JP Wedges are back

[AThompson_3]

I think you all are missing the point entirely. These aren't for the average golfer and never were meant to be. They are an exclusive product that use better materials, designed by one of the most intelligent wedge designers in the world. For my money he is second only to the Voke himself, and he fits you himself. These aren't meant to compete with SM6, RTX3, MD Milled, etc. they are there own market. These aren't even the same product market as PXG. This market is even smaller. Titleist knows the market for this due to the program they already have with Voke at the same price point. It's a genius idea. If you don't understand it, it's probably likely you aren't their target market.

 

I think it's more about affording this type of experience/product. They've done well with Vokey and JP will keep the momentum for them as Bob Vokey finishes his career. I"m sure at this point he's had enough of grinding wedges.

You're still missing the point. The target market can afford this. That's why they charge $2000. There are only 365 days in a year if they charged $700 for the whole experience a lot more people could afford that, but you wouldn't be fit by JP because there is only one JP. You are paying for the tour experience. If you can't afford it then buy something OTR like 99% of golfers can do. This isnt about making this available to the common person.

[AThompson_3]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

GTFO.

$2000 to get fit like a tour pro by the guy who fits Tour pros. That's cheap.

 

This isn't just another high end golf product. Three years went into the R&D of not only the head but also the fitting system. At $2000, you're getting fit for a set of three wedges on what will be recognized as the most advanced and comprehensive fitting system in golf. Not only fit, but fit by the guy that designed the head as well as the fitting system. It's probably about a four hours process. Then, the same guy will build them to your specs by hand while manipulating the internal weighting system so they are completely customized to you. From start to finish, there is no other service offered like this in golf, to this extent. All by the same guy, one by one. That guy is JP.

 

Having been through the JP Wedges fitting at TPI, I can tell you that the experience is priced accurately. Is it expensive? Yes it is. But the average consumer cannot make a phone call to an OEM and get what he is offering.

 

PREACH!!!

[AThompson_3]

All this for the clubs (wedges) that I hit from the worst lies. Bunkers with rocks, creek beds, cart paths, etc. Going to be tough to want to hit a $500 club off a not so good lie.

You know you get free relief from cart paths right?

[kekoa]

I've never even heard of these....when I saw JP - I thought briefly it meant Jack Pearsall.

 

$2K is high. But people are now buying PXG and I thought those were priced out too high.

 

If the fitting was with Jack Pearsall, I would easily pay the $2K just to meet him in person.

[BigHook25]

All this for the clubs (wedges) that I hit from the worst lies. Bunkers with rocks, creek beds, cart paths, etc. Going to be tough to want to hit a $500 club off a not so good lie.

You know you get free relief from cart paths right?

 

Not always. Some courses have more sand/hardpan cart paths where you don't get relief. Not a lot of courses, but there are some.

[rcain1us]

I am all for custom fitting but I never did understand the need for super custom wedges.

 

Yes grind and bounce matter to your swing, but how much different is a $400 wedge going to be getting you out of the sand then a $100 wedge, it's still 90% technique.

 

Yes, fill your gaps, yes get shafts that fit your set and yes I love the looks of the Miura K grind and what not but its all just bling

[Thrillhouse]

If you blink an eye at that price then you are not the target customer. The people interested in buying these are more concerned with finding the time to get to Carlsbad than they are with the price tag.

 

This.

 

If I was the sort of chap who could afford this (I'm not) then I'd do the $2000 for 3 wedges with vokey thing if vokey did the fitting and ground my wedges. That would be really cool.

 

If I was more into the JP wedges I'd probably do it with him too. This is clearly $2000 for the experience, not $2000 for the wedges.

[AThompson_3]

I am all for custom fitting but I never did understand the need for super custom wedges.

 

Yes grind and bounce matter to your swing, but how much different is a $400 wedge going to be getting you out of the sand then a $100 wedge, it's still 90% technique.

 

Yes, fill your gaps, yes get shafts that fit your set and yes I love the looks of the Miura K grind and what not but its all just bling

I'll put a Vokey K grind, S grind, and L grind in your hands and I bet you anything the K grind performs better. It's not just bling. The grinds really make a HUGE difference.

