club plans for 2023

[nikemojo]

Does anyone know what the plans for TM and the others are for 2023? I saw a video saying TM may release a new burner driver but I don't know the legitimacy of it.

[Ivyguy]

4 hours ago, nikemojo said:

Does anyone know what the plans for TM and the others are for 2023? I saw a video saying TM may release a new burner driver but I don't know the legitimacy of it.

It’s pretty early for 2023. 
 

Information is still sparse for fall 2022 releases. 
 

If my memory serves right, the info that your hunting for will hit social media sometime in late Q4. 

[nikemojo]

29 minutes ago, Ivyguy said:

It’s pretty early for 2023. 
 

Information is still sparse for fall 2022 releases. 
 

If my memory serves right, the info that your hunting for will hit social media sometime in late Q4. 

I figured it was a bit early, but i figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'll keep a lookout for the info on 2023. But on a related note, what info have you heard for fall '22?

[Ivyguy]

12 minutes ago, nikemojo said:

I figured it was a bit early, but i figured it wouldn't hurt to ask. I'll keep a lookout for the info on 2023. But on a related note, what info have you heard for fall '22?

Titleist should be the MB/CB and woods/hybrids (don’t quote me) are due for tour seeding around the US open. 
 

Ping should be up with irons/possibly woods (I don’t fully believe woods, this may be an update to crossovers). 

[dodint]

I'd be very surprised if you see new woods from Ping prior to 2023. I can't quote the source (because I don't recall) but they've said they're not going to do a release this year. 

[deep18]

New Callaway wedges by the end of the year and new Titleist woods for sure. 

[karstens_ghost]

Early 2023 for Ping _should_ include a replacement of:

 

G425 -> G430 Driver, Fairway, Hybrid, Iron.

 

G710 -> G730 Iron, though that may be earlier?

 

G LE2 -> G LE3 series, though that may be earlier?

 

i210 -> i230 Iron should happen earlier.

[TheMoneyShot]

14 hours ago, nikemojo said:

Does anyone know what the plans for TM and the others are for 2023? I saw a video saying TM may release a new burner driver but I don't know the legitimacy of it.

All speculation at this point.  We probably will not hear anything until the fall at the earliest. 

[eric61]

On 4/19/2022 at 7:30 AM, nikemojo said:

Does anyone know what the plans for TM and the others are for 2023? I saw a video saying TM may release a new burner driver but I don't know the legitimacy of it.

 

The only thing I've seen -- and it's incredibly vague, to the point that it's not even really worth mentioning, but oh well -- is Bryson hyping up the driver Cobra has coming next year. I don't recall who the interview was with, but he talked about how great next year's driver will be at an LTDx launch event ... which can't have made Cobra very happy. But he didn't offer any hints about the name, design characteristics vs. the LTDx or anything else.

 

Normal cycles would have Titleist and Ping rolling out new stuff later this year, but I haven't seen any reporting at all on model names, prototypes being tested, etc. that would really offer any details on those. (And that suits me just fine. Ping's fairway woods and hybrids are pretty much perfect right now, and I'd rather they just keep making exactly these models for as long as possible! Take the dumb turbulators off the drivers and call it a day.)

[nikemojo]

22 hours ago, Ivyguy said:

Titleist should be the MB/CB and woods/hybrids (don’t quote me) are due for tour seeding around the US open. 
 

Ping should be up with irons/possibly woods (I don’t fully believe woods, this may be an update to crossovers). 

I am very intrigued on what Titleist will do with a new iteration of the 620 MB.

[nikemojo]

1 hour ago, eric61 said:

 

The only thing I've seen -- and it's incredibly vague, to the point that it's not even really worth mentioning, but oh well -- is Bryson hyping up the driver Cobra has coming next year. I don't recall who the interview was with, but he talked about how great next year's driver will be at an LTDx launch event ... which can't have made Cobra very happy. But he didn't offer any hints about the name, design characteristics vs. the LTDx or anything else.

 

Normal cycles would have Titleist and Ping rolling out new stuff later this year, but I haven't seen any reporting at all on model names, prototypes being tested, etc. that would really offer any details on those. (And that suits me just fine. Ping's fairway woods and hybrids are pretty much perfect right now, and I'd rather they just keep making exactly these models for as long as possible! Take the dumb turbulators off the drivers and call it a day.)

