Crossfield reviews TM M4 Driver

[Medic]

His head to head of M4 v Titleist driver is quite possibly the most sensible and informative video I have seen, and says so much about golf tech at so many levels. Watch it, then watch it again.

 

In the past MC wasn't my favorite golf coach/youtube personality, he's grown on me enormously though. High quality thought provoking content, seems to cut through the bull.

 

I loved him telling the Vokey guy "theres no difference in any of these" instead of fawning over grind x and grind y - like he was supposed to, no doubt.

 

I could not agree more. And the fact that the was still able to push the ball to the right with the new face on the M4 does sort of debunk the whole theory of a positive effect from this new design.

 

In the end I respect his summary. Go and try it. Get fitted. Play what works for you.

 

Really hard for anyone to argue against that sort of common sense logic.

[North Butte]

His head to head of M4 v Titleist driver is quite possibly the most sensible and informative video I have seen, and says so much about golf tech at so many levels. Watch it, then watch it again.

 

In the past MC wasn't my favorite golf coach/youtube personality, he's grown on me enormously though. High quality thought provoking content, seems to cut through the bull.

 

I loved him telling the Vokey guy "theres no difference in any of these" instead of fawning over grind x and grind y - like he was supposed to, no doubt.

 

I could not agree more. And the fact that the was still able to push the ball to the right with the new face on the M4 does sort of debunk the whole theory of a positive effect from this new design.

 

In the end I respect his summary. Go and try it. Get fitted. Play what works for you.

 

Really hard for anyone to argue against that sort of common sense logic.

 

Who here has argued against that?

 

The only question is why it needs to be repeated a couple times a week, with a different (but not really different) club in his hands.

[Medic]

His head to head of M4 v Titleist driver is quite possibly the most sensible and informative video I have seen, and says so much about golf tech at so many levels. Watch it, then watch it again.

 

In the past MC wasn't my favorite golf coach/youtube personality, he's grown on me enormously though. High quality thought provoking content, seems to cut through the bull.

 

I loved him telling the Vokey guy "theres no difference in any of these" instead of fawning over grind x and grind y - like he was supposed to, no doubt.

 

I could not agree more. And the fact that the was still able to push the ball to the right with the new face on the M4 does sort of debunk the whole theory of a positive effect from this new design.

 

In the end I respect his summary. Go and try it. Get fitted. Play what works for you.

 

Really hard for anyone to argue against that sort of common sense logic.

 

Who here has argued against that?

 

The only question is why it needs to be repeated a couple times a week, with a different (but not really different) club in his hands.

 

Read some of the replies. They imply that his reviews are anything but credible. Actually some come across with a measure of hatred for some reason. Goes back to the whole "I love TM and he made fun of them so I hate him" thing that went on here after his rant regarding not getting their new equipment to review. (I actually believe his reviews of TM will be even more interesting given that he is buying those clubs as opposed to getting them free)

 

And as for why he repeats it so often - the most important messages should always be repeated as often as necessary to get your point across. There's another thread right now where a guy tested "every iron made in 2018" and openly states that he laughs at fitting sessions because they are such a waste. Clearly Crossfield's point is still worthy of being repeated.

[mahonie]

His head to head of M4 v Titleist driver is quite possibly the most sensible and informative video I have seen, and says so much about golf tech at so many levels. Watch it, then watch it again.

 

In the past MC wasn't my favorite golf coach/youtube personality, he's grown on me enormously though. High quality thought provoking content, seems to cut through the bull.

 

I loved him telling the Vokey guy "theres no difference in any of these" instead of fawning over grind x and grind y - like he was supposed to, no doubt.

 

I could not agree more. And the fact that the was still able to push the ball to the right with the new face on the M4 does sort of debunk the whole theory of a positive effect from this new design.

 

In the end I respect his summary. Go and try it. Get fitted. Play what works for you.

 

Really hard for anyone to argue against that sort of common sense logic.

 

Who here has argued against that?

