Why is the PGA Championship still a Major?

[Roadking2003]

> @GolfChannel said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @Vindog said:

> > > > There is no perfect analogy. That one works though. Besides, apples and oranges are more alike than they get credit for. Both grow on trees, both have seeds, both are fruit,, etc...

> > > >

> > > > You have not answered my question, "What next?" After their declaration, what next? How do they get to the same level of the other 4 with just a declaration?

> > >

> > > Are you just not reading the above posts? The Tour wouldn’t have to declare anything. Just move the Players to May and don’t play in the PGA

> >

> > The PGA Tour can't move or cancel the PGA Championship. They don't own it.

>

> I think the part you’re missing is that he is saying the PGA Tour could schedule what it wants when it wants to. So, in this instance, they could schedule a more attractive opposite event to whenever the PGA of America scheduled the PGA Championship and force them to choose. Hard to believe the players would choose the PGA over the Tour.

>

> Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

 

If the PGA Tour chose to go to war with the majors, they could schedule other tournaments over them. But that would require lots of support from key players and also lots of support from the individual tournaments.

 

Can you imagine the PGA Tour going to Jack and telling him they are scheduling his tournament on top of the Masters? Jack would tell them to stuff it where the sun don't shine.

 

There is no way the PGA Tour would win a war with all of the other powers in golf. It would be very easy for a group of players and golf's powerful people to start an opposing PGA Tour.

[Roadking2003]

> @GolfChannel said:

> Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

 

No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

 

 

[LICC]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @GolfChannel said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > @Vindog said:

> > > > > There is no perfect analogy. That one works though. Besides, apples and oranges are more alike than they get credit for. Both grow on trees, both have seeds, both are fruit,, etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not answered my question, "What next?" After their declaration, what next? How do they get to the same level of the other 4 with just a declaration?

> > > >

> > > > Are you just not reading the above posts? The Tour wouldn’t have to declare anything. Just move the Players to May and don’t play in the PGA

> > >

> > > The PGA Tour can't move or cancel the PGA Championship. They don't own it.

> >

> > I think the part you’re missing is that he is saying the PGA Tour could schedule what it wants when it wants to. So, in this instance, they could schedule a more attractive opposite event to whenever the PGA of America scheduled the PGA Championship and force them to choose. Hard to believe the players would choose the PGA over the Tour.

> >

> > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

>

> If the PGA Tour chose to go to war with the majors, they could schedule other tournaments over them. But that would require lots of support from key players and also lots of support from the individual tournaments.

>

> Can you imagine the PGA Tour going to Jack and telling him they are scheduling his tournament on top of the Masters? Jack would tell them to stuff it where the sun don't shine.

>

> There is no way the PGA Tour would win a war with all of the other powers in golf. It would be very easy for a group of players and golf's powerful people to start an opposing PGA Tour.

 

Straw man. No one is saying what you are arguing against. I am saying that the PGA Tour could destroy the PGA Championship if it wanted to. I also said that it has no reason now to do such a thing. But if something happened that caused the PGA Tour and the PGA to be at odds and it came down to it, the PGA Tour could do so quite easily.

[Roadking2003]

I agree to disagree.

[disco111]

Wer> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @GolfChannel said:

> > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

>

> No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

>

>

 

It's exhausting trying to talk to my dog at times, almost like posting here. But we'll try one more time. The entire discussion is about i, one, uno tournament, namely the PGA, that could be replaced by the Players tournament. Now if your were not aware, the Players is the Tour Players very own, exclusive tournament, that the touring pros, even those from the European tour can play in. No where within the multi page discussion, which brings out the hit and run miscreants, with their attempt at proposed humor, did it state that the tour would ever tell the majors what to do. So the assumption that huge numbers of PGA Tour players would side with the majors is a non participant. Now hopefully this misunderstanding will be cleared up and we can move on to what if the PGA Tour declared the Fed Ex Championship a major.

[cdnglf]

> @disco111 said:

> Wer> @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @GolfChannel said:

> > > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

> >

> > No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

> >

> >

>

> It's exhausting trying to talk to my dog at times, almost like posting here. But we'll try one more time. The entire discussion is about i, one, uno tournament, namely the PGA, that could be replaced by the Players tournament. Now if your were not aware, the Players is the Tour Players very own, exclusive tournament, that the touring pros, even those from the European tour can play in. No where within the multi page discussion, which brings out the hit and run miscreants, with their attempt at proposed humor, did it state that the tour would ever tell the majors what to do. So the assumption that huge numbers of PGA Tour players would side with the majors is a non participant. Now hopefully this misunderstanding will be cleared up and we can move on to what if the PGA Tour declared the Fed Ex Championship a major.

