How Does Couples Do It?

[marlon]

I watch this in amazement: 

 

 

 

1) How does he start the unwinding of the hips before the club finishes the BS at the top? A DRIIL PLEASE.
2) How does he stay down in spine angle at impact - unlike us poor souls who do early extension? A DRILL PLEASE.
3) How does he arrive with his weight totally above his left foot post after impact? A DRILL PLEASE.

 

I am deficient in all of the above in slow motion….trying really hard to not use force of the arms etc.

 

5i Down the line: 

 

 

 

5i Front view

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by marlon
added new vids

[Pepperturbo]

Freddy's swing calls for natural athleticism and flexibility which feeds his timing.  Trying to model his swing is a recipe for a sore back before its time... 😛

 

[Valtiel]

All three of your questions are linked and basically have the same answer; a fundamentally sound/correct pivot and weight shift. He starts unwinding his hips from the top because that is the correct sequencing, and he is able to do it because like basically all pros, his weight is loaded up in his trail hip/thigh which gives him the platform to then shift it forward.

He stays in his spine angle because he doesn't need to change it to make impact. Freddy stands very tall/upright which helps. Most players do something in their swing/setup that makes the early extension necessary. Either they stand too far from the ball, stick their butt out too far at address, get their hands too low/close to the body, suck the club inside in the backswing, or a myriad of other things that all often require an early extension to compensate for. When you stand too far away, you normally need to then get closer during the swing. When you stick your butt out too far it normally wants to move forward during the swing to balance your body. When your hands are too low, they'll tend to want to come up. On and on and on with the underlying idea being the same; something is off that needs to be compensated for. As I mentioned, Fred stand very upright with higher hands, which basically means that everything is then set up to come *down* in transition, which is the opposite of the early extender. He also does as a good a job as anyone of clearing his left side back and behind him in transition instead of firing his right side out towards the ball, something early extenders often do. This means his pelvis has stayed in basically the same distance from the ball throughout the swing (referred to as "maintaining depth") which means he doesn't have to do anything funky with his posture and can maintain his angles. 

His weight is totally above his left foot after impact because it was totally above his left foot well before that, about halfway through his downswing. Look at the second swing (red shirt, face on). His weight is already all the way on his left side at around 1:03 when the club is still basically vertical in the downswing. 

You do NOT want to be looking at drills for each of these individual things, because they are all by products of other things being set up correctly and simply *happening*. This is the trap we fall into, thinking we can look at one single element of the golf swing and "drill it" until we can do it. In reality you're almost always looking at what comes before the thing you're trying to change, which allows you to go back to the source instead of treating symptoms. Post a video of your swing and we can tell what you're doing wrong that is preventing you from doing the things you want drills for. 
 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Valtiel

[marlon]

2 hours ago, Valtiel said:

All three if your questions are linked and basically have the same answer; a fundamentally sound/correct pivot and weight shift. He starts unwinding his hips from the top because that is the correct sequencing, and he is able to do it because like basically all pros, his weight is loaded up in his trail hip/thigh which gives him the platform to then shift it forward.

He stays in his spine angle because he doesn't need to change it to make impact. Freddy stands very tall/upright which helps. Most players do something in their swing/setup that makes the early extension necessary. Either they stand too far from the ball, stick their butt out too far at address, get their hands too low/close to the body, suck the club inside in the backswing, or a myriad of other things that all often require an early extension to compensate for. When you stand too far away, you normally need to then get closer during the swing. When you stick your butt out too far it normally wants to move forward during the swing to balance your body. When your hands are too low, they'll tend to want to come up. On and on and on with the underlying idea being the same; something is off that needs to be compensated for. As I mentioned, Fred stand very upright with higher hands, which basically means that everything is then set up to come *down* in transition, which is the opposite of the early extender. He also does as a good a job as anyone of clearing his left side back and behind him in transition instead of firing his right side out towards the ball, something early extenders often do. This means his pelvis has stayed in basically the same distance from the ball throughout the swing (referred to as "maintaining depth") which means he doesn't have to do anything funky with his posture and can maintain his angles. 

His weight is totally above his left foot after impact because it was totally above his left foot well before that, about halfway through his downswing. Look at the second swing (red shirt, face on). His weight is already all the way on his left side at around 1:03 when the club is still basically vertical in the downswing. 

