why don't more people play using the Gary Player walk thru

[Scottk]

Obviously, this is a good drill recommended by many teaching pros. For people that have trouble effectively getting to the left side, this drill is like magic. If you walk through the shot, the weight has to transfer. I was trying this at an indoor range and it was solid shot after solid shot. Then I wondered, why don't people ever take that to the course. I know Gary Player has done it, but I have never seen a single other person take a controlled step after the shot, including players who really hang back.

 

Other than the potential of not looking "right", would there be a downside from a pure performance standpoint of walking through the shot?

[juststeve]

I don't think Gary Player "walked through" shots deliberately. Most of the time he didn't "walk through" at all. He did move aggressively to his left side and sometimes he went through his left post. That's not necessarily a good thing except as an over correction for someone who hangs back.

Steve

[tfish]

[quote name='Scottk' timestamp='1292597862' post='2845255']Then I wondered, why don't people ever take that to the course. I know Gary Player has done it, but I have never seen a single other person take a controlled step after the shot, including players who really hang back.[/quote]

jeff overton does it every other time he hits a wedge. maybe not that controlled.....but he certainly gets all onto the front and then steps through with his right.

[hbgpagolfpro]

It's definitely a good drill to use for anyone who has difficulty getting weight onto the front foot at impact.

[fats]

At least for Gary, it was an anti-pull or anti pull hook move...it had nothing to do with his worry about getting to his left side which he does beautifully...there was always water or trouble left when he did that.

[freshprince99]

its a great drill for the range but its not great for balance, i wouldnt say its advisable to use on the course.

[hbgpagolfpro]

[quote name='fats' timestamp='1292608089' post='2845492']
At least for Gary, it was an anti-pull or anti pull hook move...it had nothing to do with his worry about getting to his left side which he does beautifully...there was always water or trouble left when he did that.
[/quote]

Ahhh, but if you are a good player and hang back on your right side a split second too long, the club will release too soon, and cause a hook. That step through would insure that he would not hang back.

[Geohans]

Yes he did it on purpose, and yes he used it on the course.

[tembolo1284]

Gary is the man!

[fats]

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[quote name='fats' timestamp='1292608089' post='2845492']
At least for Gary, it was an anti-pull or anti pull hook move...it had nothing to do with his worry about getting to his left side which he does beautifully...there was always water or trouble left when he did that.
[/quote]

Ahhh, but if you are a good player and hang back on your right side a split second too long, the club will release too soon, and cause a hook. That step through would insure that he would not hang back.
[/quote]

[b]Well, as a teacher you would think in that fashion...but that is a double negative...don't hang back, don't go left...easier to do a move created to not pull the ball...one less negative and thus a better chance of succeeding.[/b]

[b]In addition, Gary looks at his walk through as a positive source on a hole where the trouble left suddenly looms large. The step through creates success by staying away from that trouble. He then can go to the next shot with a clear and aggressive mind. If he thought "Don't Hang Back" that negative could and likely would bleed into his thoughts on subsequent shots...a definite no no.[/b]

[hbgpagolfpro]

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[quote name='hbgpagolfpro' timestamp='1292614586' post='2845625']
[quote name='fats' timestamp='1292608089' post='2845492']
At least for Gary, it was an anti-pull or anti pull hook move...it had nothing to do with his worry about getting to his left side which he does beautifully...there was always water or trouble left when he did that.
[/quote]

Ahhh, but if you are a good player and hang back on your right side a split second too long, the club will release too soon, and cause a hook. That step through would insure that he would not hang back.
[/quote]

[b]Well, as a teacher you would think in that fashion...but that is a double negative...don't hang back, don't go left...easier to do a move created to not pull the ball...one less negative and thus a better chance of succeeding.[/b]

[b]In addition, Gary looks at his walk through as a positive source on a hole where the trouble left suddenly looms large. The step through creates success by staying away from that trouble. He then can go to the next shot with a clear and aggressive mind. If he thought "Don't Hang Back" that negative could and likely would bleed into his thoughts on subsequent shots...a definite no no.[/b]
[/quote]

Makes sense to me!

