Anyone using recoil shafts in irons?

Dodgeboy8888 · April 5, 2018

Went to get fitted today for Mizuno mp18 mmc. The recommended shaft was a recoil f3

Just curious to see feedback on them.

Guess my ego is getting in the way

Double Dutch · April 5, 2018

Check out the thread about the Apex cf16 “Best.Irons.Ever”. The recoil is the stock graphite shaft on those irons and there are a lot of posts on them in that thread: mostly raving about the feel, control and obscene distance they are getting from the recoil.

puresurfr · April 5, 2018

Recoil makes several shafts..the Recoil 110 and the Recoil 110 Prototype are tour worthy shafts and the 125 weight class is just beastly. They are very good shafts and I would think your ego would be more damaged from a 20 handicap than a high quality graphite shaft ! As for the F3, that is regular flex....and that will be on the soft side of regular......no doubt another crushing blow....haha fire that darn club fitter

Dodgeboy8888 · April 5, 2018

Recoil makes several shafts..the Recoil 110 and the Recoil 110 Prototype are tour worthy shafts and the 125 weight class is just beastly. They are very good shafts and I would think your ego would be more damaged from a 20 handicap than a high quality graphite shaft ! As for the F3, that is regular flex....and that will be on the soft side of regular......no doubt another crushing blow....haha fire that darn club fitter

Working on that handicap lol just started again after 7yrs away from the game. Was just joking about the ego part. Never realized it was graphite till the end of fitting.

The only thing I remember of graphite was my Dad's old yonex that where like over cooked noodles

Was just curious what others had as experience with them

Sean2 · April 5, 2018

Went to get fitted today for Mizuno mp18 mmc. The recommended shaft was a recoil f3

Just curious to see feedback on them.

Guess my ego is getting in the way

If the fitter recommended them there is probably a good reason. I have the Recoil F4's in my irons and wedges. I think they are great shafts. Before my fitting, I told the fitter I would play pink shafts with Hello Kitty logo's all over them if that is what performed the best. The scorecard doesn't care what clubs or shafts you play. :-)

Stonewalled · April 5, 2018

I have a few sets of the recoils, 110's and 125's great shafts.

I had picked up a set of used cf-16's last year with the stock recoil shafts, myself being spoiled with the 110's and 125's was expecting the stock shafts to be a let down. Not the case, i hit those cf-16's pretty well.

Picked another set of the cf-16's recently, was thinking the recoil 125's might be fun to try in them.

BlazinPond · April 5, 2018

I've been using Rocoil Prototype 125's exclusively over the past 2 years.

Easily the best graphite I've tried.

I look forward to comparing against a new set of $-Taper's recommended during my recent PXG fitting.

GSDriver · April 5, 2018

Recoil 110 F4, love them in Apex Pro 2014s.

Feel great, good ball flight, good spin....very similar to my KBS Tour V.

I bought them for winter when I thin one and its 30 degrees, liked them so much my steel shafted are still in the closet.

Dodgeboy8888 · April 5, 2018

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Went to get fitted today for Mizuno mp18 mmc. The recommended shaft was a recoil f3

Just curious to see feedback on them.

Guess my ego is getting in the way

If the fitter recommended them there is probably a good reason. I have the Recoil F4's in my irons and wedges. I think they are great shafts. Before my fitting, I told the fitter I would play pink shafts with Hello Kitty logo's all over them if that is what performed the best. The scorecard doesn't care what clubs or shafts you play. :-)

Well that’s why I got fitted. Went with the recommendation. Can’t wait to get them

JDSPGA · April 5, 2018

Moved from Recoil 110 in irons and wedge proto in wedges to Recoil 80 in irons and 95 in wedges this year. Love them. Extremely stable given the lightweight. Never too young to start looking after your body. Graphite feels great and is proven to be much easier on your joints.

DivinDave · April 5, 2018

My backup set of clubs have the F3 660 in them. The recoil is a very good shaft and the feel of them on a not so good strike isnt as harsh as it is with a steel shaft, but you do get good feedback from them. They are a very comfortable feeling shaft. The only reason Im not gaming them, is because of the weight. They are not very heavy. For some thats a good thing and for others not so much. The light weight just didnt work well enough for my swing so they became my backups.

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stryper · April 5, 2018

I’m
Went to get fitted today for Mizuno mp18 mmc. The recommended shaft was a recoil f3

Just curious to see feedback on them.

Guess my ego is getting in the way

If the fitter recommended them there is probably a good reason. I have the Recoil F4's in my irons and wedges. I think they are great shafts. Before my fitting, I told the fitter I would play pink shafts with Hello Kitty logo's all over them if that is what performed the best. The scorecard doesn't care what clubs or shafts you play. :-)

Well that’s why I got fitted. Went with the recommendation. Can’t wait to get them

Nice, I think you’ll like them.

As an aside, did you go full mmc’s, or some sort of combo setup?

Jagpilotohio · April 6, 2018

Prototype 125 F5’s in all my wedges. Very nice. Great feel. Easier on my joints. I actually have Sensicores in them as well.

