It just me or are a lot of pros switching to Nippon Iron Shafts?

[markheardjr]

[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
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I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.

[stealth24]

Just chiming in here - I was a DG loyalist, but after switching to Nippon I'm hooked. Fantastic feel, ballflight, and launch. I picked up a set off the BST for $110 and it's one of the best investments I've made in regard to equipment.

[nova6868]

Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks

 

I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.

 

The 1150 is sort of a unique profile, not really a consistent loss of stiffness like the KBS shafts. But I agree, the Modus 130 is almost identical to the KBS Tour-V, just heavier.

 

 

 

 

[swizbeatz]

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Anyone with experience with both super peenings and modus? I'd be curious to hear any differences you found.
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I think the Modus line they really started tinkering with wall thicknesses and weight distribution. The SPB for example is pretty heavy and stout thru-ought the shaft. The 2S14 they beefed up the thickness of the butt/tip section and made a shaft that performs like a SPB but feels much smoother because the middle section is softer. I think the 2S14 would be like a Modus 120 but 15g heavier. Same profile kind of. So you get similar performance and better feel. And then they do things like the 130 where you flip the conventional thinking on its head and you put a soft tip on a stiff butt/mid section by beefing up the wall thickness of mid section and thinning it on the tip. Other version they made they put all the weight near the grip sections of the shaft. I think the 2F15 was that way, slightly countered. I was warned not to butt trim them too short because all the weight was in the butt of the shaft.
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Awesome info. Does the modus line not compare to the Orange at all then? In my testing the felt like a slightly beefed up version of the common 950/1050 that are supposedly higher launching.

[markheardjr]

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[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416426296' post='10473569']
[quote name='swizbeatz' timestamp='1416410898' post='10471999']
Anyone with experience with both super peenings and modus? I'd be curious to hear any differences you found.
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I think the Modus line they really started tinkering with wall thicknesses and weight distribution. The SPB for example is pretty heavy and stout thru-ought the shaft. The 2S14 they beefed up the thickness of the butt/tip section and made a shaft that performs like a SPB but feels much smoother because the middle section is softer. I think the 2S14 would be like a Modus 120 but 15g heavier. Same profile kind of. So you get similar performance and better feel. And then they do things like the 130 where you flip the conventional thinking on its head and you put a soft tip on a stiff butt/mid section by beefing up the wall thickness of mid section and thinning it on the tip. Other version they made they put all the weight near the grip sections of the shaft. I think the 2F15 was that way, slightly countered. I was warned not to butt trim them too short because all the weight was in the butt of the shaft.
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Awesome info. Does the modus line not compare to the Orange at all then? In my testing the felt like a slightly beefed up version of the common 950/1050 that are supposedly higher launching.
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I think the 120 & 125 are like the Orange. The ORA was basically an Orange 2.0 and C10 protos were similar step patterns. Stiff butt, stiff tip, softer mid. Might just be weight differences. Not too sure. I have only hit the SPO a few times, didnt' care for them too much. The SPB was closer to what I liked, but they were a bit harsh in the tip. The 130 is exactly what I wanted, for a guy who picks it clean and hits a little thin, the 130's are awesome.

[shiftydraw2]

Sorry I don't know too much about shafts, what would someone who is currently playing PXi 6.0s go to?

[SwooshLT]

[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416432878' post='10474227']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
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I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.
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But the 120 should feel better than c taper right?

[sheppy335]

[quote name='shiftydraw2' timestamp='1416447115' post='10475447']
Sorry I don't know too much about shafts, what would someone who is currently playing PXi 6.0s go to?
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From what i read and when i asked the same thing they told me the 130 in either s or X. You could go either way based on feel.

[vertigo88]

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[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416432878' post='10474227']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
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I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.
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But the 120 should feel better than c taper right?
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I feel that isn't a difficult requirement - C-Tapers perform but feel like lead pipe.

[gioguy21]

[quote name='SwooshLT' timestamp='1416509632' post='10478927']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416432878' post='10474227']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
[/quote]

I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.
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But the 120 should feel better than c taper right?
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completely different shafts and profiles. the 120 feels dramatically different...softer, smoother and easier to load...the c taper is a bit harsher feedback, can be tougher to load and doesn't give the smooth buttery feel through the golf ball that the 120 provides.