 

 

[disco111]

> @cdnglf said:

> Licc and disco

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I like this one better.............

[cdnglf]

> @disco111 said:

> > @cdnglf said:

> > Licc and disco

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> I like this one better.............

 

Here’s another one, with Vindog too:

 

[BottleCap]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @GolfChannel said:

> > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

>

> No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

>

>

 

Top players like Brooks Koepka is a good example of this, he doesn't care about PGA Tour events, but for the fringe players, they'd probably back the tour

[disco111]

> @cdnglf said:

> > @disco111 said:

> > > @cdnglf said:

> > > Licc and disco

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> > >

> > >

> >

> > I like this one better.............

>

> Here’s another one, with Vindog too:

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>

 

Which one is Vindog?...............

[bscinstnct]

> @LICC said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @GolfChannel said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > @Vindog said:

> > > > > > There is no perfect analogy. That one works though. Besides, apples and oranges are more alike than they get credit for. Both grow on trees, both have seeds, both are fruit,, etc...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not answered my question, "What next?" After their declaration, what next? How do they get to the same level of the other 4 with just a declaration?

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you just not reading the above posts? The Tour wouldn’t have to declare anything. Just move the Players to May and don’t play in the PGA

> > > >

> > > > The PGA Tour can't move or cancel the PGA Championship. They don't own it.

> > >

> > > I think the part you’re missing is that he is saying the PGA Tour could schedule what it wants when it wants to. So, in this instance, they could schedule a more attractive opposite event to whenever the PGA of America scheduled the PGA Championship and force them to choose. Hard to believe the players would choose the PGA over the Tour.

> > >

> > > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

> >

> > If the PGA Tour chose to go to war with the majors, they could schedule other tournaments over them. But that would require lots of support from key players and also lots of support from the individual tournaments.

> >

> > Can you imagine the PGA Tour going to Jack and telling him they are scheduling his tournament on top of the Masters? Jack would tell them to stuff it where the sun don't shine.

> >

> > There is no way the PGA Tour would win a war with all of the other powers in golf. It would be very easy for a group of players and golf's powerful people to start an opposing PGA Tour.

>

> Straw man. No one is saying what you are arguing against**.I am saying that the PGA Tour could destroy the PGA Championship if it wanted to**. I also said that it has no reason now to do such a thing. But if something happened that caused the PGA Tour and the PGA to be at odds and it came down to it, the PGA Tour could do so quite easily.

 

 

 

 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

Why is the PGA Championship still a major? Well some of those facts have been mentioned here. It's also worth pointing out that for one thing it's WAY MORE POPULAR on WRX than other Tour Events, including the WGC - FedEx St. Jude Invitational. The PGA Championship had 25 pages of WRX discussion after 1 day of play (similar to other majors), whereas the WGC St Jude has a paltry 3 pages after 1 day of play. The PGA had ~70 pages by the end of the tournament, similar to other majors. Well then the WGC discussion better pick up significantly!

 

So as much as some want to build up this WGC as a "big event" the WRX participants as a whole are less interested... Then I guess most WRXers aren't "real golf fans" as one blowhard put it... LOL! :)

[LICC]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> Why is the PGA Championship still a major? Well some of those facts have been mentioned here. It's also worth pointing out that for one thing it's WAY MORE POPULAR on WRX than other Tour Events, including the WGC - FedEx St. Jude Invitational. The PGA Championship had 25 pages of WRX discussion after 1 day of play (similar to other majors), whereas the WGC St Jude has a paltry 3 pages after 1 day of play. The PGA had ~70 pages by the end of the tournament, similar to other majors. Well then the WGC discussion better pick up significantly!

>

> So as much as some want to build up this WGC as a "big event" the WRX participants as a whole are less interested... Then I guess most WRXers aren't "real golf fans" as one blowhard put it... LOL! :)

 

Casual fans like you will be more likely to comment on events that you are told are "major".

 

How many WRX pages did the Players Championship have?

[Darth Putter]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @GolfChannel said:

> > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

>

> No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

>

>

 

If that's true, why was the PGA played in May?

