Gary Player on Tiger

[JaxBeachNole]

For the record I disagree with him.

http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/13300324/gary-player-hopes-tiger-woods-rebound-says-golf-needs-black-champion

[hell_is_chrome]

What do you disagree with?

[OTTgolf]

Gary Player doesn't sugar coat his opinions, ever. I certainly don't think it would hurt the game if Tiger made a come back, duh.

[Ping_Ho]

numbers don't lie.
I agree with Mr. Player 100%

[John L.]

Sounds fair to me. If you like Gary or not, he is a wealth of knowledge.

[golfheaven69]

I can't believe I read an article from Player where he didn't talk about how many times he's won around the world. Quite shocking.

Oh yea, I agree with him.

[PinonMagnolia]

I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

[MadGolfer76]

We've had a non-white world number 1 for like...17 years? Even when Tiger got displaced it was by Vijay Singh. What more does Player want? It isn't just about the faces anymore, it is about access.

[Brad Thor]

[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.


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You must have missed the original Tiger Woods ad campaign that made sure he was not marketed as just some guy, but a guy where clubs had refused to let him play their course due to the color of his skin.

[PinonMagnolia]

[quote name='Brad Thor' timestamp='1437606611' post='12002570']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.


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You must have missed the original Tiger Woods ad campaign that made sure he was not marketed as just some guy, but a guy where clubs had refused to let him play their course due to the color of his skin.
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I didn't miss it, but I know that was two decades ago. I'd say Tiger has changed since then. I'd like to say we as people have reached beyond color in that period, but it is more than clear that we haven't with the news these days.

[rex235]

For the record-

Jack Nicklaus won 2 majors in 1980 after turning 40, and the Masters after turning 46. Some writers thought Jack was "washed up" too.

Ben Hogan won those 3 consecutive majors in 1953, his 41st year.
Only Jack Fleck kept him from winning that 5th US Open in 1955-his 43rd year.

And Tom Watson was just under 8 feet from winning the 2009 British Open Championship, weeks before turning.. 60?.

Julius Boros won the PGA in his late 40s....

Great players do great things in their 40s.

Tiger turns 40 the last week of this year.

Gary Player is correct - "Time will tell.."

[farmer]

My only disagreement is with the notion that only a major champion is qualified to teach Tiger. Winning a major, or even several, does not necessarily make a teacher. If you got Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Trevino, the original TW together, they would each have their own ideas for the fix. That would be a fascinating conversation, but could end up with pistols at dawn.

[Redhill]

Gary Player seems to be afraid that history will not magnify his record enough and needs to be constantly reminded people of how great he was. He has become the suppository of all knowledge concerning his record and wants all to know it.

Usually I pay no attention to his comments and continue to do so.

[duffer987]

[quote name='Redhill' timestamp='1437607884' post='12002688']
Gary Player seems to be afraid that history will not magnify his record enough and needs to be constantly reminded people of how great he was. He has become the supposity of all knowledge concerning his record and wants all to know it.

Usually I pay no attention to his comments and continue to do so.
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Yet here you are in a thread titled 'Gary Player on Tiger'.

[Cwing]

Normally I am not a Player fan. That said, he makes several valid points. Although he doesn't go into details, "Asia needs a man of color" or something to that effect. I'm guessing he us saying Tiger can be marketed as Asia due yo his mother.

His point about needing a champion as an instructor. Maybe a former champion can help his on course mental approach but most of the top instructors are not former players so I believe he is incorrect.

[OTTgolf]

[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
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What did Gary say that would erode any progress that we have made in regards to civil rights?

[klausdude]

Player is spot on with his comments. If one were to check the world news for different regions around the world, one would be surprised at the growth of the game at the grassroots level.

[Guia]

Never been a fan of Gary Player, but I think he has it right.

Tiger is too technical and too many lessons, and thoughts.

[PinonMagnolia]

[quote name='Josh Powell' timestamp='1437609449' post='12002884']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
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What did Gary say that would erode any progress that we have made in regards to civil rights?
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He is continuing to perpetuate the idea of color differences. At some point we're going to need to say we're all equal and we all have opportunity. He is giving credence to the idea that there is an actual divide among people based upon the color of their skin.

[OTTgolf]

[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437609756' post='12002914']
[quote name='Josh Powell' timestamp='1437609449' post='12002884']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
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What did Gary say that would erode any progress that we have made in regards to civil rights?
[/quote]

He is continuing to perpetuate the idea of color differences. At some point we're going to need to say we're all equal and we all have opportunity. He is giving credence to the idea that there is an actual divide among people based upon the color of their skin.
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He did not mention anything about racial equality or lack of it.

[bscinstnct]

[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437609756' post='12002914']
[quote name='Josh Powell' timestamp='1437609449' post='12002884']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
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What did Gary say that would erode any progress that we have made in regards to civil rights?
[/quote]

He is continuing to perpetuate the idea of color differences. At some point we're going to need to say we're all equal and we all have opportunity. He is giving credence to the idea that there is an actual divide among people based upon the color of their skin.
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There is.