Are the turbulators the dumb hump line things on the top?

[Kevin Mee]

Waiting to see what the mizuno jpx line will look like, especially the forged. Fingers crossed it's offered in leftie.... 

[eric61]

1 hour ago, nikemojo said:

Are the turbulators the dumb hump line things on the top?

yup

[nikemojo]

19 minutes ago, eric61 said:

yup

then i totally agree, i hate the way it looks. although i have heard it helps them keep the metal as thin as possible and still be rigid. i guess its a function over looks thing 

[orr444]

Srixon due??

[nikemojo]

3 hours ago, orr444 said:

Srixon due??

I would have thought so, haven't heard much from them in awhile.

[Ghostwedge]

Turbulators rock, get over it.

I throughly enjoy that extra mph and 2 yds.... ymmv.

[Cwhite912]

On 4/20/2022 at 4:35 PM, Ghostwedge said:

Turbulators rock, get over it.

I throughly enjoy that extra mph and 2 yds.... ymmv.

I like the fairway woods much better 

[Green Valley]

On 4/19/2022 at 9:34 PM, karstens_ghost said:

Early 2023 for Ping _should_ include a replacement of:

 

G425 -> G430 Driver, Fairway, Hybrid, Iron.

 

G710 -> G730 Iron, though that may be earlier?

 

G LE2 -> G LE3 series, though that may be earlier?

 

i210 -> i230 Iron should happen earlier.

 

How about replacement for G425 irons?

[karstens_ghost]

8 hours ago, Green Valley said:

 

How about replacement for G425 irons?

 

"G425 -> G430 Driver, Fairway, Hybrid, Iron."

[Fairways_and_Greens]

Srixon should be due for new irons at the end of the year. 

[Foreleft]

Well, Ping was delivering new sets of its ie1 irons this year.

 

Maybe next year they will have the i20’ s ready to go.

 

 

[Mark1974]

Whenever and whatever it is, it will go miles further than the stealth, it will have a greater sweet spot and surpass all previous clubs. I for one will be suckered into buying one ! 

[Bunkersarebigcups]

On 4/20/2022 at 4:44 PM, eric61 said:

 

The only thing I've seen -- and it's incredibly vague, to the point that it's not even really worth mentioning, but oh well -- is Bryson hyping up the driver Cobra has coming next year. I don't recall who the interview was with, but he talked about how great next year's driver will be at an LTDx launch event ... which can't have made Cobra very happy. But he didn't offer any hints about the name, design characteristics vs. the LTDx or anything else.

 

Normal cycles would have Titleist and Ping rolling out new stuff later this year, but I haven't seen any reporting at all on model names, prototypes being tested, etc. that would really offer any details on those. (And that suits me just fine. Ping's fairway woods and hybrids are pretty much perfect right now, and I'd rather they just keep making exactly these models for as long as possible! Take the dumb turbulators off the drivers and call it a day.)

He also mentions that in his WITB video on his YT channel iIrc

[WristySwing]

Taylormade:

 

Expect a Stealth 2.0 or some other name for sure.  They have never not had a 12 month release cycle, with likely a tour head, a standard head, and a draw model.  Their P-series irons are likely on the block again as the P770, P7Mc, and P7Mb have been in the line for almost 2 years now.  New Hi-Toe wedges and putters just launched recently and the MG wedges tend to have a 2-3 year cycle, so those will probably be left alone.  

 

Callaway:

 

Rogue ST will go on "sell out not sell off" as per recent Callaway mantra where it will remain in the line at full price but become harder and harder to acquire as they will push fully whatever Epic/BB driver they release on the main cycles.  Expect a new Apex line of irons, along with the usual hybrid and woods, and probably a new batch of Toulon or Odyssey putters to compliment this release.

 

Titleist:

 

Vokey and T-series irons will remain likely for another year.  TSR is no secret and expected to be officially launched at the end of September.  Not sure about Cameron as it is has been a couple of years, they will probably be getting itchy for some new paintfill and names soon.

 

Mizuno:

 

New driver line and JPX model irons likely.  Everything has been hush but they are coming.  My rep just isn't sure if they are going to launch in the Fall or for the PGA Show release to get some hype going but he has seen them, he just couldn't say anything about it.  