Only reason they aren’t in all my irons is that they spin a bit too much for me. I’m very steep. I may give them another try hardstepped this time. The first time around I softstepped them because everyone was saying how crazy stiff they are. They aren’t.

I’ve got arthritis in my hands and left shoulder so I really would like to find some graphite to play in everything.

avguy · April 6, 2018

I've kept my Mizuno MP-32s around from new for over 9 seasons now, and really like them the past 3 in Recoils 125 F4.

This is primarily a practice range set, as the repeated higher pace of ball strikes there found me needing some joint relief getting well past 50.

They sit right in the middle of my two other irons set I play the course most with at 122g, so it works out well for my range to course transition in feel and saves me some personal wear.

They are great shafts that pair well with that head - a low/mid trajectory and I can draw the ball really easy with them.

geochitown · April 6, 2018

I picked up a set of proto 125's in F4.

Looking forward to trying them with my Maxfli Revolution heads.

We'll see how they are!

I'm a bit tentative because I've only really played with DGS300 parallel shafts which are supposed to be quite a bit softer than DGS300 taper tip which might be closer to the recoils.

Regardless, I'll give them a try.

Been buying a lot of different shaft sets lately, so have a lot to choose from (typical golfwrx'er problem, I guess).

Jagpilotohio · April 6, 2018

I picked up a set of proto 125's in F4.
Looking forward to trying them with my Maxfli Revolution heads.

We'll see how they are!
I'm a bit tentative because I've only really played with DGS300 parallel shafts which are supposed to be quite a bit softer than DGS300 taper tip which might be closer to the recoils.

Regardless, I'll give them a try.

Been buying a lot of different shaft sets lately, so have a lot to choose from (typical golfwrx'er problem, I guess).

S300 in parallel softer than S300 taper tip?? Who told you this? I hope it wasnt on this site.. The short irons in .370 are a hair softer because they are a touch lighter shaft weight after tip trimming, but I wouldn’t say “quite a bit” softer. Most wouldn’t know.

geochitown · April 6, 2018

I think it was from wishon bend profiles that I saw this difference that I'm mentioning between parallel and taper DGS300.

I guess I always wondered which iron shafts were being tested for Wishon's bend profile testing, especially when we are talking about parallel vs taper tip.

NRJyzr · April 6, 2018

Prototype 125 F5’s in all my wedges. Very nice. Great feel. Easier on my joints. I actually have Sensicores in them as well.

Only reason they aren’t in all my irons is that they spin a bit too much for me. I’m very steep. I may give them another try hardstepped this time. The first time around I softstepped them because everyone was saying how crazy stiff they are. They aren’t.

I’ve got arthritis in my hands and left shoulder so I really would like to find some graphite to play in everything.

Have you tried RIP Tour 115? I believe you can still find a full set of X...

Edit: spoke too soon, shirtdaddy no longer has full sets in their eBay listings

NRJyzr · April 6, 2018

I picked up a set of proto 125's in F4.
Looking forward to trying them with my Maxfli Revolution heads.

We'll see how they are!
I'm a bit tentative because I've only really played with DGS300 parallel shafts which are supposed to be quite a bit softer than DGS300 taper tip which might be closer to the recoils.

Regardless, I'll give them a try.

Been buying a lot of different shaft sets lately, so have a lot to choose from (typical golfwrx'er problem, I guess).

S300 in parallel softer than S300 taper tip?? Who told you this? I hope it wasnt on this site.. The short irons in .370 are a hair softer because they are a touch lighter shaft weight after tip trimming, but I wouldn’t say “quite a bit” softer. Most wouldn’t know.

The 370 DG shafts are softer tipped than the tapered DG. Butt frequency is roughly the same.

If anyone cares enough, I can dig up the Wishon profiles on each. <shrug>

tanker44 · April 6, 2018

I have Recoil 95 F4s in MP 18 MBs and they are goooood. I'd recommend. They are super smooth and feel great. I hit them higher, straighter and further than anything i've play previously. Get em.

Dodgeboy8888 · April 7, 2018

I have Recoil 95 F4s in MP 18 MBs and they are goooood. I'd recommend. They are super smooth and feel great. I hit them higher, straighter and further than anything i've play previously. Get em.

They are on order can’t wait

Jagpilotohio · April 7, 2018

I picked up a set of proto 125's in F4.
Looking forward to trying them with my Maxfli Revolution heads.

We'll see how they are!
I'm a bit tentative because I've only really played with DGS300 parallel shafts which are supposed to be quite a bit softer than DGS300 taper tip which might be closer to the recoils.

Regardless, I'll give them a try.

Been buying a lot of different shaft sets lately, so have a lot to choose from (typical golfwrx'er problem, I guess).

S300 in parallel softer than S300 taper tip?? Who told you this? I hope it wasnt on this site.. The short irons in .370 are a hair softer because they are a touch lighter shaft weight after tip trimming, but I wouldn’t say “quite a bit” softer. Most wouldn’t know.

The 370 DG shafts are softer tipped than the tapered DG. Butt frequency is roughly the same.