[tyorke1]

wedges last me 1-2 yr max, thats allot of money for clubs that wear out fast

[Fade]

Dang, I was thinking this was about the Wilson Staff JP (Joe Phillips) wedges.

[Yarra]

It looks like JP Wedges are coming back out of hiding! This link as well as new photos were posted to their FB page this morning.

 

https://www.jpwedges.com/

 

I'd be interested to see if these are available outside of the fitting experience. The price for that is just too rich for my blood!

 

Another issue for those who say, "Well, I will try them and sell them on eBay or WRX classified" ... used custom wedges don't have great resale. Buy 'em, Keep 'em.

 

Again, to me, buying used clubs unfitted for these kinds of offerings is as useless as buying used tour issue clubs not knowing their specs. People pay high-$ for the fitting and custom services that these companies provide to suit that particular player who bought it in the first place.

 

Would you buy a used taylor-made, custom-fit, hand-made Armani suit on eBay? For some reason, upon typing that Armani remark, the first thing that comes to mind is the image of those Instagram models, wannabes who pretends to have all these luxurious goods and travel luxuriously everywhere. :lol:

 

2000$usd for three custom hand made wedge.

 

Yeah it's pretty much a joke and going after the PXG crowd. I think more and more companies will offer high dollar lines after PXG showed there is a U.S. market for it.

I just don't see the high end market being as good as it was 4 or 5 years ago. Many of the biggest Ho's have slowed down or quit. It almost feels too late to the party. It's like everybody is looking for those few PXG players, and in my opinion many of those guys were late to the high end Ho game.

 

This is exactly the kind of thinking that big-box shop and manufacturers are thinking: big volumes. I think what JP and PXG are doing is quite the opposite, they are trying to get their customers quality club with quality fitting and that comes with a price. I'd rather pay for the quality I can play and enjoy, helping my game rather than paying for some company's advertising and endorsement expenses with false promises.

 

I kept on saying the same thing over and over: if all those companies' marketing slogans are true (gain 10 or more extra yards with every new driver they put in the market), we should all be in the 300 yards-mark by now.

[buckeyefl]

I think you all are missing the point entirely. These aren't for the average golfer and never were meant to be. They are an exclusive product that use better materials, designed by one of the most intelligent wedge designers in the world. For my money he is second only to the Voke himself, and he fits you himself. These aren't meant to compete with SM6, RTX3, MD Milled, etc. they are there own market. These aren't even the same product market as PXG. This market is even smaller. Titleist knows the market for this due to the program they already have with Voke at the same price point. It's a genius idea. If you don't understand it, it's probably likely you aren't their target market.

 

Different materials, not better. How does he earn second place in your mind? Vokey has a name and following built over decades , JP is only familiar to a very few who are really into such things and is known because of the cosmetics of his product. . People (most) will buy them for their ego just as with PXG and still be the same handicap as they were a year ago. Its only a genius idea because golfers in general are idiots when it comes to such things and have to feed their sandbagging, latest /greatest, if only i spend more cash it will make up for my lack of game mentality.

 

 

People can spend their money how thry like but lets just stop with the Parsons mentality of price equalling better performance or technology.

[buckeyefl]

This isn't just another high end golf product. Three years went into the R&D of not only the head but also the fitting system. At $2000, you're getting fit for a set of three wedges on what will be recognized as the most advanced and comprehensive fitting system in golf. Not only fit, but fit by the guy that designed the head as well as the fitting system. It's probably about a four hours process. Then, the same guy will build them to your specs by hand while manipulating the internal weighting system so they are completely customized to you. From start to finish, there is no other service offered like this in golf, to this extent. All by the same guy, one by one. That guy is JP.

 

Having been through the JP Wedges fitting at TPI, I can tell you that the experience is priced accurately. Is it expensive? Yes it is. But the average consumer cannot make a phone call to an OEM and get what he is offering.

 

 

The average golfer will also not benefit from such an extensive fitting either.

