LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[grm24]

8 minutes ago, hunterdog said:

I have thought about that. What if the Saudis started competing events against the dates of the four majors? Purse for each event =  $100 million, $50 million to winner; and bonus pool for how the players compete in all four events. Exemptions based on fame, past 20 years results in majors, all LIV players, and top 30 from PGAT if they are exempt into the majors. Who plays where?

Playing exhibition tour faux majors would cost any current PGA Tour/DP Tour players a suspension from their tour.

[freeze16172002]

23 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

to you and others maybe.  hes still one of the greatest ryder cup members of all time and has many fans around the world.  people really need to think outside of their bubble.

The majority is the bubble? or the sub 300k that tune in to see LIV, hello you're in the bubble? If Sergio has many fans around the world, where are they when he plays with LIV? 

[bekgolf]

4 hours ago, heynow said:

One way to bring both the tours together is to have top 12 PGA vs top 12 LIV match in complete Ryder / President's Cup style format.  

 

I would love to see it.  Scottie and Rory are teammates,   DJ and Rahm are teammates.  Wild!

 

 

It would never fly with golf fans.  It's DOA.  I can see why Liv would want such a competition as it would bring eyes to Liv.   

 

The organization that's trying to tear the PGA Tour apart wants a rivalry to get eyes on their product.  Good for Liv, bad for golf. 

 

Liv can't get viewers on their own so they poach PGA players, now they want to poach PGA Tour viewers.  Lol.  How about bringing an original product that doesn't disrupt?  Too hard?

[pingbling23]

1 hour ago, freeze16172002 said:

The majority is the bubble? or the sub 300k that tune in to see LIV, hello you're in the bubble? If Sergio has many fans around the world, where are they when he plays with LIV? 

have you posted world wide numbers?  if you have i havent seen it.

[Rapidcat]

There are 14 LIV golfers (at this stage, maybe more to come) registered to play the International Series Macau event in March in a bid to get OWGR points to get access to The Masters, Olympics etc.

 

Some of them may be unhappy with the No LIV event OWGR but many are now trying to play their way into these events.

MACAU - The field for the inaugural International Series Macau presented by Wynn has been further strengthened, with a host of LIV Golf League stars including recent Mayakoba champion Joaquin Niemann and Ryder Cup legend Ian Poulter set to join an all-star cast at the Macau Golf & Country Club from 14-17 March. 

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-golf-league-heavyweights-join-international-series-macau

 

[jdl]

6 hours ago, heynow said:

One way to bring both the tours together is to have top 12 PGA vs top 12 LIV match in complete Ryder / President's Cup style format.  

 

I would love to see it.  Scottie and Rory are teammates,   DJ and Rahm are teammates.  Wild!

 

It might work as a one-time event. But the juice would be there only if they are still separate? And if that's the case i don't think the PGA Tour would go for it.

[smashdn]

2 hours ago, bekgolf said:

Good for Liv, bad for golf. 

 

Why is more golf, bad for golf?

[freeze16172002]

2 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

have you posted world wide numbers?  if you have i havent seen it.

Has LIV? have you? You're posting about Garcias worldwide fanbase, maybe you should have something to back that up with. It sure ain't event ticket sales

Edited February 21 by freeze16172002

[bcjim]

9 hours ago, Rapidcat said:

There are 14 LIV golfers (at this stage, maybe more to come) registered to play the International Series Macau event in March in a bid to get OWGR points to get access to The Masters, Olympics etc.

 

Some of them may be unhappy with the No LIV event OWGR but many are now trying to play their way into these events.

MACAU - The field for the inaugural International Series Macau presented by Wynn has been further strengthened, with a host of LIV Golf League stars including recent Mayakoba champion Joaquin Niemann and Ryder Cup legend Ian Poulter set to join an all-star cast at the Macau Golf & Country Club from 14-17 March. 

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-golf-league-heavyweights-join-international-series-macau

 

Would even winning this event help any of them that are not already eligible? Poulter is 439 for example. 

[idrive]

10 hours ago, Rapidcat said:

There are 14 LIV golfers (at this stage, maybe more to come) registered to play the International Series Macau event in March in a bid to get OWGR points to get access to The Masters, Olympics etc.

 

Some of them may be unhappy with the No LIV event OWGR but many are now trying to play their way into these events.

