Tiger Woods 2019 Taylormade Irons...P7TW?

[mjbaker80]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Redjeep83 said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @BirdieBob said:

> > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > @Z4Z3R said:

> > > > > > > > I'm still not clear on the Tiger spec vs regular spec in regards to bounce. If they are forging/milling them at the std spec (which I imagine is the case) then getting them at Tiger's spec would mean they would have much more bounce than he actually plays with. This seems very crucial. If they are just bending to Tiger's specs, than I would feel like the standard would play more similar to Tiger's in regards to turf interaction.

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> > > > > > > No iron is forged to an exact spec. Only a window. A big window. Then sole is ground or milled and lie and loft bent ( as needed , probably in opposite order ). Like I said before. We don’t know if tigers are made to 49 degrees then sole is shaped. Or of he bends them weak to gain bounce and lose offset.

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> > > > > > > Think about it. Using the logic that a head is made toa specific loft. Wouldn’t you also have to have many different heads for specific lie angle ? Most forged heads can be ordered plus or minus 4 degrees. That’s an 8 degree window. So 8 different heads needed for Stock ? Nope.

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> > > > > > I would think they are milled to his exact spec, but could be wrong. Depending on the size of the forging their might be enough material to mill to his spec as well as mill to a more standard spec.

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> > > > > Right. But is that to 47 then weakened ? Or is it to 49 from the beginning ?

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> > > > > It’s a good question. It’s one of a couple scenarios. It’s either that TM doesn’t own the program to mill his irons. ( as in MT owns it ). Or that they are identical to tigers and are just bent to 47. Which lessens bounce. Or these are cheap imitations altogether.

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> > > > > The commercial where tiger speaks on these he says that the milled sole allows them to replicate his grind as many times as he needs. One would hope that they didn’t write a new program for a retail release. Literally makes no sense to do so. We can compare to tiger iron pics when they finally arrive and see.

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> > > > > Would be great if Taylormade would pop back in and tell us.

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> > > > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/comment/18884951#Comment_18884951

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> > > > -Just a follow-up for this.......As I stated the Tiger specs are derived from the Retail head and bent to Tigers loft/lie.

> > > > There is no separated Tiger head produced.

> > > > Verified: Matt, Product Specialitst TM

> > > >

> > > > -He was not sure about bounce/offset, but suggested the heads would be Tigers specs.....which means when they are then bent that will change those specs.

> > > > Verified: Matt, Product Specialist TM

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > So. As I suspected. The grinds etc are same as tigers. Tigers irons are just bent to a 49 pw. Which I’m sure is done for multiple reasons ( bounce , offset and gaping to sand wedge ).

> > >

> > > So all the hand wringing can be stopped about having to bend these a little weak . The added bounce is probably a plus for most.

> >

> > so when you get them bent for Tigers loft they are no longer the same bounce/offset as Tigers? That's what I gather from the post. If I am buying Tigers irons, that is one area I would like to be exactly like Tigers (bounce/offset). Tiger is really picky about that stuff and would be cool to play the same.

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> I get the opposite. I get that they aren’t his specs until bent weak.

 

Do we know that? If that the case, that's pretty cool (that if they're bent they ARE Tiger's exact specs).

[autronicdsm]

If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

[QuigleyDU]

> @autronicdsm said:

> If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

 

Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

[denvergolf]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @autronicdsm said:

> > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

>

> Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

 

And desparately needs "Tiger specs" with a 49* pitching wedge. Go buy some Pings, get them bent weak to spec and put a bounce grind on them...

[bladehunter]

> @mjbaker80 said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @Redjeep83 said:

> > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > @BirdieBob said:

> > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > @Krt22 said:

> > > > > > > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > > > > > > @Z4Z3R said:

> > > > > > > > > I'm still not clear on the Tiger spec vs regular spec in regards to bounce. If they are forging/milling them at the std spec (which I imagine is the case) then getting them at Tiger's spec would mean they would have much more bounce than he actually plays with. This seems very crucial. If they are just bending to Tiger's specs, than I would feel like the standard would play more similar to Tiger's in regards to turf interaction.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No iron is forged to an exact spec. Only a window. A big window. Then sole is ground or milled and lie and loft bent ( as needed , probably in opposite order ). Like I said before. We don’t know if tigers are made to 49 degrees then sole is shaped. Or of he bends them weak to gain bounce and lose offset.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Think about it. Using the logic that a head is made toa specific loft. Wouldn’t you also have to have many different heads for specific lie angle ? Most forged heads can be ordered plus or minus 4 degrees. That’s an 8 degree window. So 8 different heads needed for Stock ? Nope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would think they are milled to his exact spec, but could be wrong. Depending on the size of the forging their might be enough material to mill to his spec as well as mill to a more standard spec.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Right. But is that to 47 then weakened ? Or is it to 49 from the beginning ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It’s a good question. It’s one of a couple scenarios. It’s either that TM doesn’t own the program to mill his irons. ( as in MT owns it ). Or that they are identical to tigers and are just bent to 47. Which lessens bounce. Or these are cheap imitations altogether.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The commercial where tiger speaks on these he says that the milled sole allows them to replicate his grind as many times as he needs. One would hope that they didn’t write a new program for a retail release. Literally makes no sense to do so. We can compare to tiger iron pics when they finally arrive and see.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would be great if Taylormade would pop back in and tell us.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > https://forums.golfwrx.com/discussion/comment/18884951#Comment_18884951