[SwooshLT]

[quote name='gioguy21' timestamp='1416513157' post='10479239']
[quote name='SwooshLT' timestamp='1416509632' post='10478927']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416432878' post='10474227']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
[/quote]

I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.
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But the 120 should feel better than c taper right?
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completely different shafts and profiles. the 120 feels dramatically different...softer, smoother and easier to load...the c taper is a bit harsher feedback, can be tougher to load and doesn't give the smooth buttery feel through the golf ball that the 120 provides.
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Wanted to make sure his comparison was the same as most people. ....c taper is a tight shaft and comparing it to modus. ....well I wanted to hear that atleast he felt modus feeling better than.

[gioguy21]

Swoosh - the modus pairing with the PC's is really, really good. i'm waiting for mine to be built at the moment but i will be posting about them once recieved and played with a little

[FLGOLFJUNKIE]

I had a set of nippons on an old set of MX-200's and they gave me the ballflight I so desire. I think they were the NS Pro 950 GH if I'm not mistaken. Spun a bit too much but ballflight was perfect.

[p3ga]

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[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416246968' post='10461195']
I've been playing the prototypes for 2 years now. Nippon set out to make a TON of different shafts that fit all kinds of players. So far we only have 3 of these prototypes come to retail, the 120, 130 and now the 125. The prototypes have some amazing specs that you just can't get anywhere else.
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Thanks for the great info. Are the 120,125, and 130 prototypes you're referring to the Modus line, or are they a different model?
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120, 125, and 130 are the retail versions. 130 I know for sure as called the 2G18 in the proto lineup. The 125 may or may not be the C10. 120 is close to the ORA, but I think is tweaked to be weaker than the proto. I'd love to have Lee or a Nippon rep on GolfWRX to help us hash out all the protos. Maybe give out a few sets of the 125's to try. I also have some of the WV125 wedge shafts, but I don't prefer their feel. Feels a little too heavy near the grip to me. The 130stiff is turning out to be a great wedge shaft, I highly suggest it. The C10 has been in my 56° for 2 years now. If the 125 is in fact the C10, I would buy a gap wedge & lob wedge ASAP to match. For now, the 130 is working great in those since I couldn't get my hands on more C10's in stiff.
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Interested in the 130 for my wedges - so I should look for the 2G18? Want to go with something just a little lighter than my X100s but obviously a little softer to flex as well.
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You should take a look at WV 115. Nippon makes special wedge shafts. Wv115 is lighter than x100 and has tons of feel for wedge shots. I currently use WV125
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I play Nippon 1050's in my Srixon Z Stars & reshafted my 50 & 56 Wilson FG Tour TC's wedges with the WV 115 shafts - wonderful, seamless, transition between the irons and wedges. Love 'em.

[markheardjr]

Sorry I don't know too much about shafts, what would someone who is currently playing PXi 6.0s go to?

 

From what i read and when i asked the same thing they told me the 130 in either s or X. You could go either way based on feel.

 

No. PXi 6.0 would not be 130x. Maybe PXi 7.0 would be 130x. I'd say closer to a 130R straight or hardstepped once or a 130s double soft stepped. PX loses stiffness gradually towards tip. Modus130 would be like a PXi but with a beefier mid-section for more control, flatter apex. PXi is 112g and Modus 130s is 124g.

 

 

[knock it close]

I'm pretty intrigued with the 125, might have to give them a shot come spring.

[phizzy30]

[quote name='gioguy21' timestamp='1416513157' post='10479239']
[quote name='SwooshLT' timestamp='1416509632' post='10478927']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416432878' post='10474227']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
[/quote]

