2019 And The Pin Is In

[Augster]

 

 

- still a little awkward getting the ball out of the hole (fortunately I didn't make many putts to worry about that :) )

 

 

 

My friend just got back from Vegas after going to Florida with me earlier this month. So he has 17 rounds in. This is exactly his diagnosis. It’s a PITA to take the ball out of the cup.

 

From 20+ feet and nobody around, sure, leave the pin in and play ready golf.

 

But if guys in a group are putting it out, he says he’s taking it out. If people are playing with a lot of gimme’s and conceded putts, it’ll make more sense to leave it in. But if everything is going to the bottom of the cup, he says he’s taking it out just because it’s easier to get the ball out.

 

Something to that for sure.

[KevCarter]

 

 

- still a little awkward getting the ball out of the hole (fortunately I didn't make many putts to worry about that :) )

 

 

 

My friend just got back from Vegas after going to Florida with me earlier this month. So he has 17 rounds in. This is exactly his diagnosis. It’s a PITA to take the ball out of the cup.

 

From 20+ feet and nobody around, sure, leave the pin in and play ready golf.

 

But if guys in a group are putting it out, he says he’s taking it out. If people are playing with a lot of gimme’s and conceded putts, it’ll make more sense to leave it in. But if everything is going to the bottom of the cup, he says he’s taking it out just because it’s easier to get the ball out.

 

Something to that for sure.

 

If I were still playing, I would be one of the guys screwing things up. I can’t imagine putting from 15’ and in with the pin in.

[Sawgrass]

- still a little awkward getting the ball out of the hole (fortunately I didn't make many putts to worry about that :) )

 

 

 

My friend just got back from Vegas after going to Florida with me earlier this month. So he has 17 rounds in. This is exactly his diagnosis. It's a PITA to take the ball out of the cup.

 

From 20+ feet and nobody around, sure, leave the pin in and play ready golf.

 

But if guys in a group are putting it out, he says he's taking it out. If people are playing with a lot of gimme's and conceded putts, it'll make more sense to leave it in. But if everything is going to the bottom of the cup, he says he's taking it out just because it's easier to get the ball out.

 

Something to that for sure.

What do we need? I'll tell you what we need. Skinnier flagsticks to create more room in the hole and thereby making it easier to pull the ball out of the hole, and to minimize the help the flagstick might provide while putting. Or, a two-inch diameter conical flange at the bottom of the stick which catches the ball resting on the bottom of the hole and allows you to pull the resting ball out of the hole as the flagstick is removed.

 

Anyone what to sign my petition?

[swizbeatz]

Your previous comment is laughably antagonistic.

 

As I do not master English language but only use it according to my humble abilities as a tool to communicate with those who do not understand my mother tongue I had to look up the word antagonistic from a dictionary. Having found the meaning I thought 'now, there's a contradiction: laughably antagonistic!'.

 

If something makes one laugh it cannot possibly be hostile. Antagonistic IS a synonym of hostile, is it not?

 

 

Correct. Your post made no sense besides being hostile. In the overall context of the thread it was laughable, ie you claimed not to be hostile but couldn’t have been more so, and I laughed at you. Need any more help don’t hesitate to hit up Mirriam or Webster (an example of being unnecessarily antagonistic).

[bk52]

Getting back to " in or out", I think the suggestion of casually polling the foursome as to their preference at the start of the round makes sense. It is possible all 4 will state they want it in or they all want it out/ tended. Most of the time it will be a mix. At least everyone can expect how the flag stick will be handled. Perfect? No, but perhaps slightly better than figuring out how to handle the flag stick every time the group is near or on the green.

[Roadking2003]

Another round with it yesterday - everyone was leave it in over 40 feet, for the most part. One person was take it out on anything less than that, no matter what. One person was take it out unless they were putting downhill. Another person and myself were leave it in always, but putted with it out a few times. Thoughts -

 

- club golf, we all know each other, so communication and saying what we want isn't a big deal. But the next am tournament I play, I think its a good idea to pronounce what you want to do with it on the first green, so people can plan accordingly

 

 

Plan what, exactly?

 

'Well, I like to keep the pin in when I am putting downhill.. but if the slope is only slight I think I want the pin out, I think... well, depends if it is a straight putt. If it is a long putt I want to have the pin in but when I get closer I want it out... most of the time... well, depends on the putt and the slope... and if I do not have to mind other players' lines of play... and if the sun is not shining on my face, then I may want the pin in. Or out.'

 

You meant something like that..?

 

Yeah, I mean if you are a complete tool bag I'm sure you could try to announce every possible scenario to be as pedantic as possible. For the rest of us, you probably have a preference, always in or always out. Something like that.

 

Many of us go either way. I prefer it in because it helps focus on a smaller target, but if the pin is already out, I putt with it out.