 

[cdnglf]

> @disco111 said:

> > @cdnglf said:

> > > @disco111 said:

> > > > @cdnglf said:

> > > > Licc and disco

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > I like this one better.............

> >

> > Here’s another one, with Vindog too:

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>

> Which one is Vindog?...............

 

Exercise to the reader.

[widow-maker]

Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

[Roadking2003]

I agree to disagree.> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @GolfChannel said:

> > > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

> >

> > No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

> >

> >

>

> If that's true, why was the PGA played in May?

>

 

Because all of the parties involved agreed to the move.

[Vindog]

> @Vindog said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @Vindog said:

> > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > @Vindog said:

> > > > > There is no perfect analogy. That one works though. Besides, apples and oranges are more alike than they get credit for. Both grow on trees, both have seeds, both are fruit,, etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not answered my question, "What next?" After their declaration, what next? How do they get to the same level of the other 4 with just a declaration?

> > > >

> > > > Are you just not reading the above posts? The Tour wouldn’t have to declare anything. Just move the Players to May and don’t play in the PGA

> > >

> > > So you two postulate that the tour can force players to play/ not play events? That's your answer?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > You are just repeating what was said previously. Read the posts above.

> >

>

> Yes. I'm repeating the same questions. I understand this is hypothertical, so I'm asking, hypothetically, how does The Tour have it's players "not play" the PGA? By force? By removing the Tour sanction of the PGA?

 

> @disco111 said:

> Wer> @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @GolfChannel said:

> > > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

> >

> > No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

> >

> >

>

> It's exhausting trying to talk to my dog at times, almost like posting here. But we'll try one more time. The entire discussion is about i, one, uno tournament, namely the PGA, that could be replaced by the Players tournament. Now if your were not aware, the Players is the Tour Players very own, exclusive tournament, that the touring pros, even those from the European tour can play in. No where within the multi page discussion, which brings out the hit and run miscreants, with their attempt at proposed humor, did it state that the tour would ever tell the majors what to do. So the assumption that huge numbers of PGA Tour players would side with the majors is a non participant. Now hopefully this misunderstanding will be cleared up and we can move on to what if the PGA Tour declared the Fed Ex Championship a major.

 

Indeed the European tour player can play in it, but should they win in it does absolutely nothing to further their status on the European Tour. They get no ET exemption and the money does not count towards the ET money list nor the Race to Dubai.

 

So for them what would be the draw to play TPC instead of the PGA which includes all of those things plus more OWGR points? To be on par with Majors that needs to be addressed, which is why I was saying that the Tour ALONE couldn't elevate it. It would take help from the ET (by making it an ET sanctioned event,) and the OWGR committee (by adding OWGR premiums)

[Darth Putter]

> @widow-maker said:

> Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

 

hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

 

 

What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

 

Now, who gets the major?

[Darth Putter]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> I agree to disagree.> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @GolfChannel said:

> > > > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

> > >

> > > No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > If that's true, why was the PGA played in May?

> >

>

> Because all of the parties involved agreed to the move.

 

Thankfully, the PGA wasn't wedded to that August date then. Everyone agreed to the move all friendly like. No one had to even imply a threat.

 

It would be interesting to learn what the PGA Tour planned to do if the PGA didn't play ball, but I doubt we'll ever know.

[widow-maker]

> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > @widow-maker said:

> > Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

>

> hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

>

>

> What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

> Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

>

> Now, who gets the major?

 

Speaking for myself.... Robert Streb. The TPC is a Tour event and that's how I'll always see it. There is no governing body that has the power to declare what is and what isn't a major in golf. I wouldn't be inclined to let the PGA Tour bully me into thinking that they have the right to make that declaration.

[LICC]

> @Vindog said:

> > @Vindog said:

> > > @LICC said:

> > > > @Vindog said:

> > > > > @LICC said:

> > > > > > @Vindog said:

> > > > > > There is no perfect analogy. That one works though. Besides, apples and oranges are more alike than they get credit for. Both grow on trees, both have seeds, both are fruit,, etc...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not answered my question, "What next?" After their declaration, what next? How do they get to the same level of the other 4 with just a declaration?

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you just not reading the above posts? The Tour wouldn’t have to declare anything. Just move the Players to May and don’t play in the PGA

> > > >

> > > > So you two postulate that the tour can force players to play/ not play events? That's your answer?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > You are just repeating what was said previously. Read the posts above.