> > > > >

> > > > > -Just a follow-up for this.......As I stated the Tiger specs are derived from the Retail head and bent to Tigers loft/lie.

> > > > > There is no separated Tiger head produced.

> > > > > Verified: Matt, Product Specialitst TM

> > > > >

> > > > > -He was not sure about bounce/offset, but suggested the heads would be Tigers specs.....which means when they are then bent that will change those specs.

> > > > > Verified: Matt, Product Specialist TM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > So. As I suspected. The grinds etc are same as tigers. Tigers irons are just bent to a 49 pw. Which I’m sure is done for multiple reasons ( bounce , offset and gaping to sand wedge ).

> > > >

> > > > So all the hand wringing can be stopped about having to bend these a little weak . The added bounce is probably a plus for most.

> > >

> > > so when you get them bent for Tigers loft they are no longer the same bounce/offset as Tigers? That's what I gather from the post. If I am buying Tigers irons, that is one area I would like to be exactly like Tigers (bounce/offset). Tiger is really picky about that stuff and would be cool to play the same.

> >

> > I get the opposite. I get that they aren’t his specs until bent weak.

>

> Do we know that? If that the case, that's pretty cool (that if they're bent they ARE Tiger's exact specs).

 

No. Honestly. We don’t know anything. And Tm isn’t saying.

[bladehunter]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @autronicdsm said:

> > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

>

> Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

 

When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

 

To be clear. I’m not throwing shade at TM . You said nobody would believe them. So there’s an obvious issue. Yes ? Took years to make it that way I’d assume.

 

What I do not get is why they can clearly follow this thread. Come and post to ramp up the anticipation. Yet answer no questions. This thread can be read from start to finish and you will be more confused than I am now. That’s how much this release has either changed or not been made clear from the start. It’s crazy. And as a Taylormade customer. I’m able to say that.

[denvergolf]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> >

> > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

>

> When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

 

You're a reasonable guy. What's the big issue? People wanting to play Tiger specs, when they could basically do so any number of ways including just taking a sharpie and writing "PW" on another set's gap wedge and so on...

[BearQ]

Can I send my resume in for the TM social media account. I’ll answer all these tedious questions and promise no sleep pics or false sold out claims.

[QuigleyDU]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> >

> > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

>

> When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

>

> To be clear. I’m not throwing shade at TM . You said nobody would believe them. So there’s an obvious issue. Yes ? Took years to make it that way I’d assume.

>

> What I do not get is why they can clearly follow this thread. Come and post to ramp up the anticipation. Yet answer no questions. This thread can be read from start to finish and you will be more confused than I am now. That’s how much this release has either changed or not been made clear from the start. It’s crazy. And as a Taylormade customer. I’m able to say that.

 

I think that it has more to do with people thinking tigers irons are mythical creatures.

[bladehunter]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> > >

> > > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

> >

> > When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

> >

> > To be clear. I’m not throwing shade at TM . You said nobody would believe them. So there’s an obvious issue. Yes ? Took years to make it that way I’d assume.

> >

> > What I do not get is why they can clearly follow this thread. Come and post to ramp up the anticipation. Yet answer no questions. This thread can be read from start to finish and you will be more confused than I am now. That’s how much this release has either changed or not been made clear from the start. It’s crazy. And as a Taylormade customer. I’m able to say that.

>

> I think that it has more to do with people thinking tigers irons are mythical creatures.

 

Well. I’d say around 3 sets exist. So probably pretty close to mythical.

[bladehunter]

> @denvergolf said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> > >

> > > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

> >

> > When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

>

> You're a reasonable guy. What's the big issue? People wanting to play Tiger specs, when they could basically do so any number of ways including just taking a sharpie and writing "PW" on another set's gap wedge and so on...

 

 

Grand scheme of things it’s nothing. Nobody dies etc.

