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I need some equipment advice. I currently game a very old driver, which I am happy with, but want to know if I am short changing myself by not using modern equipment. I have a ft3 tour 9.5 with a speeder 757 tour in X. I find this combo to be long and steaight when hit well, but a touch unforgiving. I am prepared to sacrifice forgiveness for better accuracy, but am I missing out on a total package by going old school?<br />
Don't hold back with any consteuctive advice, tell it how it is.
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  • ldh692002ldh692002 Members  468WRX Points: 70Posts: 468 Greens
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    There are many forgiving drivers out there. The new callaway and the ping g series are very forgiving. Worse you can do is try.<br />
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    Best of luck!
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    Ping G30 LS 9* tour 65X
    Ping Rapture D.I. 18
    Ping G25 3-PW CFS X
    Ping Glide (50,54,58) CFS Wedge
    Ping Anser TR 5
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  • playaplaya Members  8756WRX Points: 282Posts: 8,756 Titanium Tees
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    ldh692002 wrote:
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    There are many forgiving drivers out there. The new callaway and the ping g series are very forgiving. Worse you can do is try.<br />
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    Best of luck!<br />
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    Thanks, but are they also long and accurate? I rate accuracy higher than forgiveness (my home course is very tight and penal so tight dispersion is crucial), but would obviously like both in the same driver.
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  • ldh692002ldh692002 Members  468WRX Points: 70Posts: 468 Greens
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    playa wrote:
    ldh692002 wrote:
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    There are many forgiving drivers out there. The new callaway and the ping g series are very forgiving. Worse you can do is try.<br />
    <br />
    Best of luck!<br />
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    Thanks, but are they also long and accurate? I rate accuracy higher than forgiveness, but would obviously like both in the same driver.
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    The ping is very long, longer than most out there. Try the m2 very long and accurate. The callaway fusion driver is the most forgiving driver out there, while it might not be the longest it is accurate and forgiving.
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    Ping G30 LS 9* tour 65X
    Ping Rapture D.I. 18
    Ping G25 3-PW CFS X
    Ping Glide (50,54,58) CFS Wedge
    Ping Anser TR 5
  • ChomperChomper ClubWRX  1110WRX Points: 103Posts: 1,110 Platinum Tees
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    Long and forgiving, with a low price? Wilson Staff D200. Forgiveness is fantastic!<br />
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    Callaway GBB is long and forgiving also.<br />
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    Bridgestone J815 is the most forgiving driver head, but it spins a little much for me.
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  • MrFlapjackMrFlapjack Members  2637WRX Points: 138Handicap: 3.6Posts: 2,637 Titanium Tees
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    I would say there are gains to be made. If you are a high spin player you could look at something like the Cobra LTD. It would likely be more forgiving than your current driver and quite a bit lower spin. You will get more distance on off center hits as well as face tech has improved. Max forgiveness I would go with maybe the Ping G, M2, or Cobra F6.
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    Cobra LTD HZRDUS 75g 6.5 (Synergy Black 70TX tipped 1/2")
    Ping 2014 Rapture 3W - Blueboard 73x5ct
    Cobra F8 3 hybrid (HZRDUS Black 85 6.5)
    4 Hybrid...
    Srixon Z545 5-AW (SF i110 stiff)
    RTX 3.0 - 54 and 58 (SF i125 stiff)
    Ping Ketsch Mid 
  • playaplaya Members  8756WRX Points: 282Posts: 8,756 Titanium Tees
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    MrFlapjack wrote:
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    I would say there are gains to be made. If you are a high spin player you could look at something like the Cobra LTD. It would likely be more forgiving than your current driver and quite a bit lower spin. You will get more distance on off center hits as well as face tech has improved. Max forgiveness I would go with maybe the Ping G, M2, or Cobra F6.<br />
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    Thanks. From reading reviews and threads here the Cobra LTD is actually the current driver I'm most interested in. I really like heavy low torque shafts, which seem to not be the norm these days. I don't have bags of money so not interested in paying for an upgrade, I want an oldschool boardy stock shaft. What comes stock in the Cobra.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5092WRX Points: 398Posts: 5,092 Titanium Tees
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    Ft3 is a pretty low spin head, although, as you know, there are more forgiving, but still low spin heads out there. The closest thing to what you have, but with mega forgiveness would be TaylorMade M2 imo.