> > >

> >

> > Yes. I'm repeating the same questions. I understand this is hypothertical, so I'm asking, hypothetically, how does The Tour have it's players "not play" the PGA? By force? By removing the Tour sanction of the PGA?

>

> > @disco111 said:

> > Wer> @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @GolfChannel said:

> > > > Isn’t the PGA Tour essentially the keeper and determiner of records? Which sounds like they could make everything a major, or even take the status away if they wanted. Whether we acknowledge the change is a separate issue entirely.

> > >

> > > No way at all. The PGA Tour will NEVER be able to tell the majors what to do and when to do it. The PGA Tour would not win that battle and a huge number of PGA Tour players would side with the majors.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It's exhausting trying to talk to my dog at times, almost like posting here. But we'll try one more time. The entire discussion is about i, one, uno tournament, namely the PGA, that could be replaced by the Players tournament. Now if your were not aware, the Players is the Tour Players very own, exclusive tournament, that the touring pros, even those from the European tour can play in. No where within the multi page discussion, which brings out the hit and run miscreants, with their attempt at proposed humor, did it state that the tour would ever tell the majors what to do. So the assumption that huge numbers of PGA Tour players would side with the majors is a non participant. Now hopefully this misunderstanding will be cleared up and we can move on to what if the PGA Tour declared the Fed Ex Championship a major.

>

> Indeed the European tour player can play in it, but should they win in it does absolutely nothing to further their status on the European Tour. They get no ET exemption and the money does not count towards the ET money list nor the Race to Dubai.

>

> So for them what would be the draw to play TPC instead of the PGA which includes all of those things plus more OWGR points? To be on par with Majors that needs to be addressed, which is why I was saying that the Tour ALONE couldn't elevate it. It would take help from the ET (by making it an ET sanctioned event,) and the OWGR committee (by adding OWGR premiums)

 

Who cares? As long as the top PGA Tour players skip it for the Players, it wouldn't matter what you call it. The PGA Championship would fade into mediocrity.

[MadGolfer76]

Strongest field, lots of history...why wouldn't it be a major?

[LICC]

> @widow-maker said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > @widow-maker said:

> > > Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

> >

> > hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

> >

> >

> > What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

> > Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

> >

> > Now, who gets the major?

>

> Speaking for myself.... Robert Streb. The TPC is a Tour event and that's how I'll always see it. There is no governing body that has the power to declare what is and what isn't a major in golf. I wouldn't be inclined to let the PGA Tour bully me into thinking that they have the right to make that declaration.

 

And Streb would be considered a major-winner in name only, with an asterisk always by his name that he won a major that was skipped by all the best players. The victory would have less regard than a regular Tour event.

[LICC]

> @MadGolfer76 said:

> Strongest field, lots of history...why wouldn't it be a major?

 

The Players is the strongest field. It has lots of history. It is the championship tournament of the PGA Tour. Why wouldn't it be a major?

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @LICC said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > Why is the PGA Championship still a major? Well some of those facts have been mentioned here. It's also worth pointing out that for one thing it's WAY MORE POPULAR on WRX than other Tour Events, including the WGC - FedEx St. Jude Invitational. The PGA Championship had 25 pages of WRX discussion after 1 day of play (similar to other majors), whereas the WGC St Jude has a paltry 3 pages after 1 day of play. The PGA had ~70 pages by the end of the tournament, similar to other majors. Well then the WGC discussion better pick up significantly!

> >

> > So as much as some want to build up this WGC as a "big event" the WRX participants as a whole are less interested... Then I guess most WRXers aren't "real golf fans" as one blowhard put it... LOL! :)

>

> Casual fans like you will be more likely to comment on events that you are told are "major".

>

> How many WRX pages did the Players Championship have?

 

LOL! It's not just me it's all of wrx. Wrxers amongst the most avid golfers in the world and they have spoken. You're reaching for straws in desperation. You wear it well.

[smashdn]

> @"Darth Putter" said:

> If that's true, why was the PGA played in May?

>

Ryder Cup. Which is managed by whom?

 

[widow-maker]

> @LICC said:

> > @widow-maker said:

> > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > @widow-maker said:

> > > > Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

> > >

> > > hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

> > >

> > >

> > > What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

> > > Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

> > >

> > > Now, who gets the major?

> >

> > Speaking for myself.... Robert Streb. The TPC is a Tour event and that's how I'll always see it. There is no governing body that has the power to declare what is and what isn't a major in golf. I wouldn't be inclined to let the PGA Tour bully me into thinking that they have the right to make that declaration.