[Yarra]

The only thing that I find less appealing about this model, much like the Vokey Hand Grounds, is that I go through wedges. There needs to be a system in place for getting more wedges once someone has gone through the fitting. If I can pay Vokey or JP $2k, and then let's say $900/yr to get the same wedges recreated, I'm ok with it. But as it stands, it just doesn't make sense to me.

 

This is actually an excellent idea!!! Hope they see this and do it. Let's face it, 2K for a set of wedges is kind of steep, I agree. But the level of experience, services and products that you get is worth the asking price for those who can afford it. And to keep paying 2K overtime you need a replacement (you might not need to get re-evaluated by JP) is too much even for those who can afford it. Of course, some would not mind re-paying the 2K.

 

2k for wedges from a guy with a fancy logo and one mediocre pro on his About blurb. This is what golf is becoming....boutique expensive clubs. We wonder why the sport is shrinking....

 

I wonder why people are complaining about 2 companies that charges a few Ks to be the reason golf is shrinking. There are way more companies out there who doesn't charge thousands for you to buy their products if you can't afford these 2 companies. The option of boutique offerings are always there no matter where you go: hotels, etc. It is not that these boutique companies will replace off the rack items...

[buckeyefl]

I am all for custom fitting but I never did understand the need for super custom wedges.

 

Yes grind and bounce matter to your swing, but how much different is a $400 wedge going to be getting you out of the sand then a $100 wedge, it's still 90% technique.

 

Yes, fill your gaps, yes get shafts that fit your set and yes I love the looks of the Miura K grind and what not but its all just bling

I'll put a Vokey K grind, S grind, and L grind in your hands and I bet you anything the K grind performs better. It's not just bling. The grinds really make a HUGE difference.

You missed the part where he said grind and bounce matter? By the way thats a fools bet unless you are directing the comment at someone who's swing you know.

[EaglesGolf99]

Fan of JP. Cheering for him to succeed.

 

But. His original stuff looked 200x better.

 

But. Yes, another but. It's all about performance.

[Sean2]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

Perhaps, but you can pay $400 for a very good bottle of wine...or you can pay $20 for a very good bottle of wine. For some what Titleist is offering may be worth it...just like an executive PXG fitting is worth it to some (2 nights, 3 days -- $15,000). Which is all well and good...enjoy the game as you will and purchase what you like. l

 

I practice my short game incessantly and I can't see how these wedges/fitting would add a "wow!" factor to my short game.

[DaRiz]

Acushnet is really playing the long game on this one. Keep this guy buried under lock and key for years doing secret wedge experiments, then release him into the wild and make him do 3 fittings every day for a year so the company grabs what, $2M? hmmm

 

Im pretty sure the strategy here is to develop the next Bob Vokey right before our eyes, while simultaneously advancing the culture of getting fitted, as well as more technology into wedges (of which I am still unsure of my own opinion atm), all as a side biz. $$$!!! And while they are doing that, they can secretly squeeze the life out of Voke on the retail bench grinder until he is senile enough for them to take all of his money.

 

Can't wait to see what happens when (if) Scotty Cameron ever starts to show his age.

[nicoy3k]

anyone who shows up with 2k wedges is getting clowned on the course

[stryper]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

Nope, it's stupid...sorry.

 

Edit to add: and the resale value on these will be what? :dntknw:

[AThompson_3]

I think you all are missing the point entirely. These aren't for the average golfer and never were meant to be. They are an exclusive product that use better materials, designed by one of the most intelligent wedge designers in the world. For my money he is second only to the Voke himself, and he fits you himself. These aren't meant to compete with SM6, RTX3, MD Milled, etc. they are there own market. These aren't even the same product market as PXG. This market is even smaller. Titleist knows the market for this due to the program they already have with Voke at the same price point. It's a genius idea. If you don't understand it, it's probably likely you aren't their target market.

 

Different materials, not better. How does he earn second place in your mind? Vokey has a name and following built over decades , JP is only familiar to a very few who are really into such things and is known because of the cosmetics of his product. . People (most) will buy them for their ego just as with PXG and still be the same handicap as they were a year ago. Its only a genius idea because golfers in general are idiots when it comes to such things and have to feed their sandbagging, latest /greatest, if only i spend more cash it will make up for my lack of game mentality.

