Scottie Scheffler ceiling? Better than any 2000's players sans Tiger?

[manku]

I posted it earlier, but SS has never won a PGA event after March except for the Masters.  Sorry, the Hero doesn't count.

 

It's a really small sample size, and he's done well in other tournaments...but we wouldn't be having this conversation if all SS was doing was finishing in the top 10.

 

I'll wait and see how he does the rest of the year.

 

But I don't really care...he's just too dull.   Like Lee Janzen boring.   I don't root for him or against him.  At least with a Cantlay or Rahm, I feel something even if it's negative.

 

In the current lingo, he's got no rizz.

[Chanceman]

I liked Ian Baker Finch describing his footwork as the Texas Two Step. He’s got to fall over one day right? Btw does he remind anyone else of Joe Palooka from the 60s?

[iBanesto]

2 hours ago, Chanceman said:

I liked Ian Baker Finch describing his footwork as the Texas Two Step. He’s got to fall over one day right? Btw does he remind anyone else of Joe Palooka from the 60s?

 

Scheffler is just following Norman's footwork.

 

 

[ChrisL52188]

8 hours ago, manku said:

I posted it earlier, but SS has never won a PGA event after March except for the Masters.  Sorry, the Hero doesn't count.

 

It's a really small sample size, and he's done well in other tournaments...but we wouldn't be having this conversation if all SS was doing was finishing in the top 10.

 

I'll wait and see how he does the rest of the year.

 

But I don't really care...he's just too dull.   Like Lee Janzen boring.   I don't root for him or against him.  At least with a Cantlay or Rahm, I feel something even if it's negative.

 

In the current lingo, he's got no rizz.

Lee Janzen won two US Opens. Boring does work in golf.

[StoutKing]

Scheffler is the best New Jerseyite probably to ever play.  Props

[Birdman62]

On 4/14/2024 at 8:12 PM, Maine Golfer said:

Im rooting for Scottie and think he can win a ton more, but as others have said a lot of big names have stalled out. Winning even 4 or 5 mayors isn't easy. 

 

I'm not sure why Brooks Koepka doesn't get any love, here or elsewhere.  It's like his 5 majors just haven't fully embedded themselves in the golfing public consciousness for some odd reason.  I mean he won #5 last year, but it seems like ancient history a mere 11 months later.  Now I'm hearing that Scottie is the best iron player since Tiger, as if BK never existed...

 

In any event SS is 3 behind Brooksie, and, despite all of Scottie's undeniable talent, that isn't an easy level to get to; only 3 guys since Faldo, in 28 years.

[Golfnutgalen]

7 hours ago, iBanesto said:

 

Scheffler is just following Norman's footwork.

 

I still remember when people said Norman's footwork was the reason he didn't win the Masters...

 

After seeing Scottie win 2 it couldn't be that. Norman's footwork certainly looks more stable between the two to my eye. 

 

[Titleist99]

12 hours ago, manku said:

I posted it earlier, but SS has never won a PGA event after March except for the Masters.  Sorry, the Hero doesn't count.

 

It's a really small sample size, and he's done well in other tournaments...but we wouldn't be having this conversation if all SS was doing was finishing in the top 10.

 

I'll wait and see how he does the rest of the year.

 

But I don't really care...he's just too dull.   Like Lee Janzen boring.   I don't root for him or against him.  At least with a Cantlay or Rahm, I feel something even if it's negative.

 

In the current lingo, he's got no rizz.

Just so I follow....what other athlete in any other sport must provoke an inner feeling inside you for you to root for them or allow you to enjoy their efforts?

 

I'm asking because I might be missing something here.....

[Maine Golfer]

46 minutes ago, Birdman62 said:

 

I'm not sure why Brooks Koepka doesn't get any love, here or elsewhere.  It's like his 5 majors just haven't fully embedded themselves in the golfing public consciousness for some odd reason.  I mean he won #5 last year, but it seems like ancient history a mere 11 months later.  Now I'm hearing that Scottie is the best iron player since Tiger, as if BK never existed...

 

In any event SS is 3 behind Brooksie, and, despite all of Scottie's undeniable talent, that isn't an easy level to get to; only 3 guys since Faldo, in 28 years.

You would have Scottie in your home but not Brooks is my reply.  

[johnseg]

49 minutes ago, Birdman62 said:

 

I'm not sure why Brooks Koepka doesn't get any love, here or elsewhere.  It's like his 5 majors just haven't fully embedded themselves in the golfing public consciousness for some odd reason.  I mean he won #5 last year, but it seems like ancient history a mere 11 months later.  Now I'm hearing that Scottie is the best iron player since Tiger, as if BK never existed...

 

In any event SS is 3 behind Brooksie, and, despite all of Scottie's undeniable talent, that isn't an easy level to get to; only 3 guys since Faldo, in 28 years.

As much as some think it isn't just about majors when measuring the top players. Brooks does have 5 majors but only 4 other wins and is now 33. Scheffler also has 9 wins but only two majors. He is only 27. Where will he be at 33? Rory has 24 and 4 plus some DPWT wins and he is 34.

