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[erikro]

> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > @erikro said:

> > I picked up a set of TM T 300’s over the weekend. 3-pw with R300 shafts. Minty condition. $80

>

> pics?

>

 

 

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

I passed on the chance to buy a cheap set of the TM Forged 300s a year or two ago. Aren't they supposed to be Miura forged?

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

> @Bigmean said:

> If we are going to throwback...this was the set that got me into blades....cast, hollow 3 and 4 iron, and just oh so awesome. I thought they felt great(They didn't) but what got me hooked was the look at address and How they just felt right...if we are making the cheapest bag possible to game real scores...I choose these to build around.....$40

>

> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-TaylorMade-Tour-Preferred-TD-Irons-3-PW/132982371951?hash=item1ef65df66f:g:N2EAAOSwSsZchBWz

>

>

> That would be a really fun game, to build a $100 or sub bag with a buddy and play them against each other every few rounds betting. You have to keep a ledger and could add and drop clubs as long as the bag total is sub $100....

>

 

I had a set of those, and played some good golf with them. I will say, though, that I did't really find the hollow long irons any easier to hit than blade long irons. But they were nice for tee shots. I remember getting either the 1i or 2i for that very purpose.

 

[Fellaheen51]

> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > @Fellaheen51 said:

> > The once upon a time, all Ram bag: Golden Ram TG Persimmon D, 3, 5. GR TG Axial 3 - PW (Rifle FCM 5.5). TW Scoring System wedges (50*, 55*, 60*). And a Zebra. Don't believe I had $75 total invested. Then I applied the two year rule, and sold everything. (If one doesn't play clubs during that period of time, they're liquidated).

> >

> > Upon viewing the posted pic again........"What the hel(l) was I thinking?".

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>

> What's the difference in lofts between the two pitching wedges? The one hidden between the other wedges looks a bit shorter than the other PW.

 

The Axial PW was 50* IIRC. The TW 50* wedge is shorter, did not have a 1" extension installed as the rest. Didn't play it, was only in the bag for the photo-op.

 

The Axial's were the first set of bladey irons that convinced me "yes I can". To realize the experience of gaming blades (and wood) as a mid-high handicap hacker. To my surprise, they were not that difficult to hit. Keeping in mind that none of this was in my golf consciousness prior to 11/13, when I stumbled into WRX'ville looking for info on an old Ping putter I had found. All that followed is history. Don't really feel the need to own more than one set of practical clubs to play, although I seem to be able to justify any number of stupidly impractical ones.

[erikro]

> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> I passed on the chance to buy a cheap set of the TM Forged 300s a year or two ago. Aren't they supposed to be Miura forged?

 

I think some special editions were but not the retail model.

 

[Nard_S]

> @erikro said:

> > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > I passed on the chance to buy a cheap set of the TM Forged 300s a year or two ago. Aren't they supposed to be Miura forged?

>

> I think some special editions were but not the retail model.

>

 

No, they are all Miura forged. The special edition is the Tom Lehman grind, which has less off set and a boxier toe. You have a great find there at @$80.

 

 

[Christen_The_Sloop]

> @Nard_S said:

> > @erikro said:

> > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > I passed on the chance to buy a cheap set of the TM Forged 300s a year or two ago. Aren't they supposed to be Miura forged?

> >

> > I think some special editions were but not the retail model.

> >

>

> No, they are all Miura forged. The special edition is the Tom Lehman grind, which has less off set and a boxier toe. You have a great find there at @$80.

>

>

 

 

If you look for a little while I think you'll find some were actually made in Mexico. Those went on to the US Market.

[Bigmean]

Nard, i dont believe that is the case.

 

One fast way to tell, so far as I have read on jdm specific golf sites is that Some sets have more of a shiney chrome finish, those are not miura. Others have that miura satin nickel, those are miura. I believe miura did the initial run and then runs after that were elsewhere to save money etc.

 

**I am only stating what is in my head from Internet absorbsion and could be wrong or info I read could be wrong, but it seamed plausible enough when j read it.

[Nard_S]

> @Bigmean said:

> Nard, i dont believe that is the case.