Does Gary pretty much just hit a draw? And, was that the case in his prime?

[HackerD]

With age as my back gets creaky and less flexible the step-out also reduces strain on the spine.

[KevCarter]

[quote name='fats' timestamp='1292625189' post='2845876']
[b]Well, as a teacher you would think in that fashion...but that is a double negative...don't hang back, don't go left...easier to do a move created to not pull the ball...one less negative and thus a better chance of succeeding.[/b]

[b]In addition, Gary looks at his walk through as a positive source on a hole where the trouble left suddenly looms large. The step through creates success by staying away from that trouble. He then can go to the next shot with a clear and aggressive mind. If he thought "Don't Hang Back" that negative could and likely would bleed into his thoughts on subsequent shots...a definite no no.[/b]
[/quote]

The mindset of a [b]PLAYER[/b].

Thanks Fats!

Kevin

[Tanner25]

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[quote name='fats' timestamp='1292625189' post='2845876']
[b]Well, as a teacher you would think in that fashion...but that is a double negative...don't hang back, don't go left...easier to do a move created to not pull the ball...one less negative and thus a better chance of succeeding.[/b]

[b]In addition, Gary looks at his walk through as a positive source on a hole where the trouble left suddenly looms large. The step through creates success by staying away from that trouble. He then can go to the next shot with a clear and aggressive mind. If he thought "Don't Hang Back" that negative could and likely would bleed into his thoughts on subsequent shots...a definite no no.[/b]
[/quote]

The mindset of a [b]PLAYER[/b].

Thanks Fats!

Kevin
[/quote]

A few years back for about a season, the walk thru just happened for me. It worked pretty good, not sure how it happened though. " you've got to tern, just strike the ball - zipppp, like striking a match...and walk thru"...ha, ha

[fats]

[quote name='Tanner25' timestamp='1292687471' post='2846624']
[quote name='kevcarter ' timestamp='1292681821' post='2846501']
[quote name='fats' timestamp='1292625189' post='2845876']
[b]Well, as a teacher you would think in that fashion...but that is a double negative...don't hang back, don't go left...easier to do a move created to not pull the ball...one less negative and thus a better chance of succeeding.[/b]

[b]In addition, Gary looks at his walk through as a positive source on a hole where the trouble left suddenly looms large. The step through creates success by staying away from that trouble. He then can go to the next shot with a clear and aggressive mind. If he thought "Don't Hang Back" that negative could and likely would bleed into his thoughts on subsequent shots...a definite no no.[/b]
[/quote]

The mindset of a [b]PLAYER[/b].

Thanks Fats!

Kevin
[/quote]

A few years back for about a season, the walk thru just happened for me. It worked pretty good, not sure how it happened though. " you've got to tern, just strike the ball - zipppp, like striking a match...and walk thru"...ha, ha
[/quote]

HaHaHa...I remember trying something I read on the forum a couple of years ago (can't remember what it was as I erased it from my thoughts) but as I went through impact my right foot went off the ground like AK does on a super duper all out fairway wood shot...LOL End of that effort. Well, we try things...what's good for some might not work for someone else, but it is fun to try some of these things whether they work or not.

[swbyps]

A month or so ago I got paired with a couple guys and one of them was using this move on the course. About 5 holes into the round I asked him "how did you come up with that unique swing". He said it was something his pro had im working on and he had played about 3 rounds that way.

[Obee]

Reviving this thread, as I just used this swing the last two days in a tournament where my partner and I finished 2nd. I will post video of my "new" swing when I have some time. This swing is the ONLY way I can play when I am suffering from back spasms. Using is has taught me a lot about my game and my swing....

[Atrayn]

I tried it off and on over the last 25 years but just can't sync it up with the club twirl....

[torbill]

In reading through this old thread, I would have been interesting to know what evidence supported the notion that Player only walked through his shot when there was a hazard on the left. Player’s shot was a low draw. This is what kept him competitive, distance wise. A low draw can become a hook, which would be trouble no matter what the on-course situation.