 

Getting to 5 majors is a big but the 6th changes levels yet again. That gets from T-15 to T-12

[AddInfinitum]

58 minutes ago, johnseg said:

As much as some think it isn't just about majors when measuring the top players. Brooks does have 5 majors but only 4 other wins and is now 33. Scheffler also has 9 wins but only two majors. He is only 27. Where will he be at 33? Rory has 24 and 4 plus some DPWT wins and he is 34.

 

Getting to 5 majors is a big but the 6th changes levels yet again. That gets from T-15 to T-12

Good stats there. I’d bet on Scheffler to get to 5 majors by 33 yo. And he should have a lot more other wins to add to that.

[PedronNiall]

2 hours ago, Birdman62 said:

 

I'm not sure why Brooks Koepka doesn't get any love, here or elsewhere.  It's like his 5 majors just haven't fully embedded themselves in the golfing public consciousness for some odd reason.  I mean he won #5 last year, but it seems like ancient history a mere 11 months later.  Now I'm hearing that Scottie is the best iron player since Tiger, as if BK never existed...

 

In any event SS is 3 behind Brooksie, and, despite all of Scottie's undeniable talent, that isn't an easy level to get to; only 3 guys since Faldo, in 28 years.

 

Skilled as he may be, as much potential as he may still have, Koepka still comes across like he hates talking about even the Majors, hates being at every tournament, and so on. Guy is obviously human the way he emoted about getting to spend time with his son but outside of that he's dull and uninterested--at best--in everything when being interviewed. Scheffler admits golf is work to him but he at least treats the media and the fans he knows are watching to some energy in his responses. 

 

People are going to be who they're going to be on both sides, as the doers or the fans watching. Personality matters. Personality is a huge part of why people rooted for Sosa over McGuire and preferred both over Bonds during the home run chases. People aren't going to like you solely because you're great at something. If that doesn't matter to Koepka then it's gravy. If it does he needs to get a PR person and learn to fake a personality so people will buy into his brand instead of booing him or ignoring him. 

[me05501]

Scottie is playing great despite being a worse-than-tour-average putter. He still misses short putts in a way that can be maddening. If TW had missed as many three footers as Scottie has he would have committed seppuku years ago. 

[stinger_gc]

22 hours ago, Chopper Dave said:

Scottie: 9 wins incl 2 majors 22-24

Vijay: 17 wins incl 1 major 03-06

Spieth: 10 wins incl 3 majors 15-17

 

Phil’s stretch from 2004-13 doesn’t get talked about as much as it should. Sure it’s a longer period and he didn’t dominate but 21 PGAT wins, 5 majors and 5 more runner ups in majors in that window is insane.

[Maine Golfer]

Before we can really say Scottie or Brooks, we need more time. Give Scottie another few years. I think he wins another major easy this year, if the pattern rolls on. 

[Scotty1140]

Great player, fun to watch, but at this point he hasn't quite reached peak Speith or peak Rory. So let's just pump the brakes a wee bit? Every time i watch that foot slip of his I wonder "something has to go wrong with that eventually right?"

 

Not rooting against the guy just don't want to be a prisoner of the moment... 

[Chopper Dave]

1 hour ago, stinger_gc said:

Phil’s stretch from 2004-13 doesn’t get talked about as much as it should. Sure it’s a longer period and he didn’t dominate but 21 PGAT wins, 5 majors and 5 more runner ups in majors in that window is insane.

yes indeed, there were some good  solid long burns in there but I was just looking for solid purple patches of dominance for more than one year.  I think JT had one year of 5 wins incl a major but the year either side wasn’t as fruitful 

[mosesgolf]

IMO Scotty gets to at least 5 which puts him in some really great company.  Let's wait until his body of work is done.   

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_men's_major_championships_winning_golfers

 

 

[Golfnutgalen]

19 minutes ago, Chopper Dave said:

yes indeed, there were some good  solid long burns in there but I was just looking for solid purple patches of dominance for more than one year.  I think JT had one year of 5 wins incl a major but the year either side wasn’t as fruitful 

JT had some very good years, he doesn't get enough credit.

 

Most wins in 2017 (you mentioned), tied for the most wins in 2018 and 2020. 12 wins in a 4 year stretch.

 

If 4 years is too long he still won 8 events in a 2 year stretch. Who else has done that since Tiger?

 

 

 

[Maine Golfer]

Post Tiger peak people go on streaks and fall back to "normal world top 20" stuff. I'd say its a pattern. 

 

Poor Rory 

[ChrisL52188]

2 hours ago, me05501 said:

Scottie is playing great despite being a worse-than-tour-average putter. He still misses short putts in a way that can be maddening. If TW had missed as many three footers as Scottie has he would have committed seppuku years ago. 

If Scottie can improve that area of his game, he'll be the number one guy for a long time.

[Dutch1008]

Good summary of Scottie vs other stars through 120 starts...