>

> One fast way to tell, so far as I have read on jdm specific golf sites is that Some sets have more of a shiney chrome finish, those are not miura. Others have that miura satin nickel, those are miura. I believe miura did the initial run and then runs after that were elsewhere to save money etc.

>

> **I am only stating what is in my head from Internet absorbsion and could be wrong or info I read could be wrong, but it seamed plausible enough when j read it.

 

What you're saying, was being said about the the TM RAC TP's, I own those, so was intent on finding that out and it was just that, on the TP blades, initial and satin were Miura, then they went to Endo. The 300's (I believe) preceded them and everything I read was that Miura did the whole run, there's a Tour version made for Lehman, those are rare, almost dropped $400 on a set once. It's possible this has happened to both, who knows, but satin RAC TP's are extremely hard to find, I've never seen them for sale. My set is definitely not Miura.

 

[Bigmean]

Yes! That is the set with the satin deal. Ok, my bad there.

 

I did find this, usually these guys are pretty bang on as JDM die Hards,

but still as a history Major in college that could only use preferably refereed resources for papers/anything.....the standard internet astrix need be applied.

 

http://forum.tourspecgolf.com/topic/12480-are-all-taylormade-300-irons-forged-by-miura/

 

 

[Nard_S]

> @Bigmean said:

> Yes! That is the set with the satin deal. Ok, my bad there.

>

> I did find this, usually these guys are pretty bang on as JDM die Hards,

> but still as a history Major in college that could only use preferably refereed resources for papers/anything.....the standard internet astrix need be applied.

>

> http://forum.tourspecgolf.com/topic/12480-are-all-taylormade-300-irons-forged-by-miura/

>

>

 

It would make sense that US retail is NOT Miura, though the list (you linked to) is long on what is. I've come across a number of them with the claim of Miura made. So after a time assumed they all were. It would not have been unprecedented, Macgregor and Founder's used them. My bad. Happy for the correction.

 

What always perplexed me about that TM/Miura relationship is the design. It is all JDM. The 300's the RAC's especially MB TP have that over the top Japanese look to them. Notice the uncanny, albeit refined similarity the CB 57 has to the TM 300? I certainly do. So when that "partnership" ended and so did TM's solid run on irons, imo. My crazy connect the dots theory is that Miura designed those clubs but per contract TM owns them. I know that the Maruman's CX41 was done by the old master himself. Woonsman desired same look of his beloved Dunlop Australians and that Miura did the work. Yet they're still ''Maruman".

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

> @Nard_S said:

> > @bodhi555 said:

> > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

>

> I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

>

>

 

It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

[https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

[Nard_S]

> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> >

> > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> >

> >

>

> It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

 

Good read. I know of a NIB box set of OG's for $650. They're gorgeous but I'm swamped with irons right now.

[LazyLightning22]

> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> >

> > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> >

> >

>

> It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

 

In there it mentions that it's common in the market now to include tungsten plugs. Does that mean most blades from every company have tungsten plugs in them to move the sweet spot?

[Nard_S]

> @LazyLightning22 said:

> > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > >

> > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

>

> In there it mentions that it's common in the market now to include tungsten plugs. Does that mean most blades from every company have tungsten plugs in them to move the sweet spot?

 

Not really. The ones that do tout it, the Mizuno Mp-5 has it, Cobra MB's have it. P730's, Callaway MB, Titleist MB, MP-18, pretty sure those do not. So you need to seek it out.

 

 

[LazyLightning22]

> @Nard_S said:

> > @LazyLightning22 said:

> > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > >

> > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> >

> > In there it mentions that it's common in the market now to include tungsten plugs. Does that mean most blades from every company have tungsten plugs in them to move the sweet spot?

>

> Not really. The ones that do tout it, the Mizuno Mp-5 has it, Cobra MB's have it. P730's, Callaway MB, Titleist MB, MP-18, pretty sure those do not. So you need to seek it out.

>

>

 

Gotcha that makes sense. It seems like something that would be pretty unique to be offered to the masses.

