Updates on TaylorMade's TP Line Irons/Woods Revival? (merged)

[TheMoneyShot]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1382364740' post='8033877']


Oh no.... TMAG, everything was so encouraging over the last few months, don't mess this up now!
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Yep, I'm starting loose hope now. Not that that little logo will make the clubs better but I was sure looking forward to seeing it on something other than the shafts.

[TheMoneyShot]

[quote name='fife321' timestamp='1382322291' post='8032455']


what current or past MB would you say they look like? i've heard they have a very clean look, but what other iron would you say the new MB looks like?
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The ones I was privy to during the proto stage resembled the MP14's. Rumor has it the design that will be released retail may change though, so who really knows at this point.

[jmck]

Pictures anyone?

[bph7]

I gotta give TMAG some credit, seems like a bunch of people have seen the clubs, but no pics. That's gotta be somewhat tough to do when everyone has at least one camera on them at all times.

[DRRicks]

[quote name='TheMoneyShot' timestamp='1382359014' post='8033529']
Guys, Yesterday I received a pm from a member stating that TM may nix the TP logo on the new irons that were on the original protos many of us have already seen. I have a call out to a TM insider I know to confirm or deny this info. Not the news us TP ho's wanted to hear. I'll post back once I get additional info.
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Disappointed, but not surprised by this...it was too good to be true.

[Rebel420]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1382470981' post='8041307']
I gotta give TMAG some credit, seems like a bunch of people have seen the clubs, but no pics. That's gotta be somewhat tough to do when everyone has at least one camera on them at all times.
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Even more credit to the integrity of the fine folks who have seen these and are keeping tight lipped!

I will say, though, I really like the new TP logo. It's still, no doubt a TM TP logo, but doesn't scream "Corvette" like the former one. Now if I only had the game to play clubs with the logo.....

[MorikawaTMAG]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1382470981' post='8041307']
I gotta give TMAG some credit, seems like a bunch of people have seen the clubs, but no pics. That's gotta be somewhat tough to do when everyone has at least one camera on them at all times.
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well even if you see it at the headquarters there are no cameras allowed inside. A few years back I saw a ton of prototype putters in their putter lab, but couldn't take pics of them

[sweetswing22]

They need to have a remake of the RAC LT2s Endo forged. These irons were so far ahead of there time.
I see lots of irons now that are doing the same thing. These irons are still relavent now. Just put a Speed face
on them and they will be better than most!

[mickeytbones]

Irons need a speed face?

How about a perfect compact blade that can be bent 3-4 degrees flat, or just releasing an iron whose natural lies are not upright?

A total utilitarian tool, the way a blade should be?

I don't mind a little flash, but make the face have some diamonds next to the scoring lines?

A throwback club.

I do not want a speed face on a blade.

[Rebel420]

[quote name='mickeytbones' timestamp='1382609580' post='8050121']
Irons need a speed face?

How about a perfect compact blade that can be bent 3-4 degrees flat, or just releasing an iron whose natural lies are not upright?

A total utilitarian tool, the way a blade should be?

I don't mind a little flash, but make the face have some diamonds next to the scoring lines?

A throwback club.

I do not want a speed face on a blade.
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As for lie angles, I have been playing 2* flat for a while because that is what the lie board/impact test showed was "best fit"... However, when getting fitted for new irons, that stock lie was about 1/2* more upright than others! found the 2* flat from there works better for me, so I should have been in more like a 1.5* flat all along. I'm also sure that the decision to start making stock lie angles slightly more upright is based on the results of custom fittings/orders. If you ignore the "off the shelf purchases, and look at all of the custom orders/stats on what adjustments re made, they probably saw significantly more orders for upright lies over flat lies. And although most lies were ordered significantly more than 1/2-1* upright! a compromise was made, so as to not make the clubs unplayable for the few who ordered flat! or played "traditional standard". The stock lie angles really only apply to those who buy off the rack without fitting (majority of sets sold), so why not make the lies progressing toward what will be a better fit for most? Will have an off the rack demo that will better fit more=happier people=more sales. With a forged club, the ability to bend is pretty good. I once picked up a demo club that was a 4*upright lie! and had bent to 2* flat, and it went there very easily, and appeared that it could have easily went even more so.. In other words, stock lie doesn't affect most of us who get fitted

[bph7]

[quote name='mickeytbones' timestamp='1382609580' post='8050121']
Irons need a speed face?

How about a perfect compact blade that can be bent 3-4 degrees flat, or just releasing an iron whose natural lies are not upright?

A total utilitarian tool, the way a blade should be?

I don't mind a little flash, but make the face have some diamonds next to the scoring lines?

A throwback club.

