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Interesting that the Epic Sub Zero currently has more votes than the standard Epic. Way more tour play with the standard and I've heard retail sales are at least 3 to 1. Maybe even higher.

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[size=3]Driver: Callaway Rogue Sub-Zero 10.5* - Aldila Rogue Max 75x[/size]
[size=3]3 Wood: Callaway Epic 15* - Aldila Rogue Max 85x[/size]
[size=3]2-PW: Callaway X-Prototype MBs - Project X 6.5 flighted[/size]
[size=3]52* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind[/size]
[size=3]58* Wedge: Callaway MD2 Slate S Grind[/size]
[size=3]Putter: Odyssey Sabertooth[/size]

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I voted M1 - the best for me, Epic SZ- the best seemingly for the guys here, and the Ping G - which is likely the best blend for those shopping off the rack.

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Wonder how much it will change once the new ping driver comes.

 

Me too. The G is awesome but I agree with many that it's not the best sounding/feeling. They improve that, along with what other tech is in it, and I'd probably buy it.

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Didnt vote for any of them.

 

Best of this lot are M1 and Cally Epic I suspect, but I have tried both and they cant "hold a candle" to my Cally V series 9.5 with Speeder 565 stiff for a 95 MPH swing speed.

 

My thoughts on the new tech? If Callaway made a proper titanium crown in the first place, they wouldnt get "Crown distortion" at impact and the jailbreak bars would be redundant. Its a case of; fix a weak crown with an otherwise unnecessary feature which probably creates other imbalances!

 

Bet you all two bob that this feature will quietly disappear within two club cycles! :derisive:

So I am curious why you say this... clearly you aren't familiar with MOI and Discretionary weighting then... A thicker / heavier crown takes weight away from the balance and perimeter of the club, reducing its MOI and making it less forgiving. This is the reason for the carbon crown anyways... reduce weight drastically over titanium and make the club more forgiving.

 

The technology won't go away, but I can see it being modified.

 

Also, The new Jailbreak Technology has proven to increase ball speeds on both robots and HUMANS! So essentially what your saying is no company has ever made a reasonable titanium crown, because no titanium crown driver ever made offers what Jailbreak does.

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Wonder how much it will change once the new ping driver comes.

 

Me too. The G is awesome but I agree with many that it's not the best sounding/feeling. They improve that, along with what other tech is in it, and I'd probably buy it.

So they should improve the sound, feel and tech? sounds like your saying they just need to start over haha!

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I voted Epic SZ, Epic, then M1 460. I also tested the M1 440 and M2. I've owned the LTD Pro and last years M2 was better IMO. I didn't see much difference between last years M2 vs this years.

 

In the end, it always comes down to what helps me most with my miss. Both Epic's did this best. I had pretty similar results with all of the M's on good for good but off center strikes weren't as friendly with the TM's.

 

The real battle was between the two Epic's.

 

This would be a interesting poll 5 months from now.

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I voted for the JPX 900 mainly because I'm just really impressed with the design, the stock shaft, and its beautiful. And yeah it goes straight too. I currently game the 16 M2 and won't be changing anytime soon, but of the new drivers the one I'd really like to try is fhe f7. The LTD was awesome but the setup just didn't suit my eye. If the f7 has even the slightest improvement over the LtD than it's a huge winner. I guess I kind of want to hit the Epic too...

 

And I'm not sure if I was swinging poorly or tired or something when I hit the new M2, but the ball speeds were noticeably lower than what I get with the 16 version. Maybe it was the shaft.

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Epic SZ for me. I tested the 2017 M line, GBB Epic and Epic SZ, King Cobra F7+ and the 917 D2. Epic SZ was the one for me hands down.

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Jpx 900. Epic performance with a real speeder 757 at no upcharge. What's not to like ?

 

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Always been a Callaway guy. Epic with t1100 75g/6.5 vs 917 stock diamana 70x. I wished all i could, Epic still couldnt catch up. To me Titleist feels better, and has more adjustments. Now just curious how the t1100 will fit with the 917...or if i can get my hands on a dual core xt

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Professional fitting last week for a new Driver and Fairway wood. Fitting process determined shaft specs needed first, so then all heads hit using same specs.

 

Hit Titleist 917D2, Callaway Epic, Srixon (can't recall model), Mizuno JPX 900, TaylorMade M2 and Cobra King F7.

 

The F7 was clear winner, daylight second.

 

Lowest spinning, most accurate and longest Driver from the bunch.

 

Data measured by Trackman while I hit out onto a range, so actual ball flight could be observed.

 

I was totally surprised. Never had Cobra equipment. Never really considered it, but, WOW it has a massive stand out for me.

 

 

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Didnt vote for any of them.

 

Best of this lot are M1 and Cally Epic I suspect, but I have tried both and they cant "hold a candle" to my Cally V series 9.5 with Speeder 565 stiff for a 95 MPH swing speed.

 

My thoughts on the new tech? If Callaway made a proper titanium crown in the first place, they wouldnt get "Crown distortion" at impact and the jailbreak bars would be redundant. Its a case of; fix a weak crown with an otherwise unnecessary feature which probably creates other imbalances!

 

Bet you all two bob that this feature will quietly disappear within two club cycles! :derisive:

So I am curious why you say this... clearly you aren't familiar with MOI and Discretionary weighting then... A thicker / heavier crown takes weight away from the balance and perimeter of the club, reducing its MOI and making it less forgiving. This is the reason for the carbon crown anyways... reduce weight drastically over titanium and make the club more forgiving.

 

The technology won't go away, but I can see it being modified.