[Bigmean]

 

 

> @Nard_S said:

> > @Bigmean said:

> > Yes! That is the set with the satin deal. Ok, my bad there.

> >

> > I did find this, usually these guys are pretty bang on as JDM die Hards,

> > but still as a history Major in college that could only use preferably refereed resources for papers/anything.....the standard internet astrix need be applied.

> >

> > http://forum.tourspecgolf.com/topic/12480-are-all-taylormade-300-irons-forged-by-miura/

> >

> >

>

> It would make sense that US retail is NOT Miura, though the list (you linked to) is long on what is. I've come across a number of them with the claim of Miura made. So after a time assumed they all were. It would not have been unprecedented, Macgregor and Founder's used them. My bad. Happy for the correction.

>

> What always perplexed me about that TM/Miura relationship is the design. It is all JDM. The 300's the RAC's especially MB TP have that over the top Japanese look to them. Notice the uncanny, albeit refined similarity the CB 57 has to the TM 300? I certainly do. So when that "partnership" ended and so did TM's solid run on irons, imo. My crazy connect the dots theory is that Miura designed those clubs but per contract TM owns them. I know that the Maruman's CX41 was done by the old master himself. Woonsman desired same look of his beloved Dunlop Australians and that Miura did the work. Yet they're still ''Maruman".

 

Soooo funny. So last night in just playing looking around, I was struck with the SAME thoughts on all these irons and the similar design concept and how it is clear that this was a design that was thought to be worth continually persuing across years, and models. Now I am not familiar with the old marumans but I will have a look. I am guessing based on what you are saying that there are same design concept miura marumans super cheap in Japan used.

 

I love tangents like this, random obscure knowledge is thes best lol...all this is really

Proving is that you could not just have a gamer bag for $200, you could game a freaking miura bag for $200!!

 

Speaking of, my onoff MB’s are net sub $180 to me after selling the shafts on eBay last week......now the copper and attas shafts are making these quite an expensive set, but the super low starting point made the other parts of equation possible. Copper supposed to be done next week. I am a little nervous as I don’t know this plater, fingers crossed really hard that these come out looking like I am expecting for the coin.....

[Kingcat990]

> @Nard_S said:

> > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > >

> > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

>

> I'm swamped with irons right now.

 

Okay Mrs. Nard, please hand the keyboard back to Mr. Nard as he would never believe he has too many irons

[NRJyzr]

> @Kingcat990 said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > >

> > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> >

> > I'm swamped with irons right now.

>

> Okay Mrs. Nard, please hand the keyboard back to Mr. Nard as he would never believe he has too many irons

 

 

 

Well played, 'Cat. {tip cap}

[Bigmean]

 

> @Kingcat990 said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > >

> > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> >

> > I'm swamped with irons right now.

>

> Okay Mrs. Nard, please hand the keyboard back to Mr. Nard as he would never believe he has too many irons

 

Awesome...

 

[Christen_The_Sloop]

 

> Soooo funny. So last night in just playing looking around, I was struck with the SAME thoughts on all these irons and the similar design concept and how it is clear that this was a design that was thought to be worth continually persuing across years, and models. Now I am not familiar with the old marumans but I will have a look. I am guessing based on what you are saying that there are same design concept miura marumans super cheap in Japan used.

>

> I love tangents like this, random obscure knowledge is thes best lol...all this is really

> Proving is that you could not just have a gamer bag for $200, you could game a freaking miura bag for $200!!

 

Miura used to do a heck of a lot more in Japan for OEMs than most people know. Macgregor has got to have about 10 designs, There were 3 or 4 TMs, PRGR a few, Bridgestones a lot, ONOFF I don't know how many, Maruman a lot, Titleist around 3 models and Mizuno even (though, now there complicated stuff is done by Endo, think I read on Golfspy). For Mizuno the most obvious is the MS211, but I've read in a few places that even the TN87 were done by Miura, thus the exorbitant original price (over $2,000 in 1987). The craziest set of Miura forged I have is the Proisme Blade (shafted up with godawful TT R400 and 2-SW). They are blinged out nickel chrome and supposedly the CEO of Bridgestone at the time wanted to make the most expensive set possible.