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  • Egan101Egan101 Members  1250WRX Points: 60Posts: 1,250 Bunkers
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    It's a good time to go to your preferred retailer and demo the current crop of drivers. Bring your old and trusty FT3, then compare it against the newer drivers.
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  • morrisminormorrisminor Come back zinc! Come back! Members  206WRX Points: 56Posts: 206 Fairways
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    playa wrote:
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    Am I missing out on a total package by going old school?<br />
    Don't hold back with any consteuctive advice, tell it how it is.<br />
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    Missing out on a touch of distance / forgiveness? Maybe. <br />
    Missing out as far as scores are concerned? Probably not.
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    Ping Rapture 10.5* Aldila NV Protopype 65X
    Taylormade RBZ 15* Aldila NV 75X
    Callaway Steelhead Plus 5W True Temper Bimatrix X
    Mizuno MP-57 4-PW DG X100
    Cleveland 588 RTX 51* DG Wedge
    Mizuno MP T11 55 & 60 DG Wedge
    Odyssey White Hot XG #9

  • carn9698carn9698 carn9698 Members  3255WRX Points: 1Handicap: 7Posts: 3,255 Titanium Tees
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    Try the XR16. It just works so far for me. My old G25 worked as well. The Callaway is longer and for the first time ever I was properly fitted for the shaft. Not the stock XR16 shaft.
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    Adams Speed Line Fast 12 Fairway 17 degrees stock Prolaunch Blue Speedcoat reg spine aligned FLOed 220y
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  • BenjiHoganBenjiHogan Members  216WRX Points: 45Handicap: 5Posts: 216 Bunkers
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    Cobra LTD is a beast, just traded in an m2 for one. Low spin knuckle balls every time you catch it anywhere near the middle ... plus the feel/sound is awesome. I've never experienced a driver being so forgiving, but producing middled sldr like numbers. If you get one I can guarantee you wont be disappointed.<br />
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    Its winter time here now in the UK, but once the ground firms up again I can't wait to see the roll from the drives this thing produces, has the numbers & flight of a ball that'll get a crazy amount of rollout ... this is a new experience for me ... I'm used to seeing my ball sitting within a few yards of where it pitched. <br />
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    FYI ... my ss average is 105, aoa average around zero ... using a standard LTD with stock stiff Rogue set at 10.5.
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  • JonesyJonesy Durban, South AfricaMembers  1598WRX Points: 194Posts: 1,598 Platinum Tees
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    One the most accurate combo's Ive ever hit was a 910D3 with Aldila RIP alpha 60X, not the longest but **** accurate. have a look at that with a heavier shaft. After that I was looking for a combo with the same accuracy and more distance and I came across a RBZ Tour with a fubuki k (I think) 60X and it's definitely longer and still pretty accurate but not as accurate as the 910. Forgiveness wise both of those heads are actually really forgiving. <br />
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    Honestly if you are looking for accuracy and don't mind giving up a few yards you can't beat the 910/Aldila combo... Will be pretty cheap as well.