You do NOT want to be looking at drills for each of these individual things, because they are all by products of other things being set up correctly and simply *happening*. This is the trap we fall into, thinking we can look at one single element of the golf swing and "drill it" until we can do it. In reality you're almost always looking at what comes before the thing you're trying to change, which allows you to go back to the source instead of treating symptoms. Post a video of your swing and we can tell what you're doing wrong that is preventing you from doing the things you want drills for. 
 

I really appreciate your insight!  I've posted two videos in the original post. Please take a look.  I have been working on the gravity golf technique of having very passive upper body but as you can see, my left foot unweighs at impact with the rising heel (face on).

[tthomasgolfer605]

It's called raw talent.

[TheDeanAbides]

You can start by allowing your right hip to move in the backswing. No depth at all and you're keeping your right knee way too bent. Start there and then see what happens to your downswing. Loads going on in your downswing, but that right hip/leg is the biggest issue. 

[marlon]

1 minute ago, TheDeanAbides said:

You can start by allowing your right hip to move in the backswing. No depth at all and you're keeping your right knee way too bent. Start there and then see what happens to your downswing. Loads going on in your downswing, but that right hip/leg is the biggest issue. 

Move as in turning around a stationary right leg or move as in moving away from the target (slide) or both?

[TheDeanAbides]

1 hour ago, marlon said:

Move as in turning around a stationary right leg or move as in moving away from the target (slide) or both?

Not a slide. Never ever a slide. Move back behind you and allowing your right leg to straighten as a result of the hip moving back and slightly up.

[marlon]

This video is perfect: 

 

I will try to execute these points today.  Thanks all.

[BraxtonFullerton]

53 minutes ago, TheDeanAbides said:

Not a slide. Never ever a slide. Move back behind you and allowing your right leg to straighten as a result of the hip moving back and slightly up.

 

Yeah this is what gets overlooked so often with Freddie's swing. Watch any of those face-on angles and his lower body is a ROCK. No movement, at all, in the backswing. It is all upper body rotation. Most of us mere mortals just can't do it. This makes shifting his weight forward and properly sequencing ridiculously fluid and easy.

[TheDeanAbides]

2 minutes ago, BraxtonFullerton said:

 

Yeah this is what gets overlooked so often with Freddie's swing. Watch any of those face-on angles and his lower body is a ROCK. No movement, at all, in the backswing. It is all upper body rotation. Most of us mere mortals just can't do it. This makes shifting his weight forward and properly sequencing ridiculously fluid and easy.

And that's why his back is trashed. 

[ShortGolfer]

I'm old enough to realize that giving up twenty yards is worth being able to play whenever I want without back pain.

[Valtiel]

12 hours ago, BraxtonFullerton said:

 

Yeah this is what gets overlooked so often with Freddie's swing. Watch any of those face-on angles and his lower body is a ROCK. No movement, at all, in the backswing. It is all upper body rotation. Most of us mere mortals just can't do it. This makes shifting his weight forward and properly sequencing ridiculously fluid and easy.

That is definitely one of more deceptive things about his swing. His lower body actually gets into a nice athletic position by the time he is ready to transition, but he does it so sneakily late in his sequence that you almost miss it completely. It makes sense that his tempo is so smooth and buttery, because it HAS to be. If you tried to do anything to quick or violent with how he sequences things it probably wouldn't work at all. Love Freddy, it's my favorite swing I never want to replicate, lol. 

[playit]

Your first video, the backswing video frame rate is slow and the downswing is real time. If all was slow frame rate, easier to help. The second video has no video, it is only audio.

[aenemated]

On 10/13/2021 at 6:49 PM, Valtiel said:

but he does it so sneakily late in his sequence that you almost miss it completely.

 

This is totally my favorite thing about Boom Boom's swing and a thing I tried to copy when I was a kid ... that absolutely didn't help me one bit. 

 

I've always described his swing as "he just effortlessly picks it up and then SMASH." 

 

Freddie is just a perfect example of "swing your swing." It's uniquely his and really no one should try to copy it. 

[marlon]

Please see my videos in the original post.  In the future, to check on improvement, I will make a new post in this thread.

 

Thanks for your input all...have at it. I know, I can hear comments on that chicken wing!