MACAU - The field for the inaugural International Series Macau presented by Wynn has been further strengthened, with a host of LIV Golf League stars including recent Mayakoba champion Joaquin Niemann and Ryder Cup legend Ian Poulter set to join an all-star cast at the Macau Golf & Country Club from 14-17 March. 

https://www.livgolf.com/news/liv-golf-league-heavyweights-join-international-series-macau

 

 

Appears these guys are tired of staying home with their families.

[stinger_gc]

Many people are saying the iron heads and hyflyers needs to be relegated to the Asian tour.  My team is on the cusp brilliance but also in line for a top 5 draft pick next year. Some are saying we could be the Chiefs of LIV in the coming years! I‘d be perfectly fine with us playing like crap the rest of the year! Hopefully Yasir doesn’t dish out fines for intentionally tanking

Edited February 22 by stinger_gc

[pingbling23]

15 hours ago, freeze16172002 said:

Has LIV? have you? You're posting about Garcias worldwide fanbase, maybe you should have something to back that up with. It sure ain't event ticket sales

lets see, whats more reasonable as a statement.  sergio garcia is irrelevant and forgotten or he is one of the greatest ryder cup members and has many fans around the world?  i use common sense to back up my post.....

[stinger_gc]

 

Can’t wait to get a Dean Burmester NFT! It’ll be worth more then Rahm’s LIV contract in a few years

[CaseyC]

Ebay listing from 2040:   "For Sale: Rare John Rahm trading card from short lived LIV Golf era"

[idrive]

4 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

lets see, whats more reasonable as a statement.  sergio garcia is irrelevant and forgotten or he is one of the greatest ryder cup members and has many fans around the world?  i use common sense to back up my post.....

 

one of the greatest ryder cup members and has many fans around the world? = Then

 

sergio garcia is irrelevant and forgotten = Now

 

3 hours ago, stinger_gc said:

Can’t wait to get a Dean Burmester NFT! It’ll be worth more then Rahm’s LIV contract in a few years.

 

Especially when they only printed one of them.  🤣

 

 

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Edited February 22 by idrive

[StoutKing]

Does anyone else think the LIV players are embarrassing Saudi Arabia and Yassir Al Rumayyan?  They paid these guys so much money and nobody cares.  I'm not trying to sound mean but I personally wouldn't drive down the street to watch top golfers play for free if it's not in a tournament that means something.  I know this sounds crazy but if LIV is willing to pay players that nobody cares about hundreds of millions of dollars would they consider paying fans to watch?  I would watch the CW for a couple hundred dollars per round.  I know it sounds silly but if they really want to get their ratings up and are already spending ridiculous sums of money.  Why not?

[BlackDiamondPar5]

4 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

lets see, whats more reasonable as a statement.  sergio garcia is irrelevant and forgotten or he is one of the greatest ryder cup members and has many fans around the world?  i use common sense to back up my post.....

Here's another way to backup @idrive

 

Think! LIV has dumped billions into recruiting some big golf names including Garcia. What's really significant here is that LIV has got to be one of the easiest sports to watch for FREE via app, YT, cw etc and they can barely muster an audience. So yes Sergio (and all the others) on the exhibition tour are now largely irrelevant. 

[freeze16172002]

4 hours ago, pingbling23 said:

lets see, whats more reasonable as a statement.  sergio garcia is irrelevant and forgotten or he is one of the greatest ryder cup members and has many fans around the world?  i use common sense to back up my post.....

Sergio Garcia is irrelevant/forgotten and was one of the greatest ryder cup members and had many fans around the world. I fixed it for you. Did Garcia play on the last ryder cup? No, so "is" becomes was, does his many fans come see him play? so 'has" becomes had. Is Garcia irrelevant and forgotten absolutely, he plays on an meaningless tour that no one watches. Taylormade and Adidas dropped him how much more proof do you need. He is popular because I say so?

[grm24]

4 hours ago, stinger_gc said:

Can’t wait to get a Dean Burmester NFT! It’ll be worth more then Rahm’s LIV contract in a few years

Will be great in a few weeks to find out the exhibition/mercenary tour is actually paying the trading card company to put these out. 

[woahnelly]

The Asian Tour leaderboard looking like a LIV event. 3 Torque guys near the top. Niemann already got invited to Augusta, why is he here ? 😂

[Cactus Jack]

13 hours ago, idrive said:

 

Appears these guys are tired of staying home with their families.

 

I appreciate the humor, but this is a prime example of the PGAT limiting global golf. The PGAT hired Ben Marlow to assess OWGR+, then completely dismissed his findings, some of which are outlined below. The PGAT has built and intends to protect an American-centric tour with few meaningful player pathways & diversity opportunities. Without a merger, players basically have one option to get into the majors, and that's to play on the PGAT and, as a result, kill alternative tour competition.  