 

The only question is why it needs to be repeated a couple times a week, with a different (but not really different) club in his hands.

 

Read some of the replies. They imply that his reviews are anything but credible. Actually some come across with a measure of hatred for some reason. Goes back to the whole "I love TM and he made fun of them so I hate him" thing that went on here after his rant regarding not getting their new equipment to review. (I actually believe his reviews of TM will be even more interesting given that he is buying those clubs as opposed to getting them free)

 

And as for why he repeats it so often - the most important messages should always be repeated as often as necessary to get your point across. There's another thread right now where a guy tested "every iron made in 2018" and openly states that he laughs at fitting sessions because they are such a waste. Clearly Crossfield's point is still worthy of being repeated.

 

Over 63,000 reasons currently...which interestingly is roughly twice the number of views he has had for other recent club reviews.

[MG 1977]

Crossfield seems to hit the club face center almost every strike. How is that testing the "new technology" of the m4? I've read low heel and high toe is where the the tech comes into play. I am a huge fan of Crossfield but I think he blew it on this review.

 

Would it be better to work on your swing and strike patterns or buy a new driver?

That’s part of his point.....

 

Do you have time for lessons... maybe not... can you afford a new driver... maybe.

 

Btw... The unfitted M4 did quite well against his fitted D2.

[Nixhex524]

His head to head of M4 v Titleist driver is quite possibly the most sensible and informative video I have seen, and says so much about golf tech at so many levels. Watch it, then watch it again.

 

In the past MC wasn't my favorite golf coach/youtube personality, he's grown on me enormously though. High quality thought provoking content, seems to cut through the bull.

 

I loved him telling the Vokey guy "theres no difference in any of these" instead of fawning over grind x and grind y - like he was supposed to, no doubt.

 

I could not agree more. And the fact that the was still able to push the ball to the right with the new face on the M4 does sort of debunk the whole theory of a positive effect from this new design.

 

In the end I respect his summary. Go and try it. Get fitted. Play what works for you.

 

Really hard for anyone to argue against that sort of common sense logic.

 

Who here has argued against that?

 

The only question is why it needs to be repeated a couple times a week, with a different (but not really different) club in his hands.

 

Read some of the replies. They imply that his reviews are anything but credible. Actually some come across with a measure of hatred for some reason. Goes back to the whole "I love TM and he made fun of them so I hate him" thing that went on here after his rant regarding not getting their new equipment to review. (I actually believe his reviews of TM will be even more interesting given that he is buying those clubs as opposed to getting them free)

 

And as for why he repeats it so often - the most important messages should always be repeated as often as necessary to get your point across. There's another thread right now where a guy tested "every iron made in 2018" and openly states that he laughs at fitting sessions because they are such a waste. Clearly Crossfield's point is still worthy of being repeated.

 

It's just this.... people love to hate something. He's a club reviewer, takes heat for signing with Titleist while doing club reviews. Does club reviews, people ask why he does so many club reviews only to state the same thing each time in an effort to protect the consumer. If he wasn't doing reviews of a certain club or clubs, people would be asking for those reviews... Dude cant win over people that already hate him and they can't stop watching him just so they can complain about him. Vicious cycle.

[Londoner]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike€?

 

Here you go.

[LaymanM]

Everyone makes top notch gear. And every manufacture makes gear that has similar performance. Super GI, game improvement and players clubs.

 

Good fait review. Every club is about same, strike over ridding all. What matters is the shaft and club head design fit your needs.

 

IE don't buy low spin driver head and shaft if you need high launch and spin to maximize your carry. Same applies if you need opposite.

 

 

[Bubbtubbs]

Crossfield seems to hit the club face center almost every strike. How is that testing the "new technology" of the m4? I've read low heel and high toe is where the the tech comes into play. I am a huge fan of Crossfield but I think he blew it on this review.

 

Would it be better to work on your swing and strike patterns or buy a new driver?

That’s part of his point.....

 

Do you have time for lessons... maybe not... can you afford a new driver... maybe.