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    Taylormade RBZ Stage 2 tour 14.5°
    Taylormade Rocketballz tour 18°
    Callaway ApexMB '18 4 - PW
    Vokey SM7 52° + 58°
    Scotty Cameron Newport
  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members  19652WRX Points: 1,705Posts: 19,652 Titanium Tees
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    If you want the most forgiveness you want a head with high MOI, and that means a rearward and low CG. There was a driver head CG study performed a couple years back by a GolfWRX competitor (I'd provide a link but Golfwrx blocks the links) and the Ping G30 and Cobra Fly Z were the most forgiving. You gotta watch the details though because clubs like the Fly Z+ pushed the CG forward to lower spin but the MOI also dropped. Personally, I'd go straight to one of these two heads and then start experimenting with shafts. The newer heads are not any better, just more expensive. People sometimes bash high MOI heads as being high spin but a properly designed rear CG head has the CG near the neutral axis of the head so the spin is not overly high. It may be a little higher than the best low spin head designs, but these heads are not high spin per say.
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    Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver 60S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 5 wood w/Aldila Rogue Black 70S
    Cobra (Lexi blue) F7 Hybrid w/Aldila Kuro Kage 80S
    Ping G410 irons w/Recoil 95S
    Ping Glide 55/60 wedges w/Recoil 110S
    Ping Anser/Arna putter - the "real deal!"
  • 3_Putt_Par3_Putt_Par Somewhere out West.Members  893WRX Points: 75Handicap: 7.6Posts: 893 Golden Tee
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    The Tour 65 and 80 shafts are only a $30 upcharge and they are pretty stout if you choose to go the Ping G route. By far one of the best stock(ish) options available.
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    14.5* Ping G410 LST w/ P9003
    19* Ping G410 3h w/Tensei Pro Blue 80
    22* Ping G410 4h w/ Modus GOST
    5-PW Callaway 2011 Legacy Blacks w/ Modus3 125
    50/12 Ping Glide 3.0 SS w/ Modus3 125
    56/12 Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth w/ Modus3 125
    60/06 Ping Glide 3.0 TS w/ DG TI S200
    TM Spider Tour Black Double Bend
  • playaplaya Members  8756WRX Points: 282Posts: 8,756 Titanium Tees
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    Thanks for all the advice. Sounds like I had better start putting some money away and do some testing. I have seen some g 30s and Cobra fly z/LTDs on the used rack at my local golf store, might give them a test drive next time I'm in there.
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  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf Members  3552WRX Points: 351Handicap: 4Posts: 3,552 Titanium Tees
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    but am I missing out on a total package by going old school?
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    Probably, but not certainly IMO.<br />
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    The issue is that the launch monitor can fool you in stuff like this. Theoretically, yes, you are giving up distance and probably a TON of it. However, your comfort level on the course matters for performance. A while back Lucas Glover won a PGA event with a SQ driver from 2006. He put it back in the bag b/c he really liked it. You might find yourself doing the same. That said, yes, modern drivers have a ton of advantages. A ton. I'd just make sure to buy it from somewhere that has a return policy so you can test the two out on the actual course.<br />
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    I play two sm4s that are banged up as heck. Everything else in my bag is modern (Apex, G30s, etc...). Even though I "know" that an sm6 in the same grind and bounce is "better" than the sm4 objectively, I've had those for so long any other wedge in my hand with any other shaft feels off. You might find its the same, or you might not. I'm sure the newer wedges would generate more spin on trackman or whatever and i should probably buy them, but I feel so good with those sm4s I don't. Same thing with my putter. I've used it since 2008. Its ancient and I think it might be plastic. I got it at academy sports for $9.99 but i've used it for so long I'm not going to change.<br />
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    Unfortunately its like learning to swim. You won't know until you dive in and get on the course. But I *would* try to find a new one b/c the gains can be huge. However, don't be scared to stick to what you know. In the end, the lowest score wins. Its like trust but verify. Experiment, but trust your own feelings about the results and the control you have over the golf ball. Don't let golf digest or whoever brainwash you into getting a new driver, but don't ignore it either. Just try out a ton of them and be honest with yourself about what you like and you'll be fine.<br />
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    I've been told that with my game I'm giving up a lot by not playing newer wedges, but I don't agree. Never, ever let anyone tell you what feels right for you IMO. Get all the data and then make your own decision.