 

Tiger > Jack > Rory > Brooks > Spieth = Scheffler > Rahm 

 

https://x.com/jamierkennedy/status/1780350458357305684

 

Scottie's ball striking makes me think his run may be more sustainable than Rory / Brooks / Jordan  / Rahm but you never know when a player will hit a cool spell. 

 

Last year at this time Rahm was coming off a Masters win after already winning the Sentry, Amex, and Genesis. These runs can happen. 

[Dutch1008]

3 hours ago, me05501 said:

Scottie is playing great despite being a worse-than-tour-average putter. He still misses short putts in a way that can be maddening. If TW had missed as many three footers as Scottie has he would have committed seppuku years ago. 

 

Scottie has been a positive SG-Putting player every year on tour besides 2023. It may be his weakest skill but he's  better than tour average. 

 

https://datagolf.com/player-profiles?dg_id=18417

 

[Neo1]

would love to see a guy dominate the game like Tiger did or even half of what Tiger did and Scottie seems extremely humble and just a flat out nice guy...but I don't think that shuffle move of his will age well...ankle's first, hips and then back it all works form the ground up. I hope I'm wrong 

[ac6]

41 minutes ago, Neo1 said:

would love to see a guy dominate the game like Tiger did or even half of what Tiger did and Scottie seems extremely humble and just a flat out nice guy...but I don't think that shuffle move of his will age well...ankle's first, hips and then back it all works form the ground up. I hope I'm wrong 

 

I have the complete opposite view about his swing...I think it'll actually age really well. The shuffle move dissipates the extreme twisting forces that would otherwise be absorbed by his joints. He doesn't do it on the short irons, so I think as he gets older and loses speed, you'll just see it happen less.

 

On the other hand don't think that a guy who has experienced the issues he has had with putting becomes a consistently good enough putter to dominate the way Tiger did. 

[Neo1]

20 minutes ago, ac6 said:

 

I have the complete opposite view about his swing...I think it'll actually age really well. The shuffle move dissipates the extreme twisting forces that would otherwise be absorbed by his joints. He doesn't do it on the short irons, so I think as he gets older and loses speed, you'll just see it happen less.

 

On the other hand don't think that a guy who has experienced the issues he has had with putting becomes a consistently good enough putter to dominate the way Tiger did. 

 

sometimes that shuffle causes a lot of side bend in his swing, his spine is literally almost 45 degrees at time..it always shocks me because other times he stays tall so that tells me it's a mistake when he goes to much to the side...he says his footwork makes him feel "athletic" that usually doesn't translate well when you get older. 

[Golfnutgalen]

2 hours ago, Dutch1008 said:

Good summary of Scottie vs other stars through 120 starts...

 

Tiger > Jack > Rory > Brooks > Spieth = Scheffler > Rahm 

 

https://x.com/jamierkennedy/status/1780350458357305684

 

Scottie's ball striking makes me think his run may be more sustainable than Rory / Brooks / Jordan  / Rahm but you never know when a player will hit a cool spell. 

 

Last year at this time Rahm was coming off a Masters win after already winning the Sentry, Amex, and Genesis. These runs can happen. 

 

Eerily similar to Jordan Spieth like you said.

 

Of course I don't think he's gonna fall by the wayside like Jordan has. Jordan had a couple things which seemed to completely derail his career, first his Masters collapse and then second being demoralized by DJ in a playoff which seemed to be the catalyst for him changing his swing in search of more distance.

 

People love to say it was just the putter going for him, but he was an elite ballstriker as well especially in 2017.

 

Back then he was +0.89 on approach  shots. Now he's below average.

 

 

[Chopper Dave]

4 hours ago, Golfnutgalen said:

JT had some very good years, he doesn't get enough credit.

 

Most wins in 2017 (you mentioned), tied for the most wins in 2018 and 2020. 12 wins in a 4 year stretch.

 

If 4 years is too long he still won 8 events in a 2 year stretch. Who else has done that since Tiger?

 

 

 

Thread title isn’t since Tiger, it’s post 2000, sans tiger.
 

Vijay had 13 wins in a two year stretch. 

03-04 13 wins 

04-05 is also 13 wins

 

 

 

[Ferguson]

Great.  Another Scheffler thread.  

 

 

[Golfnutgalen]

33 minutes ago, Chopper Dave said:

Thread title isn’t since Tiger, it’s post 2000, sans tiger.
 

Vijay had 13 wins in a two year stretch. 

03-04 13 wins 

04-05 is also 13 wins

 

 

 

 

Vijay's 9 win season was crazy, I want to see Scheffler do something like it. 

 

Nobody does that. Outside of Tiger you have to go back to 1950 for a season with at least 9 wins (Snead 11). Arnie got 8 twice (1960 and 1962) and Miller once when he was on a heater. Of course Nicklaus got to 7 a couple of times in 1972 and 1973.

 

Looking at that I think Arnie is underrated nowadays. He was on fire from 1960-1963 with 4 seasons worth of 6-8 wins each. But I've always thought that his 62 PGA tour wins have not been given the credit they deserve.

Edited April 17 by Golfnutgalen