 

Also, The new Jailbreak Technology has proven to increase ball speeds on both robots and HUMANS! So essentially what your saying is no company has ever made a reasonable titanium crown, because no titanium crown driver ever made offers what Jailbreak does.

 

Didn't the old Ping ISI have to be grandfathered in after they set COR limits...because the flat crown had no distortion = faster ball speeds. ??

 

 

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Didnt vote for any of them.

 

Best of this lot are M1 and Cally Epic I suspect, but I have tried both and they cant "hold a candle" to my Cally V series 9.5 with Speeder 565 stiff for a 95 MPH swing speed.

 

My thoughts on the new tech? If Callaway made a proper titanium crown in the first place, they wouldnt get "Crown distortion" at impact and the jailbreak bars would be redundant. Its a case of; fix a weak crown with an otherwise unnecessary feature which probably creates other imbalances!

 

Bet you all two bob that this feature will quietly disappear within two club cycles! :derisive:

So I am curious why you say this... clearly you aren't familiar with MOI and Discretionary weighting then... A thicker / heavier crown takes weight away from the balance and perimeter of the club, reducing its MOI and making it less forgiving. This is the reason for the carbon crown anyways... reduce weight drastically over titanium and make the club more forgiving.

 

The technology won't go away, but I can see it being modified.

 

Also, The new Jailbreak Technology has proven to increase ball speeds on both robots and HUMANS! So essentially what your saying is no company has ever made a reasonable titanium crown, because no titanium crown driver ever made offers what Jailbreak does.

 

Didn't the old Ping ISI have to be grandfathered in after they set COR limits...because the flat crown had no distortion = faster ball speeds. ??

I borrowed one once in a medal. Hit 14 fairways and shot level par. My short game and putting was poor at the time. I don't recall why I didn't buy one, but without doubt the best titanium driver I've ever used. These days I hit about 5 fairways, often on adjacent holes, with my 915 D3. I used to hit my old steel warbird better than any of the titanium drivers I've used recently. Should probably try a shorter shaft.

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Wonder how much it will change once the new ping driver comes.

 

Me too. The G is awesome but I agree with many that it's not the best sounding/feeling. They improve that, along with what other tech is in it, and I'd probably buy it.

So they should improve the sound, feel and tech? sounds like your saying they just need to start over haha!

 

Improve the sound and feel. "Along with what other tech is in it": meaning: New tech is a given for a new driver.

 

That better for ya?

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Can we amend and the list and add the TM M2 2016 because it's better then all these drivers,,,,, lol

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Interesting that the Epic Sub Zero currently has more votes than the standard Epic. Way more tour play with the standard and I've heard retail sales are at least 3 to 1. Maybe even higher.

 

I agree. I think a lot of people on here think they need the SZ and never tested the regular Epic. Standard is superior IMO.

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Didnt vote for any of them.

 

Best of this lot are M1 and Cally Epic I suspect, but I have tried both and they cant "hold a candle" to my Cally V series 9.5 with Speeder 565 stiff for a 95 MPH swing speed.

 

My thoughts on the new tech? If Callaway made a proper titanium crown in the first place, they wouldnt get "Crown distortion" at impact and the jailbreak bars would be redundant. Its a case of; fix a weak crown with an otherwise unnecessary feature which probably creates other imbalances!

 

Bet you all two bob that this feature will quietly disappear within two club cycles! :derisive:

So I am curious why you say this... clearly you aren't familiar with MOI and Discretionary weighting then... A thicker / heavier crown takes weight away from the balance and perimeter of the club, reducing its MOI and making it less forgiving. This is the reason for the carbon crown anyways... reduce weight drastically over titanium and make the club more forgiving.

 

The technology won't go away, but I can see it being modified.

 

Also, The new Jailbreak Technology has proven to increase ball speeds on both robots and HUMANS! So essentially what your saying is no company has ever made a reasonable titanium crown, because no titanium crown driver ever made offers what Jailbreak does.

 

Didn't the old Ping ISI have to be grandfathered in after they set COR limits...because the flat crown had no distortion = faster ball speeds. ??

I am not sure about this but I had the Ping TiSI, ugly but I hit it a ton. That and the old Mactec NVG were bombers for me back in the day.

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I just recently was given a Titleist 917d3 in a golf tournament as a giveaway.

 

I am not a huge fan of picking a driver without testing it so I went to my local fitter and told him that I wanted to be fit for a driver.

 

He used Trackman and my results were as follows:

 

Titleist 915d3 (current driver)

-> Carry 249 yards, total yards 270

 

Titleist 917d3

-> Carry 255 yards, total yards 275 yards

 

Callaway Epic SubZero

-> Carry 266 yards, total yards 289 yards

 

The Epic SubZero was nearly 20 yards longer than my current driver which matched up to my experience on the golf course hitting a buddies Epic.

 

I don't remember all of my stats-

launch 13* average

Swing speed varied between 105mph

Angle of attach was 5* up

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My biggest issue is low spin. My average poor shot is 1700rpms. My highest spin was 2500rpms. The low spinning shots are basically knuckleballs.

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I voted Titleist D2, Epic Sub Zero and TM M2. I've hit all three plus a few others. Not much difference in overall distance between them and I do like the Titleist the most. Just something about how it feels to me and the flight I get the it. Fitting is key to any driver as I think the shaft has to fit the player more than the head does. I've demo'd the TM M2 twice & really like it too, but I broke the 2nd demo I half way through my round. The seam between the face and the crown cracked after hitting a drive too high on the face.

 

How did you break it?

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