 

Srixon/Cleveland:

 

Z-series are now being petered out.  Should expect a new line of woods and irons to go with this.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a series of new RTX Zipcore 2.0 or something along those lines to match.

 

Ping:

 

G430 line and i230 (or whatever) line expected early next year.  Pics already available here.  Looks like a complimentary Glide Pro Forged Raw maybe as well, but perhaps as a WRX-only upcharge.  I would expect a new high MOI line as the Heppler and 2021 series are two+ years old at this point.  Expect a soft insert with high MOI.

 

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by WristySwing

[iNeedMoreGolf]

223 clubs are as follows.

 

Ping-

Driver. Turbulator Terminator

Irons. illuminati all seeing Eye2

Wedges. Glide Backslide

 

Callaway-

Driver. Epic Reaper...slogan is kills your ball with speed through hyper activation cup jailbreak.

Irons. Reaper and Reaper pro.

Wedges. Jaws Reaper.

 

Taylormade-

Driver. Carbonation... their is now 178 layers of carbon sheets on the face to try and not break apart so soon.

Irons. Bubbleback... building of the carbonation name. More bounce to every once.

Wedges. High carbonation toe.

 

Titleist-

Driver. No more ts name. Now its Titleist They. If your younger or have a child 11 or up you get it.

Irons. Them.

Wedges. Vokey10 

 

Pxg- 

Driver. Gittyuppity Doo long

Irons. Blazen razors

Wedges. Hot doggin Scoopa looptys.

 

Mizuno- 

Factory has been shut down due to zombie outbreak lol

 

 

Srixon- 

We only sell balls now. Brooks koepka put us out of buisness basically by not playing our stuff well enough.

 

Cobra-

Driver. Rickshumbo Rad Xtreme

Irons. Only one length Radle Rad Xtreme. 3d printed and filled with Styrofoam of course.

Wedges. Venom Spinner xtremes. Bites so hard your mother will feel it.

 

 

 

 

 

[chouls19]

I think Wilson will have a big year. The irons are always good but the new driver might be top tier. Now whether it sells as it should is another matter but I think it will perform as well, if not better, than most.

[WristySwing]

4 minutes ago, chouls19 said:

I think Wilson will have a big year. The irons are always good but the new driver might be top tier. Now whether it sells as it should is another matter but I think it will perform as well, if not better, than most.

 

Wilson has a habit of shooting themselves in the foot with their drivers.  The C and D series ~15 years ago were stellar looking woods that, at the time, came with upgraded shafts like the V2 when nobody else but Ping even dreamt of doing such a thing.  The problem is they have zero marketing.  They will never outsell TM, Callaway, or Ping but if they put even a bit of money behind marketing their clubs I am sure they would nudge a few in that direction.  Further, they have become increasingly niche.  The past few seasons they have focused on these non-adjustable, lighter weight models.  I think they understand their demographic, older players who look back fondly of the clubs from the 1970s and 1980s and want to play them again.  However, this demographic focus is killing them.  It is a shrinking demographic due to age and memory.  People are brand loyal to an extent, but a parallel can be drawn in the car market to Buick.  They are really trying to push this cool, new aesthetic, but the reality is, I still see one Buick every 1000 cars and the majority of the time, it is being driven by a senior citizen.  When I worked Big Box retail the vast majority of people purchasing Wilson were older players who had fond memories from the past.  The younger guys walked right past them and headed for Titleist, Callaway, TM, and Mizuno.

 

I've been saying this for the better part of a decade now.  If Wilson could get a good marketing department, I am sure they would slowly see more adoption of their woods.  It's not hard to make a driver that is halfway okay this day.  You have companies like Ben Hogan, Sub 70, etc., that can make a decent driver and they are even smaller than Wilson is.  If they focused on pushing either a) their lower cost price point driver but still being good, or b) focusing on a tour-calibre club that can outperform the big boys it will sell.  A very recent example of this is Callaway with their X-Hot and Cobra with the F9.  Callaway was really hurting post X-20.  They hadn't made a decent driver or iron set in about 5 years and were just getting clobbered by TM in market share.  Suddenly, out of the blue after a really ugly line of garbage for 2-3 years (RAZR, anyone remember that?) they launched the X-Hot line followed immediately by the Big Bertha and Big Bertha Alpha the following year with the Apex 2014 and Apex Pro 2014 irons.  Suddenly, Callaway was crushing it and you couldn't keep their stuff in stock.  They had fresh marketing and a club that was significantly better than anything on the market at the time.  Cobra did this with the F9.  Their F6-F8 drivers were okay, nothing to write home about.  Then they launch the F9 and this thing was a ball speed beast and it seemed like every other person on this website had one.  They repositioned themselves as the one to beat in ballspeed on drivers, a crown they still have to this day IMO.