 

Just that for $2k it’s puzzling to me why it can’t be the same?

 

I’ve already said I believe it’s going to be a good iron. But it’s the drama surrounding it that gets my goat.

 

You’re example was ping. If pings releasing this there isn’t any guessing going on past a day or two.

[denvergolf]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @denvergolf said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> > > >

> > > > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

> > >

> > > When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

> >

> > You're a reasonable guy. What's the big issue? People wanting to play Tiger specs, when they could basically do so any number of ways including just taking a sharpie and writing "PW" on another set's gap wedge and so on...

>

>

> Grand scheme of things it’s nothing. Nobody dies etc.

>

> Just that for $2k it’s puzzling to me why it can’t be the same?

>

> I’ve already said I believe it’s going to be a good iron. But it’s the drama surrounding it that gets my goat.

>

> You’re example was ping. If pings releasing this there isn’t any guessing going on past a day or two.

 

I do like Ping. Probably my favorite manuf. going back to high school. I guess what I'm getting at is you are one of a very small sample that may benefit from Tiger specs (length, weight, loft, etc.) I trust that the majority of their consumers will buy these, hit them short and sh**y and label them bad.

[MK7Golf21]

> @denvergolf said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> > >

> > > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

> >

> > When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

>

> You're a reasonable guy. What's the big issue? People wanting to play Tiger specs, when they could basically do so any number of ways including just taking a sharpie and writing "PW" on another set's gap wedge and so on...

 

They cost 2 grand and are marketing them as Tigers preferences. You could write pw on another sets gap wedge but it wouldn’t be the same at all. Go watch the videos on the product page and Tiger goes into detail about sole grinds, trajectory, looks and feel and says these are finally it. Does it matter to my game, no not at all, but with that thinking I might as well just go buy a set of custom mizuno irons and save a grand.

 

[Jagpilotohio]

This Thread is like an annoying energizer bunny. It just goes on and on and on babbling about the same stuff.

 

“I MUST have them EXACTLY like Tigers”. Well.....no. No you really don’t.

People whining like 4 year olds about a couple of degrees of loft and bounce. Good lord.

[denvergolf]

> @Redjeep83 said:

> > @denvergolf said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> > > >

> > > > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

> > >

> > > When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

> >

> > You're a reasonable guy. What's the big issue? People wanting to play Tiger specs, when they could basically do so any number of ways including just taking a sharpie and writing "PW" on another set's gap wedge and so on...

>

> They cost 2 grand and are marketing them as Tigers preferences. You could write pw on another sets gap wedge but it wouldn’t be the same at all. Go watch the videos on the product page and Tiger goes into detail about sole grinds, trajectory, looks and feel and says these are finally it. Does it matter to my game, no not at all, but with that thinking ********I might as well just go buy a set of custom mizuno irons and save a grand.********

>

 

That would be the smartest thing to monetarily, fo sho. I like the thin sole, but as near as I can tell the wiz bang thing about the sole is that it's milled, and he can guarantee the exact same grind until he's done playing. I guess we all purchase for different reasons, and mine is purely visual. Do they look like I want them to at address, and for me they check all the boxes. For others, that's not the case.

My only lack of understanding is why people would want to play Tiger's specs, when the only thing that will make you hit them better are YOUR specs.

[bladehunter]

> @Redjeep83 said:

> > @denvergolf said:

> > > @bladehunter said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @autronicdsm said:

> > > > > If these are designed by/with Tiger why in the world would they be 47* for PW, then bent 2* weak. Why not design a head that's exact spec and sole shape right out of the CNC machine?! Whatever. I still want a set.

> > > >

> > > > Seriously. All this bs about tigers equipment when no one knows. A TM rep could (and has) say they are the same and know one would believe him. Somehow a 15 handicapper knows better.

> > >

> > > When there’s a credibility issue. Do we blame the ones who have that issue. Or the ones who don’t trust ?

> >

> > You're a reasonable guy. What's the big issue? People wanting to play Tiger specs, when they could basically do so any number of ways including just taking a sharpie and writing "PW" on another set's gap wedge and so on...

>

> They cost 2 grand and are marketing them as Tigers preferences. You could write pw on another sets gap wedge but it wouldn’t be the same at all. Go watch the videos on the product page and Tiger goes into detail about sole grinds, trajectory, looks and feel and says these are finally it. Does it matter to my game, no not at all, but with that thinking I might as well just go buy a set of custom mizuno irons and save a grand.

>

Yes. That’s my point. Or fear. That there is a lot of shady speak going on that’s justifying the markup.