I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.
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But the 120 should feel better than c taper right?
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completely different shafts and profiles. the 120 feels dramatically different...softer, smoother and easier to load...the c taper is a bit harsher feedback, can be tougher to load and doesn't give the smooth buttery feel through the golf ball that the 120 provides.
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I felt like the c-tapers were similar to the modus 130. Better fit for guys who really load the shaft hard and like a low-mid trajectory which is why I gamed them for years. Mine were S+, but I did try the X and that felt like rebar. the S and S+ did have some feel to it. The modus 120's seemed to launch higher, definitely spun more, and had more feel to it compared to the c-tapers. I'd say your assessment is spot on.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='phizzy30' timestamp='1416530623' post='10480573']
[quote name='gioguy21' timestamp='1416513157' post='10479239']
[quote name='SwooshLT' timestamp='1416509632' post='10478927']
[quote name='markheardjr' timestamp='1416432878' post='10474227']
[quote name='sheldonjhacker' timestamp='1416427733' post='10473729']
Which Nippon is most like the KBS Tours? thanks
[/quote]

I'd probably go back to something like an 1150 GH Tour for a KBS Tour type. I'd say the Modus 130 is like the KBS Tour V and the Modus 120 maybe similar to the C-Taper although the SPB is probably closest to a C-taper for feel/launch.
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But the 120 should feel better than c taper right?
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completely different shafts and profiles. the 120 feels dramatically different...softer, smoother and easier to load...the c taper is a bit harsher feedback, can be tougher to load and doesn't give the smooth buttery feel through the golf ball that the 120 provides.
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I felt like the c-tapers were similar to the modus 130. Better fit for guys who really load the shaft hard and like a low-mid trajectory which is why I gamed them for years. Mine were S+, but I did try the X and that felt like rebar. the S and S+ did have some feel to it. The modus 120's seemed to launch higher, definitely spun more, and had more feel to it compared to the c-tapers. I'd say your assessment is spot on.
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C-Tapers & 130s are similar in that I would suggest you go down a half to full flex. The 120 I'd suggest the opposite, up a half to full flex. I have hit the C-Taper S+ and the 130-Stiff side by side. You couldn't pay me to game the C-Taper and you'd have to pay me a lot to NOT game the 130. 130's are smooth smooth smooth. It took me maybe 4-6 weeks to get used to the 130's though, so give them an extended run in the bag. At first they felt "mushy" because they were so smooth, especially near the tip. But I got used to it.120 is softer, but it launches lower than 130 with similar spin. 130 launch higher but has a flatter apex. The 120 flexes in the middle of the shaft and delofts the clubface but the overall softness creates a bit higher spin than the 130. 130 flexes right at the tip and the clubface may strike with more loft, but the overall spin is lower because the overall stiffness of the shaft. So the 120's you hit were probably too weak for you. Probably should have tried 120X if you are a C-Taper S or S+ player.

[gioguy21]

I have 120Xs coming...I had previously PX 6.5. Such a better choice for my game and to be honest its very hard to beat the dispersion w the modus. Even on a trackman it was impressive.

[cz13X4]

played the 950s and liked them. Have played the SPB stiff for a long time with a few shafts in between. It is by far my favorite shaft. Unfortunately, the irons I ordered didn't offer it as an option, so I went with modus 120 in x as a no charge upgrade. Haven't hit them before so it will be interesting. Really would like the 2S14 to try out!

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Got notification that my Tour 120 TX have left California...will have them on Wednesday. Time to start popping heads off the old shafts and getting both cleaned up for the new arrivals. Coming from S+ Ctapers SS, going to go straight in with the 120 TX. Want to feel like I can be aggressive with these but not a full speed if that makes sense!

[Hstead]

My next set will most likely have 130 S in them. I have SPB Xs now and love them I played DG X100 for 20 years then switched to the C-taper S+ and now to the SPB X. I tried the Modus 3 120 X and hated them. Launched too high and spun too much for me, and I couldn't keep them in the same hemisphere. I liked the SPO okay but they also launched too high and spun too much. The SPB is the lowest launching shaft I have ever played, it almost launches too low. Great shaft though. I tried the WV115 and hated it. KBS Wedge S is my favorite wedge shaft after much experimenting. Can't wait to give the Modus 3 130 S a run. I am scared of the X since Mark says they are so stiff. I have always played X shafts with the exception of the Ctaper because the X in it is way stiff and I like to hit 3/4 and half shots which I couldn't do at all with the Ctaper X.

[Rodabodem]

So, the Modus 130 will launch like project x? Is it low spin? What's the fcm?