 

Unfortunately, a lot of the designs were utterly reprehensible with the offset. They may have wonderful balance and finish, but they look deformed, sadly. This is true of the Proisme to a degree as well as the Macgregor R58 and of course the TN87 has more than a little. I've looked at a lot of pictures and been tempted by Massy Kuramoto Bridgstone's but they, as beautiful as they appear are just not immune. The best of the designs from the late 80s early 90s has to be the Founders 200 series, Maruman Pro Models and the ONOFFs look crazy good. But, if you really really care about any of this, you should probably just get the real thing.

 

 

[bodhi555]

> @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> >

> > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> >

> >

>

> It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

 

Great article, however I am not entirely convinced that the tungsten didn't make it to the retail release, as I distinctly remember the circular cutout in the marketing material for the plug, just can't find any proof lol :lol:

 

What I find most interesting in the article is the comment about Tiger finding an old set of Hogan's and wanting something similar - I was always struck by how similar my Nikes felt to my friends old Hogan's - makes sense now.

[revanant]

> @bodhi555 said:

> > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > >

> > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

>

> Great article, however I am not entirely convinced that the tungsten didn't make it to the retail release, as I distinctly remember the circular cutout in the marketing material for the plug, just can't find any proof lol :lol:

>

> What I find most interesting in the article is the comment about Tiger finding an old set of Hogan's and wanting something similar - I was always struck by how similar my Nikes felt to my friends old Hogan's - makes sense now.

 

I also thought the Hogan reference was interesting. I wonder which iron he used as a model.

 

One thing I'm really surprised about is how close the feel and shape of the Redlines are to the current Callaway Apex MB. Ball flight is very different due to the Apex 4 shafts and weak lofts, but if I went solely on feel, I'd have a ton of trouble telling them apart. The Apex MB definitely is making use of that Hogan IP, I think. : )

[NRJyzr]

> @revanant said:

> > @bodhi555 said:

> > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > >

> > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> >

> > Great article, however I am not entirely convinced that the tungsten didn't make it to the retail release, as I distinctly remember the circular cutout in the marketing material for the plug, just can't find any proof lol :lol:

> >

> > What I find most interesting in the article is the comment about Tiger finding an old set of Hogan's and wanting something similar - I was always struck by how similar my Nikes felt to my friends old Hogan's - makes sense now.

>

> I also thought the Hogan reference was interesting. I wonder which iron he used as a model.

>

> One thing I'm really surprised about is how close the feel and shape of the Redlines are to the current Callaway Apex MB. Ball flight is very different due to the Apex 4 shafts and weak lofts, but if I went solely on feel, I'd have a ton of trouble telling them apart. The Apex MB definitely is making use of that Hogan IP, I think. : )

 

 

 

FWIW, I went and checked the transcript of the Larry Bobka interview where he mentioned the Hogans, and the specific model Tiger was hitting wasn't identified. Only that they were "really old Hogan Apex." And that Tiger loved them.

 

I've heard it suggested they were Apex II, but that could be the same sort of story that gave us the Mizuno legend that was debunked by this same interview. Which brings me to....

 

The 681s they made for Tiger were based off the old Box Blades. Kind of a bonus repeat comment (it's probably in this thread somewhere, LOL).

[Nard_S]

> @Bigmean said:

> Proving is that you could not just have a gamer bag for $200, you could game a freaking miura bag for $200!!

Can attest Maruman 31CX, 41CX & Curtis Starnge CS-1 are positively Miura. I have all 3 and they are hard to find but can be had at good prices. At some point, post 2000(?) Maruman went with Endo.

 

 

[Nard_S]

> @Kingcat990 said:

> > @Nard_S said:

> > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > >

> > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> >

> > I'm swamped with irons right now.

>

> Okay Mrs. Nard, please hand the keyboard back to Mr. Nard as he would never believe he has too many irons

 

Haha! That's menstrating Mrs. Nard, same place has Seve commemorative blades, beautiful butter knives w/ X100 shafts. NIB. My panties are in a bunch over those.