[Roadking2003]

The different posts and opinions just prove that it's going to be an issue on the course. Casually, no big deal, but for tournaments, it's a distraction I dont need or want to have to consider. Like the dude in a tournament holding the flag and moving it around I can see out of the corner of my eye because I know he wants to run up to put the flag in to putt as soon as my putter face makes contact with the ball. Kinda like when you are the last one to hole out and the guy picks up the flag and is behind you ready to slam in the pin as soon as you are done. I dont like it. We were better off with the flag out. I hope they change it back.

 

Maybe a case of rabbit ears..... and eagle eyes.....

 

Also, I've never seen anybody "run up to put the flag in"... but maybe I just wasn't looking.

[Deuce78]

The different posts and opinions just prove that it's going to be an issue on the course. Casually, no big deal, but for tournaments, it's a distraction I dont need or want to have to consider. Like the dude in a tournament holding the flag and moving it around I can see out of the corner of my eye because I know he wants to run up to put the flag in to putt as soon as my putter face makes contact with the ball. Kinda like when you are the last one to hole out and the guy picks up the flag and is behind you ready to slam in the pin as soon as you are done. I dont like it. We were better off with the flag out. I hope they change it back.

 

Maybe a case of rabbit ears..... and eagle eyes.....

 

Also, I've never seen anybody "run up to put the flag in"... but maybe I just wasn't looking.

I'll take that as a compliment. But believe me they are out there and there are many.

[nsxguy]

Well, there we have it.

 

Furyk on 17 hits the flagstick dead center and it comes out on the front lip.

 

It was going pretty good but didn't look that bad. Would it have gone over the back lip ? Faldo thinks so. I'm not sure.

 

But for the first time I've seen, a virtually dead center hit stays out. Wonder if this will change Furyk's thought pattern,,,,,,, at all,,,,,,

[bladehunter]

I say it drops. That ball was 3 ft by I’d say. And dead middle.

[nsxguy]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

[bladehunter]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

[nsxguy]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

[deadsolid...shank]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

I think he would have had to have been really lucky for that one to fall. It would have been one of those that hopped straight up in the air and then dropped straight down. Furyk said it was really moving. I think it is more likely it saved him a stroke than costing him one.

[davep043]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

I think he would have had to have been really lucky for that one to fall. It would have been one of those that hopped straight up in the air and then dropped straight down. Furyk said it was really moving. I think it is more likely it saved him a stroke than costing him one.

Watching that, and reading some of the twitter comments, its plain that everyone sees evidence that it works just the way he thought it was going to work. Some are certain the pin kept it out, others are equally certain it had no chance at that speed. Who knows? Even if its the right choice, statistically, its not ALWAYS going to work out right. I liked Furyk's reaction.

[deadsolid...shank]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

I think he would have had to have been really lucky for that one to fall. It would have been one of those that hopped straight up in the air and then dropped straight down. Furyk said it was really moving. I think it is more likely it saved him a stroke than costing him one.

Watching that, and reading some of the twitter comments, its plain that everyone sees evidence that it works just the way he thought it was going to work. Some are certain the pin kept it out, others are equally certain it had no chance at that speed. Who knows? Even if its the right choice, statistically, its not ALWAYS going to work out right. I liked Furyk's reaction.

 

I agree, he just laughed at it. The only thing I was certain of was it didn’t fall (but I do think it ended up closer than it would have if it hadn’t hit).

[davep043]

 

I think he would have had to have been really lucky for that one to fall. It would have been one of those that hopped straight up in the air and then dropped straight down. Furyk said it was really moving. I think it is more likely it saved him a stroke than costing him one.

Watching that, and reading some of the twitter comments, its plain that everyone sees evidence that it works just the way he thought it was going to work. Some are certain the pin kept it out, others are equally certain it had no chance at that speed. Who knows? Even if its the right choice, statistically, its not ALWAYS going to work out right. I liked Furyk's reaction.

 

I agree, he just laughed at it. The only thing I was certain of was it didn’t fall (but I do think it ended up closer than it would have if it hadn’t hit��).

Yup, if it misses the flagstick and hole, its several feet past, some people are guessing as far as 10 feet. It ended up a couple of inches away.

[bladehunter]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

An Effective lie to yourself has to be believed or else why ?

 

As in to say it comes out calls into question his whole new pin in belief system. And doubt is the enemy of good play. So he either lies to himself. Or starts having the pin attended from long range. And pulls it from short.

[nsxguy]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

An Effective lie to yourself has to be believed or else why ?

 

As in to say it comes out calls into question his whole new pin in belief system. And doubt is the enemy of good play. So he either lies to himself. Or starts having the pin attended from long range. And pulls it from short.

