Fairway divot rule

[SNIPERBBB]

Bear in mind,there is preferred lies(lcp) which allows you to move the ball and there is and the lift,clean, replace the ball(erroneously referred to as LCP) that requires you to replace the ball to it's previous spot after lifting.

[Vindog]

It's strange, they can accomplish the lift-clean-place rule without any problems, but humanity is not capable of knowing the life cycle of a divot. We can put a man on the moon, but can't figure out what a divot is. We can split atoms and create nuclear power, but can't determine what the life-cycle of a divot is. Really?

 

Well, that's because defining divot holes is unrelated to LCP, nuclear fission, and space travel.

 

So when playing LCP you should have to play a ball as it lies in a divot?

 

If that's what you got out of what I said right there then I have no idea how to help you.

 

 

But in the interest of playing along...This is just a guess, that if you are playing LCP then the divot hole is irrelevant. Why wouldn't it be? But very, very rarely am I ever playing LCP, so...

 

I’ll play along too. They enact LCP to keep from getting a bad lie or mud ball in the fairway. You said that LCP and relief from a divot aren’t related. Why wouldn’t they be when both would be for the same reason?

 

I’m not sure how everyone is playing their winter rules and LCP, but where I play and who I play with it’s reserved for inequitable condidtions like rain or recent melt if early in the season. Which is why it’s rare that we play it. ANot really for bad lies or divot holes. At that point the divot hole is irrelevant because you can pick it up from anywhere in the fairway.

[nsxguy]

It's strange, they can accomplish the lift-clean-place rule without any problems, but humanity is not capable of knowing the life cycle of a divot. We can put a man on the moon, but can't figure out what a divot is. We can split atoms and create nuclear power, but can't determine what the life-cycle of a divot is. Really?

 

Well, that's because defining divot holes is unrelated to LCP, nuclear fission, and space travel.

Ahh, no kidding? My point was simple, at least I thought it was simple, that if man has the intelligence to do the things I described he has the intelligence of knowing what a divot is and what isn't. Just like every other rule in the game of golf, it comes down to trusting your opponent to abide by those rules. It would be no different with a divot rule, if there was one ever, it takes trust in people to abide by the rules. My point in my above statement is that man has the intelligence to accomplish that easily, Imo.

 

I'll simply note that YOU (apparently) haven't got the "intelligence" to tell us what a divot is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and since we're obviously not smart enough to define it, why don't you help us out ?

 

You know, so you can show us how smart you really are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Golfer4Life]

This is getting good. Keep it up boys!

[Vindog]

This is getting good. Keep it up boys!

 

They can’t all be about slow play I guess.

[Golfer4Life]

This is getting good. Keep it up boys!

 

They can’t all be about slow play I guess.

 

Touché! Lol....

[finleysg]

Apparently we need a thread about waiting for the group in front while they take too much time to lift, clean and place the ball because there are so many divots.

[Mikey5e]

It's strange, they can accomplish the lift-clean-place rule without any problems, but humanity is not capable of knowing the life cycle of a divot. We can put a man on the moon, but can't figure out what a divot is. We can split atoms and create nuclear power, but can't determine what the life-cycle of a divot is. Really?

 

Well, that's because defining divot holes is unrelated to LCP, nuclear fission, and space travel.

Ahh, no kidding? My point was simple, at least I thought it was simple, that if man has the intelligence to do the things I described he has the intelligence of knowing what a divot is and what isn't. Just like every other rule in the game of golf, it comes down to trusting your opponent to abide by those rules. It would be no different with a divot rule, if there was one ever, it takes trust in people to abide by the rules. My point in my above statement is that man has the intelligence to accomplish that easily, Imo.

 

I'll simply note that YOU (apparently) haven't got the "intelligence" to tell us what a divot is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and since we're obviously not smart enough to define it, why don't you help us out ?

 

You know, so you can show us how smart you really are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

[sdandrea]

I think I'll start a forged vs cast thread and see if we can get to 12 pages. Get the popcorn out.

[Vindog]

It's strange, they can accomplish the lift-clean-place rule without any problems, but humanity is not capable of knowing the life cycle of a divot. We can put a man on the moon, but can't figure out what a divot is. We can split atoms and create nuclear power, but can't determine what the life-cycle of a divot is. Really?

 

Well, that's because defining divot holes is unrelated to LCP, nuclear fission, and space travel.