 

 

People can spend their money how thry like but lets just stop with the Parsons mentality of price equalling better performance or technology.

Like I said in a previous post. If you don't understand it, you aren't their target market anyways. How many days of the year can you reasonably expect JP to do a fitting? 250 at the high end? It's probably a good 4 hour session so I'm assuming 1 golfer a day. Thats 250 golfers a year. That's their market. 250 golfers who a) can afford the $2000 b) live near Carlsbad or have the time and resources to go to Carlsbad c)value the experience of being fit by one of the best wedge professionals in the world. If you looked at this and the first thing you noticed was the $2000 price then you aren't their target market. Also just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he isn't one of the best in the business. Titleist obviously thinks highly enough of him to hire him on when they already have the Voke and Aaron Dill on deck. The dude is the future of the wedge industry.

[AThompson_3]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

Nope, it's stupid...sorry.

 

Edit to add: and the resale value on these will be what? :dntknw:

WHO THE HELL BUYS GOLF CLUBS BASED ON RESALE VALUE? You just don't get it.

[AThompson_3]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

Perhaps, but you can pay $400 for a very good bottle of wine...or you can pay $20 for a very good bottle of wine. For some what Titleist is offering may be worth it...just like an executive PXG fitting is worth it to some (2 nights, 3 days -- $15,000). Which is all well and good...enjoy the game as you will and purchase what you like. l

 

I practice my short game incessantly and I can't see how these wedges/fitting would add a "wow!" factor to my short game.

Then your not the target market anyways. Next.

[bervin]

Bruhh... these are dope! Little pricey for me though. Anyone here actually play these wedges before?

[stryper]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

Nope, it's stupid...sorry.

 

Edit to add: and the resale value on these will be what? :dntknw:

WHO THE HELL BUYS GOLF CLUBS BASED ON RESALE VALUE? You just don't get it.

 

No need to shout, resale value was an aside...but I think you knew that.

 

Regardless, you're still right, I don't get it. But since you don't quite get it either, value-wise, will $2000 for a fist full of wedges and a wonder-filled fitting experience with an alleged wedge wizard really make any difference in anyone's game? Do you really think $2000 will buy you a better short game? More so, is an incrementally better short game worth that kind of investment for any recreational, non-professional player?

[Thrillhouse]

$2,000 is cheap considering you are getting 3 hand ground wedges fit to you specifically by one of the top 3 wedge specialists in the world. Bob Vokey charges $2,000 for his wedge experience and its the same deal 3 hand ground wedges fit by Voke himself. $2,000 is a bargain.

 

Perhaps, but you can pay $400 for a very good bottle of wine...or you can pay $20 for a very good bottle of wine. For some what Titleist is offering may be worth it...just like an executive PXG fitting is worth it to some (2 nights, 3 days -- $15,000). Which is all well and good...enjoy the game as you will and purchase what you like. l

 

I practice my short game incessantly and I can't see how these wedges/fitting would add a "wow!" factor to my short game.

Then your not the target market anyways. Next.

 

*you're

 

Also Sean2 is a class act, if anyone here is entitled to a little bit of respect it's him.

[gioguy21]

Yet, no one has said anything negative about vokeys fittings. Suddenly JP shows up and this is crazy pricing...lol only on wrx.

[stryper]

Yet, no one has said anything negative about vokeys fittings. Suddenly JP shows up and this is crazy pricing...lol only on wrx.

 

Okay, I'll say it...Vokey fittings are stupid for the masses, too. If you're an upper-echelon elite golfer, maybe it makes sense, but for most of us common WRXers, it makes no sense.

[cliffhanger]

It seems to me that there is a lot more bitterness in posts where expensive items are discussed.

[whatshannenin]

2k for wedges from a guy with a fancy logo and one mediocre pro on his About blurb. This is what golf is becoming....boutique expensive clubs. We wonder why the sport is shrinking....

Aaron Baddeley $19,698,655

 

Maybe not quite as much as a lifetime $5 Nassau player, but mediocrity is in the eye of the beholder I guess?