I do not want a speed face on a blade.
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Glad I am not the only one who would be looking for something like this. The upright stuff in particular is maddening: I know that more and more people are "fitting" into upright clubs, but it's probably because their impact dynamics are such a mess. Keeping them in upright clubs gives them zero chance of ever getting close to a proper path/strike because the heal would dig so much. This causes a compensation in the swing to avoid this, and no real, substantive improvement ever results in ballstriking.

[Caesar Palache]

[quote name='bph7' timestamp='1382624260' post='8050735']


Glad I am not the only one who would be looking for something like this. The upright stuff in particular is maddening: I know that more and more people are "fitting" into upright clubs, but it's probably because their impact dynamics are such a mess. Keeping them in upright clubs gives them zero chance of ever getting close to a proper path/strike because the heal would dig so much. This causes a compensation in the swing to avoid this, and no real, substantive improvement ever results in ballstriking.
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who cares what the stock lie comes at? get fit and get it right. i play a 6 iron lie angle of 58.5*, while i know the stock lie angle of the rocketbladez tour is 62*...it doesnt matter to me what the stock lie angle is since I order clubs with a lie angle that fits me.

no one, no one should buy clubs right off the rack. you need to get fit and get then made to your specs. so it shouldnt matter that the clubs are upright. so the whole point about TM being maddening makes no sense to me. as does the improper path/strike you talk about. that isnt because of upright clubs, thats because of not getting properly fit.

[bph7]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1382625303' post='8050821']


who cares what the stock lie comes at? get fit and get it right. i play a 6 iron lie angle of 58.5*, while i know the stock lie angle of the rocketbladez tour is 62*...it doesnt matter to me what the stock lie angle is since I order clubs with a lie angle that fits me.

no one, no one should buy clubs right off the rack. you need to get fit and get then made to your specs. so it shouldnt matter that the clubs are upright. so the whole point about TM being maddening makes no sense to me. as does the improper path/strike you talk about. that isnt because of upright clubs, thats because of not getting properly fit.
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What I said wasn't directed only at TMAG, sorry if that wasn't clear. I was talking more about the industry in general, I think upright clubs generally are detrimental to solid impact dynamics. I also disagree with the notion of fitting most people for their current impact dynamics IF the current impact dynamics are terrible. Seems completely counterproductive to me, but that's more of philosophical issue about clubfitting. But again, just to be clear, I am not blaming TMAG for any of this or saying they should change, and I also do not think this is the proper place to argue about my feelings about upright clubs, so let's just get it back on track.

ANY NEW INFO ANYBODY? PICS? RELEASE DATE?

[phelps22]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1382625303' post='8050821']

who cares what the stock lie comes at? get fit and get it right. i play a 6 iron lie angle of 58.5*, while i know the stock lie angle of the rocketbladez tour is 62*...it doesnt matter to me what the stock lie angle is since I order clubs with a lie angle that fits me.

no one, no one should buy clubs right off the rack. you need to get fit and get then made to your specs. so it shouldnt matter that the clubs are upright. so the whole point about TM being maddening makes no sense to me. as does the improper path/strike you talk about. that isnt because of upright clubs, thats because of not getting properly fit.
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I agree 100% with being fit for the clubs you have. No one should go in and just buy a driver, woods, or irons without taking the time to go through a fitting. Regardless of a persons swing mechanics or how they deliver the club to the ball getting a proper fitting will give them the best chance to hit the ball with a solid strike.

[xerpro]

[quote name='Rebel420' timestamp='1382617092' post='8050309']

As for lie angles, I have been playing 2* flat for a while because that is what the lie board/impact test showed was "best fit"... However, when getting fitted for new irons, that stock lie was about 1/2* more upright than others! found the 2* flat from there works better for me, so I should have been in more like a 1.5* flat all along. I'm also sure that the decision to start making stock lie angles slightly more upright is based on the results of custom fittings/orders. If you ignore the "off the shelf purchases, and look at all of the custom orders/stats on what adjustments re made, they probably saw significantly more orders for upright lies over flat lies. And although most lies were ordered significantly more than 1/2-1* upright! a compromise was made, so as to not make the clubs unplayable for the few who ordered flat! or played "traditional standard". The stock lie angles really only apply to those who buy off the rack without fitting (majority of sets sold), so why not make the lies progressing toward what will be a better fit for most? Will have an off the rack demo that will better fit more=happier people=more sales. With a forged club, the ability to bend is pretty good. I once picked up a demo club that was a 4*upright lie! and had bent to 2* flat, and it went there very easily, and appeared that it could have easily went even more so.. In other words, stock lie doesn't affect most of us who get fitted
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Rebel-
I believe the upright lie angle also has to do with the additional length. Im with you though, 1.5 flat off of traditional lie angles is where I strike it the best....and tone down the draw a little.