Ahh, no kidding? My point was simple, at least I thought it was simple, that if man has the intelligence to do the things I described he has the intelligence of knowing what a divot is and what isn't. Just like every other rule in the game of golf, it comes down to trusting your opponent to abide by those rules. It would be no different with a divot rule, if there was one ever, it takes trust in people to abide by the rules. My point in my above statement is that man has the intelligence to accomplish that easily, Imo.

 

I'll simply note that YOU (apparently) haven't got the "intelligence" to tell us what a divot is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and since we're obviously not smart enough to define it, why don't you help us out ?

 

You know, so you can show us how smart you really are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

 

Guido don't believe you.

 

You don't have enough golf aptitude to realize that taking an unplayable for a stroke penalty can actually save you a stroke, so that basically kills you right there.

[nsxguy]

I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

 

:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

 

So THAT'S what the 5e" is for ? "5 eagles" ? :rofl:

 

You know ? There's actually a very good reason why some people have to tell others how "smart" they are,,,,,,,,,, :rolleyes:

 

 

And, at least this explains why you appear not to know what a brag is, never mind a "passive" one.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

It is tough to spend substantial money on a game that you suck at for 5 hours. Especially when all you hear is buy buy buy this and that at $100+ to fix your swing, then get fitted, take a vaca, install your own green, use this pain cream etc.

 

Commercialism aimed at people with ample money is killing the spirit of the game. Even kids require the best clubs and outfits.

 

The elemental experience of you golfing, nature, the smells, sounds, swings, miracles are rarely mentioned. Literature (stories, fiction, humor, etc) is all but gone. Golf doesn't answer the question "What's in it for me?"

 

Today, it seems like you need money to play. Sad. I love golf on my own terms, practice all the time, have a great time with friends, my wife, and alone. My entire set of clubs cost $200--I just upgraded from a set that cost $30. I shoot to a 12. I will be 69 in Nov.

You have some valid points amongst your passive brag!

[deadsolid...shank]

I so wish I had some aptitude....

[SNIPERBBB]

I so wish I had some aptitude....��

 

At least you don't have his attitude or the mods might give ya some altitude.

[sui generis]

It's strange, they can accomplish the lift-clean-place rule without any problems, but humanity is not capable of knowing the life cycle of a divot. We can put a man on the moon, but can't figure out what a divot is. We can split atoms and create nuclear power, but can't determine what the life-cycle of a divot is. Really?

 

Well, that's because defining divot holes is unrelated to LCP, nuclear fission, and space travel.

Ahh, no kidding? My point was simple, at least I thought it was simple, that if man has the intelligence to do the things I described he has the intelligence of knowing what a divot is and what isn't. Just like every other rule in the game of golf, it comes down to trusting your opponent to abide by those rules. It would be no different with a divot rule, if there was one ever, it takes trust in people to abide by the rules. My point in my above statement is that man has the intelligence to accomplish that easily, Imo.

 

I'll simply note that YOU (apparently) haven't got the "intelligence" to tell us what a divot is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and since we're obviously not smart enough to define it, why don't you help us out ?

 

You know, so you can show us how smart you really are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

 

Promise us all that you'll never ever darken the door of the Rules folder again. You'll find a market for your gibberish in some other folder, I'm sure. So, be a teenage boy of your word and don't come back!

[2bGood]

I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

 

This could be the best troll ever? JonesScott? Beside 5 eagles in one season is not that big of deal. To make it into to a nick name is laughable. Do you play with a guy called Duece, because he once made a two, and a guy you call Jimmy-Bird cause he made 15 birdies one year?

 

Sadly and some what surprisingly I find golf skill and rule knowledge does not correlate all that well. So even if 5 eagles is a measure of greatness it is not going to tell us how well you understand the rules.

[Birdie Mac]

This thread has been unbelievably entertaining, and I've just read every post. I was going to add my two cents to the discussion, but I'm good.

[sdandrea]

It's strange, they can accomplish the lift-clean-place rule without any problems, but humanity is not capable of knowing the life cycle of a divot. We can put a man on the moon, but can't figure out what a divot is. We can split atoms and create nuclear power, but can't determine what the life-cycle of a divot is. Really?

 

Well, that's because defining divot holes is unrelated to LCP, nuclear fission, and space travel.

Ahh, no kidding? My point was simple, at least I thought it was simple, that if man has the intelligence to do the things I described he has the intelligence of knowing what a divot is and what isn't. Just like every other rule in the game of golf, it comes down to trusting your opponent to abide by those rules. It would be no different with a divot rule, if there was one ever, it takes trust in people to abide by the rules. My point in my above statement is that man has the intelligence to accomplish that easily, Imo.