You can be dogmatic that there is not but that is not reality. There are layers of thought process, generational and geographic considerations.

Player is from South Africa. He innately understands the issues.

You take a guy like TW. He continues to breaks color barriers on the shoulders of those brave ones before him. He opens the doors to many conversations and ideas through his accomplishments.

Life is not a school book ; )

[redfirebird08]

I don't think the racial aspect of it is even necessary to point out. What would be better to say is that golf could be even more interesting with him in the mix among guys like Spieth, McIlroy, Rose, Scott, Day, Fowler, etc. But it seems his time is up and that's OK too.

[MarkCPA]

Gary could be doing something constructive like push ups or telling us how fat American kids are. I guess not.

[richard t]

First, lets check Gary Player's record in South Africa. He is no bigot/racist. Spoke early and often on South African Civil Rights. Secondly, like him or not he does have one hell of a resume in golf history. No, no, no he;s not Tiger but how many are better. We had Jones and Hagen and Sarazen. Then we had Nelson, Snead and Hogan. Then it was Palmer, Nicklaus and Player and of course Watson and Trevino. So we had the Tiger era. Well, if no one has looked there are a lot of young, unafraid/intimidated, new kids on the block who will usher in another era.
Player is spot on. Time will tell but the tide will wait for no one.

[crazy8golfer]

Always amazed at why race has to discussed. May the best golfer win !

[PZero]

[quote name='crazy8golfer' timestamp='1437616797' post='12003568']
Always amazed at why race has to discussed. May the best golfer win !
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Exactly!

[bscinstnct]

[quote name='crazy8golfer' timestamp='1437616797' post='12003568']
Always amazed at why race has to discussed. May the best golfer win !
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According to Gary,

"Go to Africa, where we've got all these young black kids used to seeing a white guy as the champion. Now they're getting inspired; they're sitting in front of their TV sets. It inspires them; it gets them interested in golf.

"Asia wants to see a man of color. So there are many reasons besides being so charismatic. I don't know if anybody in the world today can play like Tiger Woods did."

[hell_is_chrome]

[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437609756' post='12002914']
[quote name='Josh Powell' timestamp='1437609449' post='12002884']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
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What did Gary say that would erode any progress that we have made in regards to civil rights?
[/quote]

He is continuing to perpetuate the idea of color differences. At some point we're going to need to say we're all equal and we all have opportunity. He is giving credence to the idea that there is an actual divide among people based upon the color of their skin.
[/quote]

You obviously haven't been paying attention. In the US there is still a divide in opportunity, not what it was 50 years ago but it's still there.

Also, Gary was talking about other countries, not the US, where there is still an even greater disparity.

[Brad Thor]

[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437606739' post='12002590']
[quote name='Brad Thor' timestamp='1437606611' post='12002570']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
[/quote]

You must have missed the original Tiger Woods ad campaign that made sure he was not marketed as just some guy, but a guy where clubs had refused to let him play their course due to the color of his skin.
[/quote]

I didn't miss it, but I know that was two decades ago. I'd say Tiger has changed since then. I'd like to say we as people have reached beyond color in that period, but it is more than clear that we haven't with the news these days.
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The ads were Nike, Woods did not have this opinion he allowed his sponsor to exploit his race in a contradictory way of his personal beliefs.

[Marand]

[quote name='Brad Thor' timestamp='1437618774' post='12003772']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437606739' post='12002590']
[quote name='Brad Thor' timestamp='1437606611' post='12002570']
[quote name='PinonMagnolia' timestamp='1437604999' post='12002450']
I agree that we need Tiger back, but I disagree with Gary on a few things. One, I don't think anyone benefits from the rigid categorization of color with people. Tiger has even said he is just a person. Tiger is more Asian than he is black, so to align Tiger with literal Africans who have dark black skin is a stretch. He looks more like a tanned Caucasian golfer than he does a native African.

At some point, all of this color stuff has to stop. We're all just humans, whether gay, brown, white, black, or however we choose to identify. Our country made huge strides this past month by allowing gay folks equal rights, we're moving forward. All of this white v. black stuff is just eroding progress we've made over the last 50 years in civil rights.
[/quote]

You must have missed the original Tiger Woods ad campaign that made sure he was not marketed as just some guy, but a guy where clubs had refused to let him play their course due to the color of his skin.
[/quote]

I didn't miss it, but I know that was two decades ago. I'd say Tiger has changed since then. I'd like to say we as people have reached beyond color in that period, but it is more than clear that we haven't with the news these days.
[/quote]


The ads were Nike, Woods did not have this opinion he allowed his sponsor to exploit his race in a contradictory way of his personal beliefs.
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So, he sacrificed his principles for money?