Bushnell Launch Pro Device with Foresight

[grant2145]

For those wondering about 3rd party software options, Foresight currently sells subscriptions to E6 and Creative Golf 3D but you still need FSX2020.  I wouldn't be too surprised if that is what the marketing material is referencing.  

[BogeyBirdieBogey]

2 minutes ago, Rory4Pres said:

For you guys that have preordered the GC3, what's the software details?  You own the software for life?  When upgraded/new versions of the software come about for an upcharge, are you able to still use your current software or does it force you to upgrade to continue running as well?

Sales rep said FSX 2022 for sure 100% free and most likely any updates after that. He said if not then in the past they have offered discounted $500 upgrades depending on when you purchased relative to new release. I haven't preordered but I'm on the fence. Is FSX 2020 really that bad?

He did confirm no 3rd party software for GC3.

[Krt22]

5 minutes ago, Rory4Pres said:

For you guys that have preordered the GC3, what's the software details?  You own the software for life?  When upgraded/new versions of the software come about for an upcharge, are you able to still use your current software or does it force you to upgrade to continue running as well?

That is the interesting part, on the MGS article it says some of the ball data is only included with FSX or FSX pro, but it doesn't explicitly say you get the full software package. I am guessing you do not get the full PC software version for 7k given it's 3k on it's own

[CStephenson17]

3 hours ago, bherbers said:

I would put the odds at about 1000 to 1 that the GC3 package includes future software upgrades.

Deal. I’m in at $8 so when you’re wrong I can actually buy it and it not matter🤣🤣

 

I have witnesses now!

[Rory4Pres]

Anybody know when the GC2 first came to the market and what it cost at the time?  Curious...

[Bama_Rich]

2 hours ago, J Wheazy said:

Agree...unless you are taking this to Pelican or Pebble where they use ProVs for their range balls, I don't understand why anyone would take this to a range?  Indoor is the best use to learn from these devices.   Do people take these to the course and play a round with them?  

 

I have my own shag bag of my gamer balls. I'll take it to my range after they close it and pick balls.  I'll also take it on course when I'm practicing. 

[grant2145]

6 minutes ago, Rory4Pres said:

Anybody know when the GC2 first came to the market and what it cost at the time?  Curious...

2010 $6,000 just for the GC2, no software

[soupy01833]

3 hours ago, bherbers said:

I would put the odds at about 1000 to 1 that the GC3 package includes future software upgrades.

I was already told that FSX play will be a free upgrade on fsx 2020  so your odds are bad.  Now anything beyond that I have no idea

 

[bherbers]

Just now, soupy01833 said:

I was already told that FSX play will be a free upgrade on fsx 2020  so your odds are bad.  Now anything beyond that I have no idea

 

That doesn't count...

[jcrews5508]

36 minutes ago, CStephenson17 said:

Deal. I’m in at $8 so when you’re wrong I can actually buy it and it not matter🤣🤣

 

I have witnesses now!

I just had a lengthy conversation with the foreside rep and he has told me if it integrates with a quad it will integrate with the GC3. He also told me all software updates after FSX play will be for a fee. So the breakeven is probably six or seven years now with the launch pro.

Edited September 30, 2021 by jcrews5508

[soupy01833]

1 minute ago, bherbers said:

That doesn't count...

FSX play is the new unity based version of FSX.  it is an upgrade

[bherbers]

1 minute ago, soupy01833 said:

FSX play is the new unity based version of FSX.  it is an upgrade

 

It doesn't count according to the rules I just made up. 

[Indygolf21]

16 minutes ago, grant2145 said:

2010 $6,000 just for the GC2, no software

Which equates to $7600 in 2021 dollars, and again, that’s with no software (and no club data!). With that context, foresight has actually cut the price of their tech dramatically with this release. 

[soupy01833]

Just now, bherbers said:

 

It doesn't count according to the rules I just made up. 

🤣

 

[radiman]

4 minutes ago, jcrews5508 said:

I just had a lengthy conversation with the foreside rep and he has told me if it integrates with a quad it will integrate with the GC3. He also told me all software update after FSX play will be for a fee. So the breakeven is probably six or seven years now with the launch bro.

Are the software updates absolutely necessary? Can you just continue using the older version that you already have?

[CStephenson17]

5 minutes ago, jcrews5508 said:

I just had a lengthy conversation with the foreside rep and he has told me if it integrates with a quad it will integrate with the GC3. He also told me all software update after FSX play will be for a fee. So the breakeven is probably six or seven years now with the launch bro.