 

I'll simply note that YOU (apparently) haven't got the "intelligence" to tell us what a divot is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and since we're obviously not smart enough to define it, why don't you help us out ?

 

You know, so you can show us how smart you really are,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

 

I know some really stupid people that have made a few eagles............................think about that.

[Mikey5e]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

[sui generis]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

Run off, sonny, like you said you would. :stop:

[rogolf]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

[Shilgy]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

You would think that such an astute golf mind as he would realize a couple things... one that five eagles in a year is really not that rare.....two that even his brilliance has not been able to define how to write a divot rule.

[rogolf]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

You would think that such an astute golf mind as he would realize a couple things... one that five eagles in a year is really not that rare.....two that even his brilliance has not been able to define how to write a divot rule.

 

I recall making five eagles in 36 holes in tournament match play. Didn't think of it as significant, just winning holes. And not meant as a passive brag.

[Shilgy]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

You would think that such an astute golf mind as he would realize a couple things... one that five eagles in a year is really not that rare.....two that even his brilliance has not been able to define how to write a divot rule.

 

I recall making five eagles in 36 holes in tournament match play. Didn't think of it as significant, just winning holes. And not meant as a passive brag.

Well done, and nothing passive about it!

And nice playing also ?

[Mikey5e]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

You would think that such an astute golf mind as he would realize a couple things... one that five eagles in a year is really not that rare.....two that even his brilliance has not been able to define how to write a divot rule.

 

I recall making five eagles in 36 holes in tournament match play. Didn't think of it as significant, just winning holes. And not meant as a passive brag.

Yeah right, lol. I suppose you had three hole in ones as well? Did you also break 60 in your 18 holes? sheesh.

[sui generis]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

You would think that such an astute golf mind as he would realize a couple things... one that five eagles in a year is really not that rare.....two that even his brilliance has not been able to define how to write a divot rule.

 

I recall making five eagles in 36 holes in tournament match play. Didn't think of it as significant, just winning holes. And not meant as a passive brag.

Yeah right, lol. I suppose you had three hole in ones as well? Did you also break 60 in your 18 holes? sheesh.

 

Does anyone know this kid's mother? Would you ask her to reign him in, if only to stop him from further embarrassing his family. :swoon:

[extrastiff]

Anyone wonder why after all the rule changes and things they went through. Why did they skip addressing the silliness of this rule. I get golf is like luck of the draw but it's a difficulty not in the golf course design. Just always wondered why that couldn't be free drop. I hate when you see a tournament determined by one player piping down the middle And losing because they land in a divot.

Can you cite a credible example of when and where that happened? Many players, particularly those in a tournament's lead, have the requisite skill to play a successful shot from that lie. They don't need help from the Rules.

 

Payne Stewart, 1998 US Open.

 

 

Side note... that slow mo Payne replay

Is that 2 frames per second?

 

[rogolf]

Not 5 in one year, though, that's almost unheard of.

 

I thought that you had left the conversation? Apparently not, maybe like other statements you've made?

You would think that such an astute golf mind as he would realize a couple things... one that five eagles in a year is really not that rare.....two that even his brilliance has not been able to define how to write a divot rule.

 

I recall making five eagles in 36 holes in tournament match play. Didn't think of it as significant, just winning holes. And not meant as a passive brag.

Yeah right, lol. I suppose you had three hole in ones as well? Did you also break 60 in your 18 holes? sheesh.

Match play, as indicated. Gross score is irrelevant.

I thought that you had left the building?

[davep043]

Yeah right, lol. I suppose you had three hole in ones as well? Did you also break 60 in your 18 holes? sheesh.

Match play, as indicated. Gross score is irrelevant.

I thought that you had left the building?

As long as we give him attention, he'll keep sticking around.

[Mikey5e]

Yeah right, lol. I suppose you had three hole in ones as well? Did you also break 60 in your 18 holes? sheesh.

Match play, as indicated. Gross score is irrelevant.

I thought that you had left the building?

As long as we give him attention, he'll keep sticking around.

That's the last straw, I'm out of here!

[QEight]

Yeah right, lol. I suppose you had three hole in ones as well? Did you also break 60 in your 18 holes? sheesh.

Match play, as indicated. Gross score is irrelevant.

I thought that you had left the building?

As long as we give him attention, he'll keep sticking around.

That's the last straw, I'm out of here!

 

Straws are now out, finally even the last one.