 

So is that a "Yes", he's lying" or a "No, he's not lying" ? :blink: :blink: :blink:

 

And if one lies says something to oneself and one believes it, is it really a lie ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

edited to add - Sorry, didn't mean to ask you 2 questions at once. ;)

[Roadking2003]

Watching that, and reading some of the twitter comments, its plain that everyone sees evidence that it works just the way he thought it was going to work. Some are certain the pin kept it out, others are equally certain it had no chance at that speed. Who knows? Even if its the right choice, statistically, its not ALWAYS going to work out right. I liked Furyk's reaction.

 

One of my golf buddies saw a dead center putt get rejected by the pole and is convinced it would have gone in otherwise. I saw the same putt and have doubts. So yes, there will always be a disagreement on this.

 

There is also the visual aspect. I like it in on 10 footers or less because I have found that it helps me putt more aggressively.

[DrSchteeve]

A small but real enhancement is that you can read the pin from the fairway when it is left in by the group ahead, helping pace of play.

[bladehunter]

Furyk is being interviewed right now and he sounds pretty sure it would NOT have stayed in. :dntknw:

 

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

An Effective lie to yourself has to be believed or else why ?

 

As in to say it comes out calls into question his whole new pin in belief system. And doubt is the enemy of good play. So he either lies to himself. Or starts having the pin attended from long range. And pulls it from short.

 

So is that a "Yes", he's lying" or a "No, he's not lying" ? :blink: :blink: :blink:

 

And if one lies says something to oneself and one believes it, is it really a lie ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

edited to add - Sorry, didn't mean to ask you 2 questions at once. ;)

 

It’s ok. I’ll just ignore them.

 

Depends on if lying to yourself is lying? Also depends on if he knows he’s lying to himself. He may not be aware. In that case. He’s really good !

[nsxguy]

Have to lie to yourself sometimes to keep from losing your mind.

 

So you're suggesting that Furyk is "lying to himself" ? He said it but doesn't believe it ? :blind:

 

An Effective lie to yourself has to be believed or else why ?

 

As in to say it comes out calls into question his whole new pin in belief system. And doubt is the enemy of good play. So he either lies to himself. Or starts having the pin attended from long range. And pulls it from short.

 

So is that a "Yes", he's lying" or a "No, he's not lying" ? :blink: :blink: :blink:

 

And if one lies says something to oneself and one believes it, is it really a lie ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

 

edited to add - Sorry, didn't mean to ask you 2 questions at once. ;)

 

It's ok. I'll just ignore them.

 

Depends on if lying to yourself is lying? Also depends on if he knows he's lying to himself. He may not be aware. In that case. He's really good !

 

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[bladehunter]

Maybe a playoff today with Furyk and Rory if that pin is out ? That’s a maddening thought.

[QEight]

A small but real enhancement is that you can read the pin from the fairway when it is left in by the group ahead, helping pace of play.

 

No more "153 to the bum of the red shirt".

[nsxguy]

bladehunter said:

Maybe a playoff today with Furyk and Rory if that pin is out ? That’s a maddening thought.

Woulda been a playoff between those 2 if Furyk hadn't decelled on a 3 foot putt on 15(?). THAT cost him the playoff. 

[HitEmTrue]

bladehunter said:

Maybe a playoff today with Furyk and Rory if that pin is out ? That’s a maddening thought.

More likely Furyk could have missed the 10 foot comebacker and finished tied for 3rd.   Some would find the assistance he got from the pin to be maddening.  

[Imp]

> @bk52 said:

> Getting back to " in or out", I think the suggestion of casually polling the foursome as to their preference at the start of the round makes sense. It is possible all 4 will state they want it in or they all want it out/ tended. Most of the time it will be a mix. At least everyone can expect how the flag stick will be handled. Perfect? No, but perhaps slightly better than figuring out how to handle the flag stick every time the group is near or on the green.

 

What do you do if, as you say, "most of the time it will be a mix"? Force it upon others to do your bidding? (Or conversely they upon you?) Wouldn't this be considered Waiving a Rule of Golf and not allowed? I find it better to, sure, get a general feeling, but it's up to each hole if I want it in or out. I have an "idea" I'd like it in usually, but there may be times I want it removed. No "must".

 

--kC

[jmkenn0]

Had a reject! wind had blown the flag to a bit of a lean to the right, putt was breaking left up hill, so I went right edge. Sure enough, bounced out to the right! Definitely would have went in without it. I had been putting with it in all day so someone put the flag back in for me, I actually thought about removing it but was too lazy.

[Roadking2003]

> @turtlekc said:

> If I were still playing, I would be one of the guys **** things up. I can’t imagine putting from 15’ and in with the pin in.

 

It's quite easy to get used to it. And I find it helps me putt more aggressively on shorter putts.