Maltby TS2

[taki27]

I run lead tape lengthwise along the underside of my irons along the top half usually since it’s wider, so that I have an ascending shaft weight as I go to PW.  I like this because you never see it.

[Bryceslu]

3 hours ago, vandyfan said:

A quick question about the iron shafts that are cut from a single 43" length (in this case the FST 125 shaft). I feel like I am starting to overpower my shorter irons in the FST 125 since they are all cut from 43" the PW and GW are about 7g lighter than my 5 iron which I hit really well. Can you simply add lead tape to the shaft to make them slightly heavier and, if so, where would you add it? In the middle of the shaft vertically? I feel like I only need to add about 5g-10g here. 

What do you mean by overpower?

[Cwebb]

Here's a video I stumbled on where the guys are talking about the benefits of a slightly further forward low point, which can generally result in a slightly lower impact pattern on the face.

 

This is relevant understanding to this topic with the Maltby design principle of always having an AVCOG (sweet-spot) that is lower than the "breaking point" for solid contact vertically, which is the center of the ball (.840").

 

With an AVCOG that is higher or too high, it makes it that much more difficult to commit to a swing with a further forward low point that generally results in a somewhat lower contact point....because most of us will consciously or subconsciously react to the feel of "thin" contact by figuring out how to raise that contact point, with either a steeper angle of attack and/or a low point that is further back.

 

The basic idea is matching an important iron design detail to a technique that promotes cleaner contact, better ball striking and distance control.

 

It's interesting that the iron they're using as an example is a Mizuno MP-14 iron used by Tiger Woods, which is a design that was measured for a very low AVCOG of .687".

 

Many would question whether a stronger higher spin player could benefit from that low AVCOG (sweet-spot).  The answer is that it is a potential benefit, if your low point and contact point are a good match for it....or if you are willing to use that lower sweet-spot to promote a low point that is further forward.

 

 

 

[terry55]

On 5/4/2024 at 9:42 PM, Popeye64 said:

Damn... you need to find another range. Those are nearly unplayable. You're not going to learn anything hitting those balls. Oooff. 

Even worse, buy a Garmin R10 and track the balls.

[terry55]

2 hours ago, Cwebb said:

Here's a video I stumbled on where the guys are talking about the benefits of a slightly further forward low point, which can generally result in a slightly lower impact pattern on the face.

 

This is relevant understanding to this topic with the Maltby design principle of always having an AVCOG (sweet-spot) that is lower than the "breaking point" for solid contact vertically, which is the center of the ball (.840").

 

With an AVCOG that is higher or too high, it makes it that much more difficult to commit to a swing with a further forward low point that generally results in a somewhat lower contact point....because most of us will consciously or subconsciously react to the feel of "thin" contact by figuring out how to raise that contact point, with either a steeper angle of attack and/or a low point that is further back.

 

The basic idea is matching an important iron design detail to a technique that promotes cleaner contact, better ball striking and distance control.

 

It's interesting that the iron they're using as an example is a Mizuno MP-14 iron used by Tiger Woods, which is a design that was measured for a very low AVCOG of .687".

 

Many would question whether a stronger higher spin player could benefit from that low AVCOG (sweet-spot).  The answer is that it is a potential benefit, if your low point and contact point are a good match for it....or if you are willing to use that lower sweet-spot to promote a low point that is further forward.

 

 

 

You just validated all the TS3 folks

[azgreg]

20 hours ago, vietnameeh said:

I am still loving my TE forged .... does golf works ever "close out" on old heads? i know I know I am cheap at $30 a head .... i was just wondering 

I've got two sets myself. They're no longer in the catalog so my guess is their days are numbered. I'm considering buying a another set for when they're gone.

 

Edited May 8 by azgreg

[HeftyLefty5]

just here bc i feel like saying they need more LH options. thats all.

[4dgolf]

On 5/5/2024 at 10:31 AM, Cameron Circle T said:

Looking forward to testing these against my PXG 0311T now that they have the same shaft (Dart 90) in them. 

 

TS3 5 iron

TS4 6-9

 

Pic is a side-by-side of the 5 and 6 iron.

 

wow that ts4 looks outrageously good. 
 

I may have to build up a half set of those. 

[4dgolf]

my current witb with the original ts1 irons that I picked up recently. I’m so glad I went with Maltby, these things perform just as good as anything out there. 
 

hopefully can get my hands on a ts4 half set soon. 

[vandyfan]

22 hours ago, Bryceslu said:

What do you mean by overpower?

 

They feel a bit light and I find it throw it a tad over the top whereas a heavier shaft feels like it falls into place better for me. My SW and LW have 125g shafts and they seem to slot a bit better. 