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    Ping G30 9* driver and 17* hybrid TFC-419 stiff
    Bridgestone j40 dpc 3-LW x100
    Fitted Edel
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  • jslane57jslane57 Members  3929WRX Points: 27Handicap: <5Posts: 3,929 Titanium Tees
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    This is a nice club! If it fits. That's the biggest gain since then IMO. Clubs that fit. If you hit it well, I doubt you're loosing much. Bigger issues that impact consistency would be things like: using the same quality ball all the time, and practicing...
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  • hybrid25hybrid25 michiganMembers  1596WRX Points: 179Posts: 1,596 Platinum Tees
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    ldh692002 wrote:
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    There are many forgiving drivers out there. The new callaway and the ping g series are very forgiving. Worse you can do is try.<br />
    <br />
    Best of luck!<br />
    <br />
    I am a 17 handicap so you've got to know I don't hit the center of the driver face all that often. I have the new xr16 driver from Callaway that has turned some off-center hits into some pretty nice drives. It's a very forgiving Club. I also hear good things about the Ping G Series driver.
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  • Albatross85Albatross85 Tiger is the GOAT St. Louis, MOMembers  3033WRX Points: 236Handicap: +2.1Posts: 3,033 Titanium Tees
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    In before MiamiMonkey comes in to rep cobra drivers he's never owned and starts throwing up MOI #'s as gospel.
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  • MrFlapjackMrFlapjack Members  2637WRX Points: 138Handicap: 3.6Posts: 2,637 Titanium Tees
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    playa wrote:
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    MrFlapjack wrote:
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    I would say there are gains to be made. If you are a high spin player you could look at something like the Cobra LTD. It would likely be more forgiving than your current driver and quite a bit lower spin. You will get more distance on off center hits as well as face tech has improved. Max forgiveness I would go with maybe the Ping G, M2, or Cobra F6.<br />
    <br />
    Thanks. From reading reviews and threads here the Cobra LTD is actually the current driver I'm most interested in. I really like heavy low torque shafts, which seem to not be the norm these days. I don't have bags of money so not interested in paying for an upgrade, I want an oldschool boardy stock shaft. What comes stock in the Cobra.<br />
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    Heavy and low torque sounds pretty much like the 75g HZRDUS shaft. It's super tight but not boardy at all. Coupled with the great feel from the LTD head it's a pretty amazing combo. It was a no charge upgrade when the LTD first came out but not sure if it still is. Word of warning though, mine came in at D9 swing weight with the HZRDUS. I will have to check what I ordered it at, I think it was +1/4". I got used to the heavy feel, and maybe that's why it works so well for me too.
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    Cobra LTD HZRDUS 75g 6.5 (Synergy Black 70TX tipped 1/2")
    Ping 2014 Rapture 3W - Blueboard 73x5ct
    Cobra F8 3 hybrid (HZRDUS Black 85 6.5)
    4 Hybrid...
    Srixon Z545 5-AW (SF i110 stiff)
    RTX 3.0 - 54 and 58 (SF i125 stiff)
    Ping Ketsch Mid 
  • 2bGood2bGood Members  5430WRX Points: 637Handicap: 3-8Posts: 5,430 Titanium Tees
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    I thought this would be a marijuana thread.
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  • jslane57jslane57 Members  3929WRX Points: 27Handicap: <5Posts: 3,929 Titanium Tees
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    2bGood wrote:
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    I thought this would be a marijuana thread.<br />
    It very well may be:) Saving money for what? Happy using this club why? LOL.
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  • dciccorittidciccoritti An inch an hour, 2 feet a day Toronto, CanadaMembers  1706WRX Points: 405Posts: 1,706 Platinum Tees
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    My experience with long AND accuracy is Titleist or Cobra. And I've played a couple of PING drivers (along with others) in the past.<br />
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    Again, just my personal on course experience but these two OEM's seem to make drivers that give me the confidence to play tight tree lined fairways while still giving me very good distance.