 

[bladehunter]

> @Jagpilotohio said:

> This Thread is like an annoying energizer bunny. It just goes on and on and on babbling about the same stuff.

>

> “I MUST have them EXACTLY like Tigers”. Well.....no. No you really don’t.

> People whining like 4 year olds about a couple of degrees of loft and bounce. Good lord.

 

 

For what it’s worth. My set will have modus 130 put in quickly with a detailed build. I’ll know what weights Are etc. Lofts bent to my own gaps and offset preferences. My argument is on principle. Don’t sell something that isn’t what you claim it is. Surely that can be separated in the mind?

 

 

[1s1k]

Whelp, sorry to interrupt this amazing conversation. But I just received an email saying my irons have shipped and I will have them delivered by the end of the day on 04/26. Can't wait to have them in hand.

[denvergolf]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Jagpilotohio said:

> > This Thread is like an annoying energizer bunny. It just goes on and on and on babbling about the same stuff.

> >

> > “I MUST have them EXACTLY like Tigers”. Well.....no. No you really don’t.

> > People whining like 4 year olds about a couple of degrees of loft and bounce. Good lord.

>

>

> For what it’s worth. My set will have modus 130 put in quickly with a detailed build. I’ll know what weights Are etc. Lofts bent to my own gaps and offset preferences. My argument is on principle. Don’t sell something that isn’t what you claim it is. Surely that can be separated in the mind?

>

>

 

You overestimate my mental capacity! I hope you like them...heck, I hope I like them...

[KYGolfer11]

I will say I'm very excited about this release, and even purchased a set. I was on the fence, but admittedly when TW won the Masters -- I thought, what the heck? and pulled the trigger.

 

I understand the argument about how TM has handled the release. When I bought them 4/14... you could "only" customize them. The "stock" was based off a 47* pitching wedge, even though TM openly says TW plays 49*. Then, about a week after I purchased them -- I saw TM ADDED an "Add to Cart" for TW's "EXACT" specs. Why in the world couldn't you do this from the get go?

 

Out of curiosity, I called TM to see if I could just "tweak" my order from 4/14 so I wouldn't have to cancel, then start from scratch to get TW's specs. The TM customer service rep told me they had gotten a memo the day before saying "NO order that's already been placed can be adjusted." He said I would have to cancel my order, and place a NEW one. That would delay the ship date to late July instead of mid-May. In hindsight, no big deal.

 

But, as others have said, this is arguably one of TM's biggest releases of all time... and they add the TRUE "Tiger Spec" option a week or so after her Master's win, instead of at the initial release? Maybe that wasn't the plan and they just decided to do it post-TW Masters win. Who knows...

[Jagpilotohio]

> @KYGolfer11 said:

> I will say I'm very excited about this release, and even purchased a set. I was on the fence, but admittedly when TW won the Masters -- I thought, what the heck? and pulled the trigger.

>

> But, as others have said, this is arguably one of TM's biggest releases of all time... and they add the TRUE "Tiger Spec" option a week or so after her Master's win, instead of at the initial release? Maybe that wasn't the plan and they just decided to do it post-TW Masters win. Who knows...

 

People have argued this is “Taylormades biggest release of all time” ??? Really? Others have posted that?

 

What in the wide world of sports is everyone smoking?? They are blades. The market is TINY. Teeny tiny. Itsy bitsy. Some of You guys are getting all worked into a froth and totally disconnecting from reality. They will sell 10 times the number of P790’s than they will these things.

[KYGolfer11]

> @Jagpilotohio said:

> > @KYGolfer11 said:

> > I will say I'm very excited about this release, and even purchased a set. I was on the fence, but admittedly when TW won the Masters -- I thought, what the heck? and pulled the trigger.

> >

> > But, as others have said, this is arguably one of TM's biggest releases of all time... and they add the TRUE "Tiger Spec" option a week or so after her Master's win, instead of at the initial release? Maybe that wasn't the plan and they just decided to do it post-TW Masters win. Who knows...

>

> People have argued this is “Taylormades biggest release of all time” ??? Really? Others have posted that?

>

> What in the wide world of sports is everyone smoking?? They are blades. The market is TINY. Teeny tiny. Itsy bitsy. Some of You guys are getting all worked into a froth and totally disconnecting from reality. They will sell 10 times the number of P790’s than they will these things.

 

Even IF it's not -- doesn't really matter. My point is -- it is STILL a BIG release -- and it SEEMS like they can't get it quite right.

[TheMoneyShot]

Mine should be delivered today by 8pm.

[KYGolfer11]

> @TheMoneyShot said:

> Mine should be delivered today by 8pm.