If anyone cares enough, I can dig up the Wishon profiles on each. <shrug>

Sure. We are agreeing on this. As I said, in a .370 shaft the actual tip section walls are slightly thinner than the TT of the same length, and thus more flexible. If you compare two 8 irons, after the .370 is tip trimmed of course, the .370 will be a hair softer than the TT 8 iron. Flexiblity is determined by shaft wall thickness and overall shaft diameter. The steps and the diameter is the same, the wall thickness is not.

The TT shafts are all constant weight. Each shaft weighs the same. .370 are not. They all start out as a 130 gram 1 iron blank and you trim off the tips to make the shaft you want. Once they are trimmed each shaft is progressively lighter and their tip area wall thickness is slightly thinner than in a constant weight .355 TT, hence they are more flexible.

What I said previously is that it is extremely subtle and most average golfers wouldn’t be able to tell in a real life application.

NRJyzr · April 7, 2018

I picked up a set of proto 125's in F4.
Looking forward to trying them with my Maxfli Revolution heads.

We'll see how they are!
I'm a bit tentative because I've only really played with DGS300 parallel shafts which are supposed to be quite a bit softer than DGS300 taper tip which might be closer to the recoils.

Regardless, I'll give them a try.

Been buying a lot of different shaft sets lately, so have a lot to choose from (typical golfwrx'er problem, I guess).

S300 in parallel softer than S300 taper tip?? Who told you this? I hope it wasnt on this site.. The short irons in .370 are a hair softer because they are a touch lighter shaft weight after tip trimming, but I wouldn’t say “quite a bit” softer. Most wouldn’t know.

The 370 DG shafts are softer tipped than the tapered DG. Butt frequency is roughly the same.

If anyone cares enough, I can dig up the Wishon profiles on each. <shrug>

Sure. We are agreeing on this. As I said, in a .370 shaft the actual tip section walls are slightly thinner than the TT of the same length, and thus more flexible. If you compare two 8 irons, after the .370 is tip trimmed of course, the .370 will be a hair softer than the TT 8 iron. Flexiblity is determined by shaft wall thickness and overall shaft diameter. The steps and the diameter is the same, the wall thickness is not.

The TT shafts are all constant weight. Each shaft weighs the same. .370 are not. They all start out as a 130 gram 2 iron blank and you trim off the tips to make the shaft you want. Once they are trimmed each shaft is progressively lighter and their tip area wall thickness is slightly thinner than in a constant weight .355 TT, hence they are more flexible.

What I said previously is that it is extremely subtle and most average golfers wouldn’t be able to tell in a real life application.

I'd assumed we were largely on the same page. :)

I'd always taken the difference to be the result of the nature of the tapered DG tip, tapering constantly from .355 to .390 or .395 at the bottom of the first step. That extra diameter has to have some effect.

Of course, DG subflex theory being what it is, the wall thickness is also playing a part.

For whatever it's worth, here are the respective DGS Wishon profiles:

DGS300 taper 222 260 314 401 571 962

DGS300 parallel 224 266 311 394 552 903

KBS Tour taper S 226 263 330 409 564 900

edit: I added KBS Tour stiff for fun. Interesting when you compare it to DGS parallel, wouldn't you say?

Jagpilotohio · April 7, 2018

Mostly wall thickness.

A Dg s300 .355 9 iron shaft before butt cutting is 130 grams.

A Dg s300 .370 9 iron shaft before butt cutting, but AFTER tip trimming the suggested 4 inches is about 118 grams.

The 12 grams of material you trim off the tip on the .370 is a significant amount of metal. That 12 grams is distributed throughout the walls of the .355 shaft because it is made shorter to begin with and all of that metal stays part of the shaft.

Conversely, a 3 iron shaft in .370 only has 1 inch trimmed off the original blank. It’s only about 3 grams lighter than its .355 counterpart and the wall thickness is going to be incredibly similar to each other. Flex becomes more similar as the corresponding shafts gets longer.

Picture a block of taffy. You stretch it to 9 iron length and stop. That’s a .355 9 iron.

If You stretch the same block to the length of a one iron and then chop off 4 inches of the tip and that’s a .370 9 iron. There’s physically less material in the .370 9 iron, making the walls inevitably thinner and weaker.

This is why most pros and very good amateurs, including myself, refuse to play .370 descending weight shafts made from a 1 iron or 2 iron blank.

There’s absolutely no way I want my 9 iron shaft significantly lighter than my 3 iron shaft. Additionally, As the previous post that got all this started also suggested, I find .370 shafts to be too soft in the short irons for my taste compared to their .355 counterparts.

But again, full circle, can the average recreational golfer sense this weight decrease and slightly softer flex in the shorter irons??? I don’t believe most can. I can and I hate it, but I’ve been playing 35 years and I have been a +2 teaching pro back in the 90’s. My sense of feel and weight and flex is more developed than most.

Anyways,....we are probably making Peoples heads explode. This is way more information than most people need. It lends itself to people overthinking their equipment. But hey....that’s what WRX is all about.

phatchrisrules · April 7, 2018

Count me in as going 900HM with Recoil 95s this year (98% sure). I am still going to try some Accra i95 and i105 CWT just to see. I've always liked the smoothness of the Accra's in the hybrids I tried, so I'll give them a fair shake.