>

> And Streb would be considered a major-winner in name only, with an asterisk always by his name that he won a major that was skipped by all the best players. The victory would have less regard than a regular Tour event.

 

> @LICC said:

> > @widow-maker said:

> > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > @widow-maker said:

> > > > Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

> > >

> > > hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

> > >

> > >

> > > What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

> > > Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

> > >

> > > Now, who gets the major?

> >

> > Speaking for myself.... Robert Streb. The TPC is a Tour event and that's how I'll always see it. There is no governing body that has the power to declare what is and what isn't a major in golf. I wouldn't be inclined to let the PGA Tour bully me into thinking that they have the right to make that declaration.

>

> And Streb would be considered a major-winner in name only, with an asterisk always by his name that he won a major that was skipped by all the best players. The victory would have less regard than a regular Tour event.

 

He wouldn't have an asterisk by me. He would be the winner of the PGA Championship. Whoever won the TPC wouldn't be a major winner. He would be the winner of the TPC, a very prestigious event.... but not a Major. You have the right to disagree and think the way you want, but I'd never acknowledge a power play like that.

[LICC]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > Why is the PGA Championship still a major? Well some of those facts have been mentioned here. It's also worth pointing out that for one thing it's WAY MORE POPULAR on WRX than other Tour Events, including the WGC - FedEx St. Jude Invitational. The PGA Championship had 25 pages of WRX discussion after 1 day of play (similar to other majors), whereas the WGC St Jude has a paltry 3 pages after 1 day of play. The PGA had ~70 pages by the end of the tournament, similar to other majors. Well then the WGC discussion better pick up significantly!

> > >

> > > So as much as some want to build up this WGC as a "big event" the WRX participants as a whole are less interested... Then I guess most WRXers aren't "real golf fans" as one blowhard put it... LOL! :)

> >

> > Casual fans like you will be more likely to comment on events that you are told are "major".

> >

> > How many WRX pages did the Players Championship have?

>

> LOL! It's not just me it's all of wrx. Wrxers amongst the most avid golfers in the world and they have spoken. You're reaching for straws in desperation. You wear it well.

 

How many WRX pages did the Players Championship have?

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> @widow-maker said:

> > @LICC said:

> > > @widow-maker said:

> > > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > > @widow-maker said:

> > > > > Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

> > > >

> > > > hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

> > > > Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

> > > >

> > > > Now, who gets the major?

> > >

> > > Speaking for myself.... Robert Streb. The TPC is a Tour event and that's how I'll always see it. There is no governing body that has the power to declare what is and what isn't a major in golf. I wouldn't be inclined to let the PGA Tour bully me into thinking that they have the right to make that declaration.

> >

> > And Streb would be considered a major-winner in name only, with an asterisk always by his name that he won a major that was skipped by all the best players. The victory would have less regard than a regular Tour event.

>

> > @LICC said:

> > > @widow-maker said:

> > > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > > @widow-maker said:

> > > > > Speaking for myself... if the PGA Tour decided to play the TPC on the same dates as the PGA Championship... I would consider the winner of the PGA to be a Major Champion and the winner of the TPC to be the winner of a Tour event.

> > > >

> > > > hypothetical possibilities, I'll play...

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What if all the top 50 in the world showed up at Sawgrass and Tiger won, meanwhile Robert Streb won the PGA. Imagine what the difference in tv audiences would be.

> > > > Both tournaments and organizations claim their winner is a "major" winner.

> > > >

> > > > Now, who gets the major?

> > >

> > > Speaking for myself.... Robert Streb. The TPC is a Tour event and that's how I'll always see it. There is no governing body that has the power to declare what is and what isn't a major in golf. I wouldn't be inclined to let the PGA Tour bully me into thinking that they have the right to make that declaration.

> >

> > And Streb would be considered a major-winner in name only, with an asterisk always by his name that he won a major that was skipped by all the best players. The victory would have less regard than a regular Tour event.

>

> He wouldn't have an asterisk by me. He would be the winner of the PGA Championship. Whoever won the TPC wouldn't be a major winner. He would be the winner of the TPC, a very prestigious event.... but not a Major. You have the right to disagree and think the way you want, but I'd never acknowledge a power play like that.

 

After 3 years of this, the PGA Championship would no longer have "major" status among the golf world. So you would be the only one not discounting such a victory. That's ok, you can have a weird view, but realize it would be weird.