 

Lucky you! Did you order them stock?

[TheMoneyShot]

> @KYGolfer11 said:

> > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > Mine should be delivered today by 8pm.

>

> Lucky you! Did you order them stock?

 

Mine are Tiger spec’d.

[KYGolfer11]

> @TheMoneyShot said:

> > @KYGolfer11 said:

> > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > Mine should be delivered today by 8pm.

> >

> > Lucky you! Did you order them stock?

>

> Mine are Tiger spec’d.

 

Did you place your order the first day you could pre-order?

[TheMoneyShot]

> @KYGolfer11 said:

> > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > @KYGolfer11 said:

> > > > @TheMoneyShot said:

> > > > Mine should be delivered today by 8pm.

> > >

> > > Lucky you! Did you order them stock?

> >

> > Mine are Tiger spec’d.

>

> Did you place your order the first day you could pre-order?

 

The guy I ordered from has a inside connection at TM, so I was able to get in there before preorders started. I got super lucky on this one.

[mjbaker80]

> @Jagpilotohio said:

> This Thread is like an annoying energizer bunny. It just goes on and on and on babbling about the same stuff.

>

> “I MUST have them EXACTLY like Tigers”. Well.....no. No you really don’t.

> People whining like 4 year olds about a couple of degrees of loft and bounce. Good lord.

 

Big fan of you Jag, always love your content and contributions but, hear me out here..... why is it bad if someone wants to own a set that are built to the spec of arguably the greatest player ever to strike a golf ball? I can't hold Tiger's shoe bag in terms of talent, but, he moved the needle for me and made me love the game that much more. Moreover, just because a guy (or girl) isn't Tiger woods doesn't mean you couldn't learn a thing or two from playing tools similar to his (I know they will never be identical)....(enter dowels, puring, bent vs built arguments.....

I like analogies..... if a guy is into world class auto racing and had a chance to own a car built for Andretti or Schumacher that's pretty cool right? I mean, we all agree that guy can't drive it like Andretti or Schumacher, but, to experience (close to experience) the specifications, what they liked, etc., is pretty cool.

Do I think I'm Tiger Woods? Nope. Do I wear red mock turtle necks? Nope (wouldn't put other players through the pain of seeing my dad gut). Can I spin a ball sideways out of a fairway bunker to 9 feet? Nope. But, could I get enjoyment out of having these? Yes. Is it CLOSE to having a set of T blades like the lucky few in this thread? Yes/Maybe. Could I learn a little something about ball striking in the process. Yes.

I don't think there is anyone in here that can say "these irons will benefit my golf game." If they would, good on you and I'm jealous of your game! But, if we only sanction golf purchases that do....well, not sure how long the equipment business will last.....

As I said, I LOVE your contributions; Bladehunter, too. And, I'm not being *****ly or "throwing shade" as the kids say these days. Just offering perspective.

I do think it's ok if a guy/gal wants to own these for no other reason than.... "these are pretty darn close to the irons that Tiger Woods plays." So, the back and forth about HOW CLOSE they are I think is ok, to that end. For me, I'd love them to be as close as possible and would love to see what it's like to play irons at his lofts to see what that is like....I think we all can agree this is the closest FULL RETAIL RELEASE (key word RETAIL) to his irons, right?

It's all love fellas! Bottom line - this is GREAT for the game of golf!

 

Whether I agree or disagree, all perspectives in this thread have made me think; so thank you all for that!

[tgoodspe1991]

I wouldn't be surprised if Taylormade just bends Tiger's irons weak to achieve his specs. Every photo I've seen of Tiger's irons through the years show next to zero offset in all the clubs, and he has even stated he likes to play more bounce in his irons than most guys. Those two pieces of information point towards what happens when you just bend clubs weaker.

 

I know it's Tiger, and we all like to believe he's a God that gets unicorn sticks. Maybe I'm naive, but it seems like a ton of money for Taylormade to have an entirely different set of tools and forging processes for one guy's irons just to forge them 2* weak on top of all the money they are already paying him. Besides, there's so much variance in a forging process that all of Tiger's irons (just like anyone's off a forge) will require bending to some degree to get to exact specs. Nobody's irons come out of manufacturing at perfect specs.

 

Again, maybe I'm naive, but I have no reason to believe these irons aren't from the exact same process that Tiger's are, ours are just bent stronger while his are bent weaker. If you bend your weaker (which I will a little) then I bet they are the same. Even regardless of that if they aren't, these are 100% going to be the closest we'll ever get at least.

[tgoodspe1991]

I'm just upset now I ordered my set 4-PW... I have no idea when I'm going to be able to order just a 3-iron!