[phelps22]

[quote name='xerpro' timestamp='1382627121' post='8050959']


Rebel-
I believe the upright lie angle also has to do with the additional length. Im with you though, 1.5 flat off of traditional lie angles is where I strike it the best....and tone down the draw a little.
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Taylormade's players irons are generally shorter by a 1/4" compared to most oem's with exception to Mizuno which are the same. GI irons from TM are definitely longer and more upright though.

[TheMoneyShot]

Rumor has it is that TM is getting flack from GM/Corvette about the TP logo is to close to the vette logo. TM may not show the new TP logo on the back of their iron line now. If true, this makes no sense to me because they are using the new logo on the shafts already. What's the difference??? Again, this is the rumor I'm hearing so who knows what is going on behind the scenes...

[Dscvrr St Louis]

Heaven's knows that it will confuse the market place...
'Hmm...is this a golf club or is it a Fiberglass body, 650 hp, rear-wheel drive, adrenaline rush!! Hmm...not sure..I am confused they the Flag like logo on both items'!!

Really..

[peanutandjelly]

they are coming out with a yellow r1 sldr driver and fairway woods....2 weeks from now since all the tm'ers will be ready for something new. they learned this timing from watching people constantly buying new i phones a month after buying the previous all new i phone.
this one will have 276 different combinations since you can add weight to the slider part and still set all the loft, lie angle settings. It will also come with 3 different shafts so you can multiply the settings by 3.
suggested price 879.00 but you get a free hat.

[Imp]

They really need a report post button in the mobile version.

--kC

[BirdieBob]

I have no problem with a "corvette" type logo on the back of the iron head....


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[Rebel420]

[quote name='Imp' timestamp='1382637748' post='8051921']
They really need a report post button in the mobile version.

--kC
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You can always click the link at the bottom of the page to see the full version and report

[Rebel420]

[quote name='TheMoneyShot' timestamp='1382636786' post='8051825']
Rumor has it is that TM is getting flack from GM/Corvette about the TP logo is to close to the vette logo. TM may not show the new TP logo on the back of their iron line now. If true, this makes no sense to me because they are using the new logo on the shafts already. What's the difference??? Again, this is the rumor I'm hearing so who knows what is going on behind the scenes...
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Are they giving flack, or just working it to get a piece of the pie-- like the Ferrari Cobra line... No reasonable person would make the mistake, but if they can spin it to make money, I'm sure GM will

[bcflyguy1]

[quote name='BirdieBob' timestamp='1382638063' post='8051951']
I have no problem with a "corvette" type logo on the back of the iron head....


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Nice one, Bob. Makes me miss my C6 that I sold when I got married.

[TheMoneyShot]

[quote name='Rebel420' timestamp='1382641454' post='8052241']

Are they giving flack, or just working it to get a piece of the pie-- like the Ferrari Cobra line... No reasonable person would make the mistake, but if they can spin it to make money, I'm sure GM will
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Who knows.....

[bph7]

[quote name='Rebel420' timestamp='1382641454' post='8052241']

Are they giving flack, or just working it to get a piece of the pie-- like the Ferrari Cobra line... No reasonable person would make the mistake, but if they can spin it to make money, I'm sure GM will
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If GM is taking this position, it's likely to protect the mark from becoming generic, not for a money grab. TMAG is a relatively tiny company compared to GM, so I'd doubt that any time taken in doing this just "to get a piece of the pie" would even be worth GM's time.

[mickeytbones]

[quote name='Caesar Palache' timestamp='1382625303' post='8050821']

who cares what the stock lie comes at? get fit and get it right. i play a 6 iron lie angle of 58.5*, while i know the stock lie angle of the rocketbladez tour is 62*...it doesnt matter to me what the stock lie angle is since I order clubs with a lie angle that fits me.

no one, no one should buy clubs right off the rack. you need to get fit and get then made to your specs. so it shouldnt matter that the clubs are upright. so the whole point about TM being maddening makes no sense to me. as does the improper path/strike you talk about. that isnt because of upright clubs, thats because of not getting properly fit.
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I have been fit, not by someone who cares how you are swinging on a lie board, but by someone who understands proper impact, as bph7 has stated above.

[scratchswinger]

I was told today that the new irons would be available at the Kingdom towards the end of December.

[TexMex36]

[quote name='scratchswinger' timestamp='1382755819' post='8059483']
I was told today that the new irons would be available at the Kingdom towards the end of December.
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Now only if we could get some pics before then.

[MorikawaTMAG]

Unfortunately don't have pics but I just talked with my local TMaG rep today and he said taylormade will be releasing a new TP Forged line next year. He said it will probably be released to the public in march but the magazine with the product lines say TBA. More info coming soon... hopefully I can get my hands on these when i go to the kingdom in December!