Exiting low and left? Is this a swing change anyone's made?

[Pauly567]

I've been struggling with my ballstriking for a while. I know there are a million things can cause this, but I've been starting to play around with releasing the club low and left. My current release is up the line and the hands come in high compared to where they started at address. I like the contact with low and left, but I just started experimenting with this and it's with half swings. Should I decide to go down this road, this would be by far the most radical swing change I've ever made, as I've been releasing up the line for 20 years. Are there any advantages to using this method? Seems for like every great player who swings like this (Hogan), I could find another who releases more up the line and with higher hands (Jack for example, and he wasn't to shabby). This swing also seems to keep me in my sidebend after impact longer. As someone who's had lower back issues, is this kind of release sustainable into my later years, or is this meant for younger players? Any thoughts on this are appreciated. 

Edited March 20, 2023 by Pauly567

[mikpga]

Just a product of opening your turns sooner and more, which typically does lead to more side bend from P7-P8.

[cav5]

IMO exiting low and left is a TERRIBLE swing thought

[getitdaily]

Good for a cut. Have to make sure the shoulders don't fly open early. 

 

Good drill if you're too in to out (more than 4 degrees).

[Krt22]

One does not simply exit low and left.

[Elkhair]

The idea ruined my swing for a while. Dont try to do it. 

[RoyalTroon]

Having a sequence designed with harnessing opposing force in mind routing low and left is valid and powerful.  It takes some work but is work but well worth it.  It's been called 'orbit pull' and if that is your cup of tea here's your guy with what you need to do- the land of hooking your way in and slicing your way out, FROM THE INSIDE. 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by BALLYBUNION

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, cav5 said:

IMO exiting low and left is a TERRIBLE swing thought

Thank you.  Wipe fade city or left of left if you don’t have some serious rotation and flexibility . And I’m flexible.  Lol. 

Edited March 20, 2023 by bladehunter

[straightshot7]

4 hours ago, Pauly567 said:

I've been struggling with my ballstriking for a while. I know there are a million things can cause this, but I've been starting to play around with releasing the club low and left. My current release is up the line and the hands come in high compared to where they started at address. I like the contact with low and left, but I just started experimenting with this and it's with half swings. Should I decide to go down this road, this would be by far the most radical swing change I've ever made, as I've been releasing up the line for 20 years. Are there any advantages to using this method? Seems for like every great player who swings like this (Hogan), I could find another who releases more up the line and with higher hands (Jack for example, and he wasn't to shabby). This swing also seems to keep me in my sidebend after impact longer. As someone who's had lower back issues, is this kind of release sustainable into my later years, or is this meant for younger players? Any thoughts on this are appreciated. 

 

Well how low and how left?

I'm pretty sure every great player ever has the club head "left" after impact. It's just a question of how left and how low you mean. Of course you don't want to exaggerate it. But this should actually happen naturally:

taken from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPIzQESqcKo

These images are aligned. The club head is slightly left in the top photo because he already started his backswing.

But if you compare impact (2nd photo) to the 3rd photo, the club head clearly goes left.  It's like this for every Tour pro. This is natural when you're swinging on an arc. You would have to really try to make the club actually go "down the line" or to the right.

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by straightshot7

[bladehunter]

13 minutes ago, straightshot7 said:

 

Well how low and how left?

I'm pretty sure every great player ever has the club head "left" after impact. It's just a question of how left and how low you mean. Of course you don't want to exaggerate it. But this should actually happen naturally:

taken from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPIzQESqcKo

These images are aligned. The club head is slightly left in the top photo because he already started his backswing.

But if you compare impact (2nd photo) to the 3rd photo, the club head clearly goes left.  It's like this for every Tour pro. This is natural when you're swinging on an arc. You would have to really try to make the club actually go "down the line" or to the right.

 

In my opinion jack isn’t low and left.  He’s not left until after impact and he’s quite high at the finish.  
 

 

the whole idea is about a feeling. Rose and Noren sold us this. They “ feel “ low and left.  But if most try to do what they rehearse it’s a real bad deal. 
 

it’s probably a good feel for someone who sucks it inside and swings to first base as a exaggerated teaching feel.  . But if you’re OTT or pretty neutral , I don’t see how the feel ends well. 

[getitdaily]

The feeling is the handle exiting low and left, not the clubhead. 

 

I don't think it's a feel that matches up with a draw. It's been the key feel to how I transitioned from a draw to a fade. The feeling will shift the clubhead path to the inside if done correctly.

 

Great feeling for a fade. But, like with all aspects of the swing, it has to match up...

[straightshot7]

7 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

In my opinion jack isn’t low and left.  He’s not left until after impact and he’s quite high at the finish.  
 

 

the whole idea is about a feeling. Rose and Noren sold us this. They “ feel “ low and left.  But if most try to do what they rehearse it’s a real bad deal. 
 

it’s probably a good feel for someone who sucks it inside and swings to first base as a exaggerated teaching feel.  . But if you’re OTT or pretty neutral , I don’t see how the feel ends well. 

 

OP is asking about releasing the club head. Jack's club head is definitely left after impact. 

"Feel" is a different story. OP to me is asking about what it should actually be. What "Feels" you need to get there is a totally different story.

 

But every great player has the club "left" after impact. So again, the only question is how far left and how low. But is this something one should even be thinking about when swinging or practicing? In my opinion, no. It's just a by-product of a proper swing.