 

Wilson can do the same.  I think they are just super content with their baseball and basketball sales and selling their cheap package and junior sets that any sort of top-tier driver and iron line is an afterthought to them.  The irons and wedges especially perform great, they just put zero incentive out to get people interested in trying them and bringing them home.

[4TheKing614]

15 hours ago, WristySwing said:

Taylormade:

 

Expect a Stealth 2.0 or some other name for sure.  They have never not had a 12 month release cycle, with likely a tour head, a standard head, and a draw model.  Their P-series irons are likely on the block again as the P770, P7Mc, and P7Mb have been in the line for almost 2 years now.  New Hi-Toe wedges and putters just launched recently and the MG wedges tend to have a 2-3 year cycle, so those will probably be left alone.  

 

Callaway:

 

Rogue ST will go on "sell out not sell off" as per recent Callaway mantra where it will remain in the line at full price but become harder and harder to acquire as they will push fully whatever Epic/BB driver they release on the main cycles.  Expect a new Apex line of irons, along with the usual hybrid and woods, and probably a new batch of Toulon or Odyssey putters to compliment this release.

 

Titleist:

 

Vokey and T-series irons will remain likely for another year.  TSR is no secret and expected to be officially launched at the end of September.  Not sure about Cameron as it is has been a couple of years, they will probably be getting itchy for some new paintfill and names soon.

 

Mizuno:

 

New driver line and JPX model irons likely.  Everything has been hush but they are coming.  My rep just isn't sure if they are going to launch in the Fall or for the PGA Show release to get some hype going but he has seen them, he just couldn't say anything about it.  

 

Srixon/Cleveland:

 

Z-series are now being petered out.  Should expect a new line of woods and irons to go with this.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a series of new RTX Zipcore 2.0 or something along those lines to match.

 

Ping:

 

G430 line and i230 (or whatever) line expected early next year.  Pics already available here.  Looks like a complimentary Glide Pro Forged Raw maybe as well, but perhaps as a WRX-only upcharge.  I would expect a new high MOI line as the Heppler and 2021 series are two+ years old at this point.  Expect a soft insert with high MOI.

 

 

I think your assessment is very good. I think Taylormade has to come back out with a p760. Their current iron line up is lacking. If you don’t like the feel of hallow irons, you then have to play their cb. They have a huge gap IMO. You can say callaway does overkill but Taylormade really should reassess their iron line 

[BCC1898]

20 hours ago, iNeedMoreGolf said:

223 clubs are as follows.

 

Ping-

Driver. Turbulator Terminator

Irons. illuminati all seeing Eye2

Wedges. Glide Backslide

 

Callaway-

Driver. Epic Reaper...slogan is kills your ball with speed through hyper activation cup jailbreak.

Irons. Reaper and Reaper pro.

Wedges. Jaws Reaper.

 

Taylormade-

Driver. Carbonation... their is now 178 layers of carbon sheets on the face to try and not break apart so soon.

Irons. Bubbleback... building of the carbonation name. More bounce to every once.

Wedges. High carbonation toe.

 

Titleist-

Driver. No more ts name. Now its Titleist They. If your younger or have a child 11 or up you get it.

Irons. Them.

Wedges. Vokey10 

 

Pxg- 

Driver. Gittyuppity Doo long

Irons. Blazen razors

Wedges. Hot doggin Scoopa looptys.

 

Mizuno- 

Factory has been shut down due to zombie outbreak lol

 

 

Srixon- 

We only sell balls now. Brooks koepka put us out of buisness basically by not playing our stuff well enough.

 

Cobra-

Driver. Rickshumbo Rad Xtreme

Irons. Only one length Radle Rad Xtreme. 3d printed and filled with Styrofoam of course.

Wedges. Venom Spinner xtremes. Bites so hard your mother will feel it.

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of work went into that.  Ewww.