 

 

[stinger_gc]

5 hours ago, CaseyC said:

Ebay listing from 2040:   "For Sale: Rare John Rahm trading card from short lived LIV Golf era"

1st bid will be from Brandel Chamblee!

[CDM]

1 hour ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

I appreciate the humor, but this is a prime example of the PGAT limiting global golf. The PGAT hired Ben Marlow to assess OWGR+, then completely dismissed his findings, some of which are outlined below. The PGAT has built and intends to protect an American-centric tour with few meaningful player pathways & diversity opportunities. Without a merger, players basically have one option to get into the majors, and that's to play on the PGAT and, as a result, kill alternative tour competition.  

 

 

 

The PGAT and others where involved not just the PGAT. The bodies of the OWGR where involved.

 

The independent review as I recall was done becuase OWGR covers golf globablly for rankings and how many viewed the PGAT uses the OWGR as a weapon in their favor.   Limiting players outside the PGAT from geting earning points to qualify for Majors.   *IE why the DP tour has the events where the winner or next in line based on finish get into the OPEN.  R&A I think did a good job with the DP Tour adding that years back

 

I never thought once regardless of the findings it was not going to change the OWGR at all. 

 

OWGR system is a flawed system in many ways and yes could be argued skewed to the PGATbut the other parties involved did not fight back once this came out .....so what does that tell you? 

 

This is a business.  If it is not SSG would not put billions into PGAT, LIV would not be dumping billions. All hoping for a return (somehow?) on a cap growth market which was in decline until covid and now a dimished talent pool in many ways.      

 

No one regardless of what type business would willing agree to do anything that would delute the "value" of what they have and if the changes noted would have hurt the PGAT why would they even think about adjusting the OWGR?

 

Bullet point 3... PGAT did listen as they bought the DP Tour for the most part.  Now taking the top talent off it each year, so one could say providing a pathway  🤣   *Though we all know that is not why they bought the DP Tour......

[grm24]

2 hours ago, woahnelly said:

Niemann already got invited to Augusta, why is he here ? 😂

He was entered in the event prior to receiving his Augusta invite this week and/or he is contractually mandated to play. Playing International Series events is a contract requirement for some of the mercenary tour players. There aren't that many OWGR points available in this event. Winner gets 15+ points. An average KFT type field. Not a large enough haul for the winner to substantially move up in the OWGR.

[CDM]

Many keep saying that "no one remembers any of the LIV players"  yet keep saying it over and over about specific players? 

  

"It's better to be forgotten than to never be known at all" 

Edited February 22 by CDM

[bcjim]

2 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

I appreciate the humor, but this is a prime example of the PGAT limiting global golf. The PGAT hired Ben Marlow to assess OWGR+, then completely dismissed his findings, some of which are outlined below. The PGAT has built and intends to protect an American-centric tour with few meaningful player pathways & diversity opportunities. Without a merger, players basically have one option to get into the majors, and that's to play on the PGAT and, as a result, kill alternative tour competition.  

 

 

The majors are under no obligation to use the owgr for anything. 

[Short Pete]

7 hours ago, stinger_gc said:

 

Can’t wait to get a Dean Burmester NFT! It’ll be worth more then Rahm’s LIV contract in a few years

I‘ll trade my Joe Shlabotnik card for a Pat Perez! 

[scotee]

Is the deal off?

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/i-can-t-see-them-coming-back-together-agent-chubby-chandler-predicts-liv-and-pga-tour-to-remain-separate/ar-BB1iIJzh?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=6171ce0235ac4395981f8ced603e19bc&ei=29

 

[scotee]

What are the odds that Rory will jump?

 

https://nypost.com/2024/02/22/sports/rory-mcilroys-former-agent-floats-stunning-950m-liv-golf-defection/

[ahenderX]

4 hours ago, Cactus Jack said:

 

I appreciate the humor, but this is a prime example of the PGAT limiting global golf. The PGAT hired Ben Marlow to assess OWGR+, then completely dismissed his findings, some of which are outlined below. The PGAT has built and intends to protect an American-centric tour with few meaningful player pathways & diversity opportunities. Without a merger, players basically have one option to get into the majors, and that's to play on the PGAT and, as a result, kill alternative tour competition.  

 

 

Where did this information originate? My google search for Ben Marlow OWGR turned up nothing. All I see is some twitter guy named duffer who is a LIV Golf stooge.

Edited February 22 by ahenderX