[Pastor201]

I just ordered the Nippon N.S. Pro GH 950's in my Nike vapor pro irons can't wait to get them

[squishyy]

Here are the Nippon shafts that I am playing:


Epon AF302 3-PW Nippon Super Peening Blue Stiff
Epon AF503 4-PW Nippon Super Peening Blue Stiff
Epon SUS316 3-PW Nippon Modus Tour 130 Stiff



Still waiting for a person to sell a set of 3-PW Modus Tour 120. I am also waiting until the Modus 125s are available. So...yea...all Nippon.

[phizzy30]

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Here are the Nippon shafts that I am playing:


Epon AF302 3-PW Nippon Super Peening Blue Stiff
Epon AF503 4-PW Nippon Super Peening Blue Stiff
Epon SUS316 3-PW Nippon Modus Tour 130 Stiff



Still waiting for a person to sell a set of 3-PW Modus Tour 120. I am also waiting until the Modus 125s are available. So...yea...all Nippon.
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Modus 125's are already out on fleabay.

[markheardjr]

[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1416537232' post='10481147']
My next set will most likely have 130 S in them. I have SPB Xs now and love them I played DG X100 for 20 years then switched to the C-taper S+ and now to the SPB X. I tried the Modus 3 120 X and hated them. Launched too high and spun too much for me, and I couldn't keep them in the same hemisphere. I liked the SPO okay but they also launched too high and spun too much. The SPB is the lowest launching shaft I have ever played, it almost launches too low. Great shaft though. I tried the WV115 and hated it. KBS Wedge S is my favorite wedge shaft after much experimenting. Can't wait to give the Modus 3 130 S a run. I am scared of the X since Mark says they are so stiff. I have always played X shafts with the exception of the Ctaper because the X in it is way stiff and I like to hit 3/4 and half shots which I couldn't do at all with the Ctaper X.
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Where are you in Ohio? Wish I could have met up when I was back home in late Aug / early Sept. I had a 130s, 2G18, 130x, and a C10x with me. I grew up in Ashtabula area, played a ton of golf from Fowlers Mill to Peak n Peek for 10 days.The 130X I have in a set of 2005 TP's are crazy stiff. pga_apprentice tried them too and I've never seen him shy away from anything "too stiff." He hit it once and said "Holy $hit, that's so crazy stiff." I literally hit a 7i from 160y and it maybe went 60 feet high, carried the middle of the green and didnt' even think once about checking or stopping, released and rolled straight off the back of the green. My hands were stinging but I hit it center of the face. I've never swung a steel shaft that did not flex. I swear that thing didn't even bend during my swing. I have played DGX700's before and I think the X700's spun more than the 130x's I have. Yikes. I have seen the 130x used in a set of AP2's and that guy creamed the ball. He hit a 5i 215y uphill into a short par5, great shot, but the ball released off the back of the green. Those 130x's are low spin monsters! I still have a set of 2S14's in stiff. May end up selling them soon, but if you liked the SPB, those should be your holy grail. I played them in both S and X and both are manageable stiffness-wise. Not overly stiff or overly soft, just crazy heavy and low launch / low-ish spin. Rumor was the tour guys loved them but they were too heavy for how many balls they are banging on the range day in day out. Vijay used them but ended up opting for a lighter version. On hot tired days, if you have a long pre-range session or you play 36holes, the shafts were a bit too heavy by the end of the day. Really messed with my timing when I was tired. But every other normal day they were awesome.

[Hstead]

I am in southern-Ohio, along the river. If I could make a perfect shaft, it would feel like the SPB, launch slightly higher, and be 10 grams lighter.

[markheardjr]

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I am in southern-Ohio, along the river. If I could make a perfect shaft, it would feel like the SPB, launch slightly higher, and be 10 grams lighter.
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What flex SPO did you try? If it was Stiff, I'd suggest trying X and soft stepped once. Or the ORA prototype in X might be worth a shot.

[Guv280984]

Thinking about putting some Modus shafts in my MP-15's. Currently gaming PX 6.0 but want something with a bit more feel.

My 6 iron swing speed is around 92 MPH and I would say I load the club well with an early release. From reading this I would be best suited to 120's but don't know to go with S or X.

Any suggestions and thoughts would be welcome?