedges. Which is somewhat surprising considering they seemed popular at one point...

[MakAttack]

How would the new tour preferred atv grinds work with this style? Do they have enough bounce? I really like the "killed" leading edge the have but the seem to dig a bit for me in some situations. Anyone have success with them while using dans technique?

[Noke]

Not sure about the new ATV grind, but I play the original and have had no issues. Bounce is probably a little too far back but the blunted edge does its job.

I love Dan's method. Having a consistent ball position and knowing that I'm using the tool correctly are both big confidence boosters. Now for me it comes down to hitting it hard enough.

[ccorrada]

Dan, do you have any thoughts on the Scor wedges? It seems like the super high leading bounce would work great with your technique.

[QB74]

Quick question about the video quality, does the paid version also has the wind noise as in Dan's YouTube vids?

[ferreta]

[quote name='QB74' timestamp='1444246003' post='12423720']
Quick question about the video quality, does the paid version also has the wind noise as in Dan's YouTube vids?
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I don't remember it being an issue like that one with the really loud car.

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='QB74' timestamp='1444246003' post='12423720']
Quick question about the video quality, does the paid version also has the wind noise as in Dan's YouTube vids?
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No. The paid ones are filmed in HD with 3 camera and audio is perfectly clear. Filmed by film crew and edited at a considerable expense. There is a free video of one of the segments that you can see.

The others with wind noise were filmed with a point at shoot camer and no microphone. Hence why it's free. Cost nothing to make. To compare the two would be ridiculous

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='ccorrada' timestamp='1444156327' post='12418784']
Dan, do you have any thoughts on the Scor wedges? It seems like the super high leading bounce would work great with your technique.
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Not a fan but you can use whatever you wish. Any wedge will work. Some will work better. Been stated many times over my preferences wedge wise. I demonstrate sometimes with a long iron, the technique works with any club. Some just make it much easier

[ccorrada]

[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1444251751' post='12424220']
[quote name='ccorrada' timestamp='1444156327' post='12418784']
Dan, do you have any thoughts on the Scor wedges? It seems like the super high leading bounce would work great with your technique.
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Not a fan but you can use whatever you wish. Any wedge will work. Some will work better. Been stated many times over my preferences wedge wise. I demonstrate sometimes with a long iron, the technique works with any club. Some just make it much easier
[/quote]Thanks Dan, can you elaborate why you are not a fan. I thought the very high leading edge bounce would make this shot easy but it doesn't.

[Artvandalay22]

[quote name='QB74' timestamp='1444246003' post='12423720'] Quick question about the video quality, does the paid version also has the wind noise as in Dan's YouTube vids? [/quote]

The audio is way better than the youtube vids

[iteachgolf]

[quote name='ccorrada' timestamp='1444252420' post='12424266']
[quote name='iteachgolf' timestamp='1444251751' post='12424220']
[quote name='ccorrada' timestamp='1444156327' post='12418784']
Dan, do you have any thoughts on the Scor wedges? It seems like the super high leading bounce would work great with your technique.
[/quote]

Not a fan but you can use whatever you wish. Any wedge will work. Some will work better. Been stated many times over my preferences wedge wise. I demonstrate sometimes with a long iron, the technique works with any club. Some just make it much easier
[/quote]Thanks Dan, can you elaborate why you are not a fan. I thought the very high leading edge bounce would make this shot easy but it doesn't.
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It's not the bounce number. It's where it's located as well how wide the sole is combined with how much heel relief there is.