 

Edited March 20, 2023 by straightshot7

[bladehunter]

3 minutes ago, straightshot7 said:

 

OP is asking about release. Jack is definitely left after impact. 

"Feel" is a different story. OP to me is asking about what it should actually be. What "Feels" you need to get there is a totally different story.

 

But every great player has the club "left" after impact. So again, the only question is how far left and how low. But is this something one should even be thinking about when swinging or practicing? In my opinion, no. It's just a by-product of a proper swing.

 

To me low and left Is trying to hit your left toe.    I’ll bow out.  I don’t think hands. I think clubhead.  So I’m not going to be helpful or agreeable.  

[jholz]

Low and left is death for me. For others, it might be the right move.

 

Everything in golf tends to be relative.

[straightshot7]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

To me low and left Is trying to hit your left toe.    I’ll bow out.  I don’t think hands. I think clubhead.  So I’m not going to be helpful or agreeable.  

 

Is the club head not left of where it was at impact?

That's all I am establishing.

 

But like I said "how low, and how left" is another story.

 

And your feels are another story.

 

But the clubhead is literally always left of impact, after it strikes the ball, for good players. 

[ferrispgm]

If the club isn't moving left after impact there is a reason for that and you need to address that particular reason(s).  Are you getting into right tilt too much too early, are you shoving your hands forward and then rotating at the last second to save it, etc.  Just trying to move the club left is going to cause issues otherwise. Moving left is a result of what came before it and not something you can just do.

[Krt22]

37 minutes ago, ferrispgm said:

If the club isn't moving left after impact there is a reason for that and you need to address that particular reason(s).  Are you getting into right tilt too much too early, are you shoving your hands forward and then rotating at the last second to save it, etc.  Just trying to move the club left is going to cause issues otherwise. Moving left is a result of what came before it and not something you can just do.

Bingo.

 

A low left exit is a byproduct of everything else before it, much like lag at impact. Neither are things you simply can add to a swing

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, straightshot7 said:

 

Is the club head not left of where it was at impact?

That's all I am establishing.

 

But like I said "how low, and how left" is another story.

 

And your feels are another story.

 

But the clubhead is literally always left of impact, after it strikes the ball, for good players. 

I didn’t say it didn’t eventually get left.  I said it wasn’t low left. As in a divot pointed well left of the target.  
 

there’s no way to point  at jack thinking “low left “ when he finishes so high and down the line.  The fact that his clubhead exits left of neutral is a given.  I didn’t read anyone saying make it finish right of the target.  

[jholz]

I know that all of this is relative to each individual's swing and where they are on their own personal "swing journey."

 

If you are a classic inside takeaway, OTT, massive slice kind of player - then yeah, low and left at impact might help you get a bit more in the field of play. But, it also might make your problem worse - lower, screaming slices.

 

For me, low and left at impact is going to result in a smother hook. To me, it says "stuck."

 

I, personally, need to be swinging more upright and down the line. That's me.

[getitdaily]

[getitdaily]

[gators78]

I’ve gone down some nasty rabbit holes trying to swing low and left. It’s on my Mt. Rushmore of awful swing advice. 

 

The thought/drill of swinging left is a band aid for someone who gets overactive with their body and the arm swing is a mile behind, it’s a feel to time it better but I don’t believe something you actually want to do. To truly swing it low and left you have to do some major shallowing moves at the top to not bury the club in the ground coming through. 

 

What you’re trying to do is just have your arms and body synced up better coming through impact. A lot of ways to do that without trying to turn and burn. 

 

Also, hard disagree with your point that a lot of the best players swing like that. 

[MonteScheinblum]

11 hours ago, cav5 said:

IMO exiting low and left is a TERRIBLE swing thought

Yes.  The ONLY time it’s helpful is as a half swing drill to get you out of right tilting early.

[MonteScheinblum]

7 hours ago, Krt22 said:

Bingo.

 

A low left exit is a byproduct of everything else before it, much like lag at impact. Neither are things you simply can add to a swing

Correct

[otto6457]

I'll just leave this here and see what happens. 

 

BTW...the sound is annoying so mute it....but the swinging left and trajectory is hypnotizing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZi4A72hZJI&list=PLk3c0rWA6bXbQU2ywzqVsuWi4ox39WWRl&index=5

[Albatross Dreamer]

11 hours ago, Krt22 said:

One does not simply exit low and left.

If you're gonna say the phrase you gotta make the meme. What is this, amateur hour?

[Nels55]

A few thoughts on the clubhead...

 

For a right hander:

The flatter the plane the lower and more left the clubhead will exit.

The shorter the club then more left but higher.

The longer the club then less left but lower. 

[Bow Hunter]

I’ve been working on getting a little closer to the ball and my hands being closer to my legs at impact. I’ve been a down the line guy and it’s very timing dependent. I want to quiet the hands and use my core to square club. 
 

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[smdykas]

I started using this at the range. I am a long time high, short pull draw miss. 

 

I have seen very positive changes. My miss is a double cross, which stinks. but I am having great success on a lot of shots. 

 

I am trying to exit left "chase the front pocket" and hitting straight shots and no ballooning. 

 

This is coming from someone with major hip stall/ flip.

 

Been working on it for a week, and it is great. First time ever I am getting hips and chest turning like they should according to video.

 

but, like all "aha moments" it has to keep working. I will see.