[Bryceslu]

6 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

 

They feel a bit light and I find it throw it a tad over the top whereas a heavier shaft feels like it falls into place better for me. My SW and LW have 125g shafts and they seem to slot a bit better. 

Gotcha. You could also try feeling like you are driving your right shoulder down and then through the ball towards the green on the downswing. Or under your left shoulder if that makes more sense. Right shoulder on more of a vertical plane instead of horizontal plane down and through impact. 

[Bad9]

Britt commented in the GW forum they're considering doing the TS3and TS4 in the DBM finish. I had 75% convinced myself to pick up a set of TE+ DBM heads this fall. I think now I'm going to wait and put together a 6,7,8 in TS3 and 9,P,G TS4 in DBM.

[gdb99]

15 minutes ago, Bad9 said:

Britt commented in the GW forum they're considering doing the TS3and TS4 in the DBM finish. I had 75% convinced myself to pick up a set of TE+ DBM heads this fall. I think now I'm going to wait and put together a 6,7,8 in TS3 and 9,P,G TS4 in DBM.

I wonder if they are going to do sets of 4-GW, like they did with the MMB-17 Blacks.

[goalie]

My order for a Maltby KE4 TC IST 5w finally shipped.  Ordered 4/28.  Can't wait to try it out. 

[Gopher68]

Anyone using the current TS3 irons, are the long irons as forgiving as the "factor" states?

[Mike_C]

1 hour ago, Gopher68 said:

Anyone using the current TS3 irons, are the long irons as forgiving as the "factor" states?

I have the 4 and 5 iron in the TS3, and I would say they are pretty darn forgiving.  The only thing I would say that I notice is that I don't hit them as high as I expected, much more of a penetrating ball flight.  I have been playing Srixon ZX5s in this slot in my bag for the past several years, in the past with standard Recoil 95 F4 shafts, and most recently with KBS TGI 90s, and they launched up much higher than my TS3 4 and 5 iron with Recoil Dart 105 V  F4, could be the shaft somewhat too. 

[wantacigar]

1 hour ago, goalie said:

My order for a Maltby KE4 TC IST 5w finally shipped.  Ordered 4/28.  Can't wait to try it out. 

 

Please let us know what you think!  I have the TC 4W (16*)with MPF Pro R flex and it is my go to when driver isn't working.  I get 200-225 depending upon wind off tee.  Average no wind 210-215.  I'm looking to the IST Pro 3W to get more distance.  Maybe turn down to 13*.  I get 200-205 off the deck with 4W and 190-205 with the Cleveland HyWood 18* 3+ and want to gap the distance with that club and driver better and to use for a mini driver when driver isn't behaving.  

[goalie]

1 hour ago, wantacigar said:

 

Please let us know what you think!  I have the TC 4W (16*)with MPF Pro R flex and it is my go to when driver isn't working.  I get 200-225 depending upon wind off tee.  Average no wind 210-215.  I'm looking to the IST Pro 3W to get more distance.  Maybe turn down to 13*.  I get 200-205 off the deck with 4W and 190-205 with the Cleveland HyWood 18* 3+ and want to gap the distance with that club and driver better and to use for a mini driver when driver isn't behaving.  

I have the EXACT same TC 4w with the same shaft, so it'll be a nice comparison for you

 

[vandyfan]

17 hours ago, Bad9 said:

TS4 in the DBM finish.

 

Excuse me, what, could you say that in my good ear please....

[brew4eagle]

3 hours ago, Gopher68 said:

Anyone using the current TS3 irons, are the long irons as forgiving as the "factor" states?

I have the TS3 irons in 5 thru 9 w/ DG Mid 115 R300.  The 5 iron is the most forgiving 5 iron I have hit.  Launches nice and high, very forgiving off the toe which is my primary miss.

[BConnellan]

5 hours ago, Gopher68 said:

Anyone using the current TS3 irons, are the long irons as forgiving as the "factor" states?

I have the TS3 5-PW with Modus 105 S shafts and they are all VERY forgiving.  My primary miss is toe side (and some thin) and the result is 100x better compared to my old C'way XHot Pros!

[OhioGolf7272]

On 5/9/2024 at 9:00 AM, Gopher68 said:

Anyone using the current TS3 irons, are the long irons as forgiving as the "factor" states?

I play the TS3 5 iron, but play a 4 hybrid. The TS3 is easy to get into the air and decently forgiving on toe misses. I played cast CB game improvement Cobra irons before the TS3s and my 5 iron didn’t feel as nice but was just about as easy to get in the air and similarly forgiving on toe misses.

 

Not trying to wade into a major debate on MPF and forgiveness, but I am a fan of the TS3s mostly because of the feel, the minimal offset, and extra help on toe misses all while giving me really solid distance control (ie no 10-20 extra yard jumpers, which was a major issue with my old irons). I haven’t hit the KE Max 4 and 5 iron, but have hit the 7 iron and that club—like others in its category—would probably forgive strikes all over the face better than the TS3.