Wow while this is disappointing I’m glad I decided to take those 1000 to 1 odds!!🤣

 

in all seriousness if this is true I will be going Bushnell with silver. I have access to TM4 anytime I want so if I need to do club fitting or whatever I can go see numbers there. But as long as it’s reading but not showing I don’t care

[oc_mike]

I spoke to a rep and got the same info.  NO on TGC 2019, NO on GSPro, but YES on E6 for software integration.  He did say EA Sports is working on simulation software, but no idea on future timeline.

 

Software updates are included with the price, including FSX Play coming soon with an updated graphics engine.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2021 by oc_mike

[CStephenson17]

5 minutes ago, oc_mike said:

I spoke to a rep and got the same info.  NO on TGC 2019, NO on GSPro, but YES on E6 for software integration.  He did say EA Sports is working on simulation software, but no idea on future timeline.

 

Software updates are included with the price, including FSX Play coming soon with an updated graphics engine.

 

 

All future software upgrades or just the first one?

[oc_mike]

I didn't clarify that, but it sounded like all future software updates included.

[jcrews5508]

Told me just the first one. That would make sense quads and GC2's did not get free upgrades.

[Rory4Pres]

I think the thing that pisses me off is the 2D range.  I mean, that's just pure evil. 

 

First you lock a lot of readings (strike 1), then you offer zero courses (strike 2), but to go to a 2d range is just cruel.  Top it off by charging $100/year for nothing, is just a big F you to consumers.

 

 

[jeromek]

I'm just going to get the GC3 and pay 7k, and be done with it.  It's way better than paying 14k or 18k for the quad.

[bherbers]

8 minutes ago, Rory4Pres said:

I think the thing that pisses me off is the 2D range.  I mean, that's just pure evil. 

 

First you lock a lot of readings (strike 1), then you offer zero courses (strike 2), but to go to a 2d range is just cruel.  Top it off by charging $100/year for nothing, is just a big F you to consumers.

 

 

C'mon, how is that evil? No one is putting a gun to your head and making you buy it.

[BloctonGolf11]

11 minutes ago, Rory4Pres said:

I think the thing that pisses me off is the 2D range.  I mean, that's just pure evil. 

 

First you lock a lot of readings (strike 1), then you offer zero courses (strike 2), but to go to a 2d range is just cruel.  Top it off by charging $100/year for nothing, is just a big F you to consumers.

 

 

Foresight is notorious for charging for EVERYTHING they can so are you truly surprised? 

[mdmack]

3 hours ago, Krt22 said:

It's essentially giving you GC2+HMT data (minus face angle) with some basic simulator capability, for a few thousand bucks less.  I don't see what incentive they have to go much cheaper when they can't keep the much more expensive quad in stock

The incentive would be a mass number of people who would be willing to pay $3k or even a bit more for the hardware, but are not okay with the monthly subscriptions. You could still charge the $800/month sub for simulated play of courses and access to FSX, but I personally think a generic 3D driving range would be the least they could throw in when buying a $3k device. I'm not expecting FSX for free, just any sort of 3d range seems like a no briner to me. Even the $600 R10 has a free 3D range, and no im not comparing the quality of the 2 units, just pointing out that it cant be too hard to develop a 3d range when selling a much higher end device when a $600 device throws it in for free. 

[Rory4Pres]

4 minutes ago, bherbers said:

C'mon, how is that evil? No one is putting a gun to your head and making you buy it.

Your GD right nobody is making me buy it.

 

They can dangle the carrot on other suckers.

Edited September 30, 2021 by Rory4Pres

[bherbers]

2 minutes ago, Rory4Pres said:

Your GD right nobody is making me buy it.

 

They can dangle the carrot on other suckers.

No one else in the market is offering (what appears to be) GC4-like performance at anywhere near this price point. Until that day comes, I think Bushnell/Foresight will be able to get away charging what they charge...

[soupy01833]

this is what fsx pro looks like so no

 idea what their definition of 2D range is

Edited September 30, 2021 by soupy01833

[Jamesheeney]

3 minutes ago, bherbers said:

No one else in the market is offering (what appears to be) GC4-like performance at anywhere near this price point. Until that day comes, I think Bushnell/Foresight will be able to get away charging what they charge...

But that is the reason to get the subscription. This market will flood in the next couple years and that will drive down subscription prices (not up). So the idea of paying 7k up front would be like paying 25k for a flat screen (which people did). Bets on subscription being cheaper.

[csufman]

Do you have to pay for the basic subscription with the GC3?  Saw someone post a copy of their invoice and it referenced including 12 months of Basic Subscription.