 

Btw... The unfitted M4 did quite well against his fitted D2.

An hour or two every couple of weeks for lessons plus a range session in that same period?

 

I'd wager the average person on here wastes more time than that in a couple of days on social media.

[linkerpan]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike€?

 

Here you go.

 

Thanks. I forgot about that video. I have the feeling he will be pressured to take it down

[gdb99]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike¤?

 

Here you go.

 

Thanks. I forgot about that video. I have the feeling he will be pressured to take it down

 

Why? Titleist knows what he does for a living, he did that video before he singed I think, and Titleist probably saw this video.

This is what he says, Titleist is letting him do this stuff. People just aren’t getting it.

 

[gdb99]

Crossfield seems to hit the club face center almost every strike. How is that testing the "new technology" of the m4? I've read low heel and high toe is where the the tech comes into play. I am a huge fan of Crossfield but I think he blew it on this review.

 

Would it be better to work on your swing and strike patterns or buy a new driver?

That’s part of his point.....

 

Do you have time for lessons... maybe not... can you afford a new driver... maybe.

 

Btw... The unfitted M4 did quite well against his fitted D2.

 

It did very well against his driver, and I think he even mentioned that the M4 isn’t fitted, and could probably get a little more out of it.

What is a new driver going to do for the rest of your shots?

[Londoner]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike€?

 

Here you go.

 

Thanks. I forgot about that video. I have the feeling he will be pressured to take it down

 

I wouldnt be surprised. On another one, pre Titelist deal, he sàys he rang Titleist who said their tech dept. said their longest to shortest bàll difference was màx 6yds with driver. Not what their mktg would have you believe.

[North Butte]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike¤?

 

Here you go.

 

Thanks. I forgot about that video. I have the feeling he will be pressured to take it down

 

I wouldnt be surprised. On another one, pre Titelist deal, he sàys he rang Titleist who said their tech dept. said their longest to shortest bàll difference was màx 6yds with driver. Not what their mktg would have you believe.

 

Titleist have been saying just that in marketing videos and in print for at least 10 years now.

 

They have never claimed ProV1 is the longest golf ball on the market or even the longest golf ball among their range.

[Londoner]

Crossfield seems to hit the club face center almost every strike. How is that testing the "new technology" of the m4? I've read low heel and high toe is where the the tech comes into play. I am a huge fan of Crossfield but I think he blew it on this review.

 

Would it be better to work on your swing and strike patterns or buy a new driver?

That's part of his point.....

 

Do you have time for lessons... maybe not... can you afford a new driver... maybe.

 

Btw... The unfitted M4 did quite well against his fitted D2.

 

It did very well against his driver, and I think he even mentioned that the M4 isn't fitted, and could probably get a little more out of it.

What is a new driver going to do for the rest of your shots?

Nothing but on one he could hit 8 instead of 7. He didnt benefit from it but isn't that generally what we want, shorter 2nd shots?

[Nixhex524]

I must not be paying close enough attention, I never really thought Titleist was marketing their balls as being the longest, just seems to be more about how many pros are playing them on tour. Their moniker always seems to be related to being "the most trusted". I'm not going to say they don't stretch some truths in their marketing at times but I think it's been covered that they all do... Titleist just seems to be the only evil ones...LOL

[Londoner]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike¤?

 

Here you go.

 

Thanks. I forgot about that video. I have the feeling he will be pressured to take it down

 

I wouldnt be surprised. On another one, pre Titelist deal, he sàys he rang Titleist who said their tech dept. said their longest to shortest bàll difference was màx 6yds with driver. Not what their mktg would have you believe.

 

Titleist have been saying just that in marketing videos and in print for at least 10 years now.

 

They have never claimed ProV1 is the longest golf ball on the market or even the longest golf ball among their range.

I take your word for it. Its not the impression i get though. And I dont think I'm alone. They still have "distance" balls and terminology. Velocity?

To be fair though, I always thought their marketing was one of the most "honest".