 

I don’t see any left hazard in these video shots, and he certainly is walking through, and these are not practice rounds:

 

 

Player wanted to get his weight shifted hard to his left. It only makes sense that anytime - and in any course condition - that he felt he was having a problem getting a strong weight shift he would want to walk through the shot to avoid a hook. It is almost impossible to hook the ball when doing a walk through, in my experience. And listen to what he has to say about getting to his left side in the video on the Colbert web site:

 

http://www.myteachingpro.com/colbert-ballardgolfschool/Home.aspx

 

Obee, my shots go straighter when I walk through. Do yours?

[Obee]

In reading through this old thread, I would have been interesting to know what evidence supported the notion that Player only walked through his shot when there was a hazard on the left. Player’s shot was a low draw. This is what kept him competitive, distance wise. A low draw can become a hook, which would be trouble no matter what the on-course situation.

 

I don’t see any left hazard in these video shots, and he certainly is walking through, and these are not practice rounds:

 

 

Player wanted to get his weight shifted hard to his left. It only makes sense that anytime - and in any course condition - that he felt he was having a problem getting a strong weight shift he would want to walk through the shot to avoid a hook. It is almost impossible to hook the ball when doing a walk through, in my experience. And listen to what he has to say about getting to his left side in the video on the Colbert web site:

 

http://www.myteachin...chool/Home.aspx

 

Obee, my shots go straighter when I walk through. Do yours?

 

MUCH straighter. Read my post in the "Tournament Thread" in this forum. 25 of 28 fairways hit in the tournament I played the last two days.

[SkiSchoolPro]

Did Paddy Harrington use this drill on the course a year or two ago (Irish Open?) or was it a variation?

[bulls9999]

I had to laugh when I saw this thread because my companion I play 95% of the time with (my wife) always chides me when I do my 'walk through dance step' or sometimes refers it as the Gary Player step-off. I am 64, about 6' and 225-lbs, and it's simply my momentum carrying me forward, not trying to do it at all, but sometimes I just let it happen and don't fight it and I must say, I hit some nice drives when doing it, lol.

 

I don't think Gary Player "walked through" shots deliberately. Most of the time he didn't "walk through" at all. He did move aggressively to his left side and sometimes he went through his left post. That's not necessarily a good thing except as an over correction for someone who hangs back.

 

Steve

[Moshjean]

Why don’t more golfers have a long pause at the top like Hideki?

Why don’t more golfers bow their wrist like DJ?

Why don’t more golfers eliminate wrist c0ck in the backswing like JB Holmes?

 

Tour players are good in spite of their idiosyncrasies, not because of them.

Swing your own swing, and if anything copy the moves that they all have in common

[Matt J]

I play some with a local first assistant that does this on the course. I've never tried it, but I have caught myself hanging back some lately, too much reverse C, might be time...

[Tim Schoch]

I have tried the walk through many times. By the time I begin to walk through, the ball is gone. My probem is transition/downswing related. Maybe Gary sought to correct some subtle feel in his swing, but for me, I need a correction before I hit the ball.

[powerfade66]

I think it was a move from a time when there was more hip sliding leading to more of a hang back tilt and therefore losing the right side earlier.

[torbill]

I have tried the walk through many times. By the time I begin to walk through, the ball is gone. My probem is transition/downswing related. Maybe Gary sought to correct some subtle feel in his swing, but for me, I need a correction before I hit the ball.

 

You are likely doing it right. The ball will be long gone by the time that you actually take the step, and the early correction that you want will have already occurred. Look at Player in the video, below. His back toe is still on the ground when he makes contact. His club is on his left shoulder by the time that he takes the step.

 

I think that you may be confusing cause and effect. The cause is not the step. The step is the effect. The cause is the strong weight shift to the left side. The cause leads the effect, in time:

 

[b.mattay]

I do this when I need to hit an iron 20-30 yards farther (normally a trouble shot over a tree).

[Obee]

I do this when I need to hit an iron 20-30 yards farther (normally a trouble shot over a tree).

 

Interesting. I am definitely SHORTER with the step-through.

[mci711]

It works for Hung-so Choi. Maybe the most dramatic step through.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jcx8Byyp1c