 

Sorry if this is not a helpful response. Speaking to your own experience of forgiveness always feels so swing dependent and based on your own expectations to me. 

Edited May 10 by OhioGolf7272

[KCEE]

20 hours ago, BConnellan said:

I have the TS3 5-PW with Modus 105 S shafts and they are all VERY forgiving.  My primary miss is toe side (and some thin) and the result is 100x better compared to my old C'way XHot Pros!

That's good to know. I used to play the X Hot Pros and found them very forgiving for a not too large iron. I tend to miss off the toe as well although lately I seem to be favoring the heel with my 6i (P770). I have been testing TS3 and TS1-IM 6 irons and my head is saying just get the TS3 as it's the most forgiving in a size I prefer.

[wantacigar]

Has anyone used the KE4 TC Pro IST 3W??  Thoughts??

[dekez]

On 5/7/2024 at 9:00 PM, terry55 said:

You just validated all the TS3 folks

Too upright goes left and too flat goes right.  I knew that already.  Does too high on the face mean too much bounce or too little bounce? 

[taki27]

1 hour ago, dekez said:

Too upright goes left and too flat goes right.  I knew that already.  Does too high on the face mean too much bounce or too little bounce? 

Too high on the face is the issue I have, it’s usually from too downward an angle of attack (at least for me).  CWebb will be much better at explaining the VCOG and attack angle than I am.

Edited May 11 by taki27

[Cwebb]

5 hours ago, dekez said:

Too upright goes left and too flat goes right.  I knew that already.  Does too high on the face mean too much bounce or too little bounce? 

 

Too high on the face comes from too steep and/or a low point that is too far back.

 

Lots of good iron players are relatively steep, in that they can take a healthy divot,...but their low point is far enough forward to promote clean contact.

 

From the equipment standpoint, a sweet-spot (AVCOG) that is higher can promote a steeper angle of attack and low point further back, in an order to find the solid feeling part of that club design that is high on the face.

 

Vice versa for a low sweet-spot (AVCOG)...which can promote a shallower AOA, and/or more importantly, a low point that is further forward.

 

If your low point is well forward in a good area for consistent clean contact, but your iron design has a high AVCOG, then you have to be steeper in order to hit them totally solid from normal to tighter lies.

[dekez]

4 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

Too high on the face comes from too steep and/or a low point that is too far back.

 

Lots of good iron players are relatively steep, in that they can take a healthy divot,...but their low point is far enough forward to promote clean contact.

 

From the equipment standpoint, a sweet-spot (AVCOG) that is higher can promote a steeper angle of attack and low point further back, in an order to find the solid feeling part of that club design that is high on the face.

 

Vice versa for a low sweet-spot (AVCOG)...which can promote a shallower AOA, and/or more importantly, a low point that is further forward.

 

If your low point is well forward in a good area for consistent clean contact, but your iron design has a high AVCOG, then you have to be steeper in order to hit them totally solid from normal to tighter lies.

 

I have a shallow swing and play with low AVCOG irons. What I'm curious about is the effect of bounce. The fitter in the video spent a lot of time talking about it, but I never heard the correlation of how bounce impacted contact on the face.

[iamlowsound]

5 hours ago, dekez said:

 

I have a shallow swing and play with low AVCOG irons. What I'm curious about is the effect of bounce. The fitter in the video spent a lot of time talking about it, but I never heard the correlation of how bounce impacted contact on the face.

Higher bounce will generally make the strike lower on the face. How much depends on how much shaft lean you have and your angle of attack.

 

IMO, bounce doesn't really come into effect much on full swings, it's more the leading edge shape. You can have a high bounce club that digs due to a sharp leading edge and you can have a low bounce club that doesn't dig due to having leading edge relief. But, when it really comes down to it, you should be making ball first contact on a full swing so the leading edge doesn't matter for contact, just follow through. 

[Cwebb]

5 hours ago, dekez said:

 

I have a shallow swing and play with low AVCOG irons. What I'm curious about is the effect of bounce. The fitter in the video spent a lot of time talking about it, but I never heard the correlation of how bounce impacted contact on the face.

 

His opinion and general statement was, "the more bounce I take off the iron, the more it pushes low point further forward".

 

I don't necessarily agree with this, unless the player has the awareness, feel, and talent, where less bounce could "force" or promote that change.

 

My opinion is that the height of the sweet-spot (AVCOG) is much more straight forward in what it can do for a wider range of players.

 

Over the decades, many shallow sweeper/picker iron players have talked about wanting low bounce to improve their contact, without ever considering that maybe there is a variance in the height of the sweet-spot for different iron designs...and that is the bigger issue