[gdb99]

Crossfield seems to hit the club face center almost every strike. How is that testing the "new technology" of the m4? I've read low heel and high toe is where the the tech comes into play. I am a huge fan of Crossfield but I think he blew it on this review.

 

Would it be better to work on your swing and strike patterns or buy a new driver?

That's part of his point.....

 

Do you have time for lessons... maybe not... can you afford a new driver... maybe.

 

Btw... The unfitted M4 did quite well against his fitted D2.

 

It did very well against his driver, and I think he even mentioned that the M4 isn't fitted, and could probably get a little more out of it.

What is a new driver going to do for the rest of your shots?

Nothing but on one he could hit 8 instead of 7. He didnt benefit from it but isn't that generally what we want, shorter 2nd shots?

 

Of course.

But why do you think he would hit one driver farther on one hole, then the other driver farther on another hole?

Could it be strike? Could it be a better bounce in the fairway?

This is what he’s talking about in his reviews.

One driver is not going to be 17 yards longer, all the time.

Twist face isn’t going to be the straighest, every time.

Surefit hosel isn’t going to give you a draw or fade, every time.

I guess if it needs to be explained, he’s not doing a good enough job getting his points across....

I hope Mark is reading this...

[North Butte]

Everything I have ever read from them said that all balls, theirs and their competition’s, are close to maxed out on distance. And that clubhead speed doesn’t matter, all of their balls work for all speeds. Also the compression is not important except for feel.

 

They suggest you choose a ball on these factors in the following order. Greenside performance, hitting your trajectory windows and feel.

[Londoner]

 

 

Would it be better to work on your swing and strike patterns or buy a new driver?

That's part of his point.....

 

Do you have time for lessons... maybe not... can you afford a new driver... maybe.

 

Btw... The unfitted M4 did quite well against his fitted D2.

 

It did very well against his driver, and I think he even mentioned that the M4 isn't fitted, and could probably get a little more out of it.

What is a new driver going to do for the rest of your shots?

Nothing but on one he could hit 8 instead of 7. He didnt benefit from it but isn't that generally what we want, shorter 2nd shots?

 

Of course.

But why do you think he would hit one driver farther on one hole, then the other driver farther on another hole?

Could it be strike? Could it be a better bounce in the fairway?

This is what he's talking about in his reviews.

One driver is not going to be 17 yards longer, all the time.

Twist face isn't going to be the straighest, every time.

Surefit hosel isn't going to give you a draw or fade, every time.

I guess if it needs to be explained, he's not doing a good enough job getting his points across....

I hope Mark is reading this...

 

I agree entirely. I was just pointing out why marketing works. Want 7 more yds? Yes please.

 

Technology does very little. I have mc gregor v foil blades 1025m and miz mp h5s. I can score the same with both.

 

We have a uk saying.

Theres a guy out there who will beat you with a broom and a shovel! Your kit is maybe 1%.

[MG 1977]

Would he dare to compare the pro V vs competition and say that all balls are alike¤?

 

Here you go.

 

Thanks. I forgot about that video. I have the feeling he will be pressured to take it down

 

Why? Titleist knows what he does for a living, he did that video before he singed I think, and Titleist probably saw this video.

This is what he says, Titleist is letting him do this stuff. People just aren’t getting it.

 

I get it pal... but it's Mark in his Taylormade Not Test video who says you can not give an honest independent review if you are sponsored to play somebodies clubs... that's Marks point of view then 12 months later he's doing what he said you can't do, Hypocritical.

 

I do like his videos and think his M4 review was honest & fair... but I can understand why other OEMs are questioning sending him product to test now he's gone back on his own independent reviewer stance. He needs to stop moaning about it and just get the club's to test himself instead of making videos titled 'Taylormade hates me' kind of childish.

[Stanks]

You guys know he gets paid for YouTube right? That’s why he makes the videos.

You watch. He gets paid. That’s why he makes the videos.

I think they’re entertaining. It does show how most of the technology is basically equal now.

But seriously. He makes the vids. You watch the vids. He gets a paycheck.