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  • Roadking_6Roadking_6 Members  2483WRX Points: 81Posts: 2,483 Platinum Tees
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    playa wrote:
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    Thanks for all the advice. Sounds like I had better start putting some money away and do some testing. I have seen some g 30s and Cobra fly z/LTDs on the used rack at my local golf store, might give them a test drive next time I'm in there.<br />
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    This year, I have bagged the G30, Cobra LTD, M1, G LS, Cobra LTD (2nd try with a different shaft) and M2 for at least 2 rounds each. Got the M2 to go against the LTD but there is no competing for me. King LTD is the best driver for me with both Forgiveness and Distance. The longest of the Bunch was the G LS paired with Hzrdus Yellow. The LTD sacrafices a few yards (but by no means short). I am talking 300 vs 320 but it's consistently straighter for me. I just feel like I know where I am going to be at all times. Misses are in the rough. Yes I get tempted to bag the G LS again and pick up the extra distance but my misses were in a different zip code. Get the LTD for a demo. It took time getting the right shaft for me with that head and once I did, it's become automatic for me and driver is the cause of 90% of my golf woes.
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  • Downtown_Brown_41Downtown_Brown_41 AlabamaMembers  668WRX Points: 171Handicap: 4Posts: 668 Golden Tee
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    The LTD is the only thing that could kick the Bio Cell + out for me. I have it paired with an 8m3 @ 44.5" and its point and shoot. Worth every penny
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  • gvogelgvogel Members  8466WRX Points: 1,392Posts: 8,466 Titanium Tees
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    Here is some blunt advice: don't change, or trade in, your FT-3 until you are sure that the new driver is better. And, if that takes months to figure out, so be it.
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  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USAMembers  7355WRX Points: 1,416Handicap: 7Posts: 7,355 Titanium Tees
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    My personal advice: try the King LTD. It is so ridiculously good it's making my fool cheap self considering buying one. I've had on course demo action with the LTD several times, and it's so absurd my friends berate me for not having picked one up yet. <br />
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    Low spin and probably the most forgiving low spin driver out there. I can't believe the results I've gotten from less than stellar hits.<br />
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    Pick one up, try it, if it doesn't blow your hair back, you can always go back to your long term love. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    The Ever Changing Bag!

    Driver:  Cobra King LTD, Aldila ProtoPype 80x, 43.5"
    3w:  Cobra King LTD, Aldila RIP Alpha 80 X, 42"
    3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, DGS400
    3-PW:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300
    GW:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300
    Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34.25"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Professional, or 50 Elite... will trot out Maxfli HT-100 or Elite 90 from time to time

    Sometimes carry 1-SW Golden Ram Tour Grinds w/Dynamic S or 2-PW Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5
    Also sometimes swap in old school woods at top of bag, various Golden Ram, MacGregor, or Orlimar persimmons
  • MrFlapjackMrFlapjack Members  2637WRX Points: 138Handicap: 3.6Posts: 2,637 Titanium Tees
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    gvogel wrote:
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    Here is some blunt advice: don't change, or trade in, your FT-3 until you are sure that the new driver is better. And, if that takes months to figure out, so be it.<br />
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    This x1000....dont' get rid of your gamer until you absolutely know the new stick is in for the long haul!
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    Cobra LTD HZRDUS 75g 6.5 (Synergy Black 70TX tipped 1/2")
    Ping 2014 Rapture 3W - Blueboard 73x5ct
    Cobra F8 3 hybrid (HZRDUS Black 85 6.5)
    4 Hybrid...
    Srixon Z545 5-AW (SF i110 stiff)
    RTX 3.0 - 54 and 58 (SF i125 stiff)
    Ping Ketsch Mid 
  • widow-makerwidow-maker Members  1695WRX Points: 263Handicap: 2.7Posts: 1,695 Platinum Tees
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    There are a lot of good driver heads out there. The trick is to match it up with a shaft that fits you.
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    Just make sure it's filled and rolled tight and you should be good
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