[Nard_S]

> @NRJyzr said:

> > @revanant said:

> > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> > >

> > > Great article, however I am not entirely convinced that the tungsten didn't make it to the retail release, as I distinctly remember the circular cutout in the marketing material for the plug, just can't find any proof lol :lol:

> > >

> > > What I find most interesting in the article is the comment about Tiger finding an old set of Hogan's and wanting something similar - I was always struck by how similar my Nikes felt to my friends old Hogan's - makes sense now.

> >

> > I also thought the Hogan reference was interesting. I wonder which iron he used as a model.

> >

> > One thing I'm really surprised about is how close the feel and shape of the Redlines are to the current Callaway Apex MB. Ball flight is very different due to the Apex 4 shafts and weak lofts, but if I went solely on feel, I'd have a ton of trouble telling them apart. The Apex MB definitely is making use of that Hogan IP, I think. : )

>

>

>

> FWIW, I went and checked the transcript of the Larry Bobka interview where he mentioned the Hogans, and the specific model Tiger was hitting wasn't identified. Only that they were "really old Hogan Apex." And that Tiger loved them.

>

> I've heard it suggested they were Apex II, but that could be the same sort of story that gave us the Mizuno legend that was debunked by this same interview. Which brings me to....

>

> The 681s they made for Tiger were based off the old Box Blades. Kind of a bonus repeat comment (it's probably in this thread somewhere, LOL).

 

I may have this wrong but did Bobka say that Lanny Wadkins gave him the irons to tryout? My guess? They were the 92 Fort Worth's Why? The weighting and high muscle is similar to 681 yet for the most part all Hogan's are somewhat this way. But the 92's are somewhat on the extreme end of spectrum though.

[NRJyzr]

> @Nard_S said:

> > @NRJyzr said:

> > > @revanant said:

> > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> > > >

> > > > Great article, however I am not entirely convinced that the tungsten didn't make it to the retail release, as I distinctly remember the circular cutout in the marketing material for the plug, just can't find any proof lol :lol:

> > > >

> > > > What I find most interesting in the article is the comment about Tiger finding an old set of Hogan's and wanting something similar - I was always struck by how similar my Nikes felt to my friends old Hogan's - makes sense now.

> > >

> > > I also thought the Hogan reference was interesting. I wonder which iron he used as a model.

> > >

> > > One thing I'm really surprised about is how close the feel and shape of the Redlines are to the current Callaway Apex MB. Ball flight is very different due to the Apex 4 shafts and weak lofts, but if I went solely on feel, I'd have a ton of trouble telling them apart. The Apex MB definitely is making use of that Hogan IP, I think. : )

> >

> >

> >

> > FWIW, I went and checked the transcript of the Larry Bobka interview where he mentioned the Hogans, and the specific model Tiger was hitting wasn't identified. Only that they were "really old Hogan Apex." And that Tiger loved them.

> >

> > I've heard it suggested they were Apex II, but that could be the same sort of story that gave us the Mizuno legend that was debunked by this same interview. Which brings me to....

> >

> > The 681s they made for Tiger were based off the old Box Blades. Kind of a bonus repeat comment (it's probably in this thread somewhere, LOL).

>

> I may have this wrong but did Bobka say that Lanny Wadkins gave him the irons to tryout? My guess? They were the 92 Fort Worth's Why? The weighting and high muscle is similar to 681 yet for the most part all Hogan's are somewhat this way. But the 92's are somewhat on the extreme end of spectrum though.

 

 

What they took from the Hogan's was bounce and the offset, or so I'm remembering from the transcripted interview. Don't think it mentioned who provided them, but I only skimmed it this time.

 

The muscle was probably adapted from the box blades and Tiger's preferences. I've mentioned how the 681 we're almost identical to the Palmer Standards; the box blades Tour Models also looked to be a close copy of the Palmers. All the same lineage, apparently. :)

[Kingcat990]

> @Nard_S said:

> > @Kingcat990 said:

> > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > @No_Catchy_Nickname said:

> > > > > @Nard_S said:

> > > > > > @bodhi555 said:

> > > > > > I am 100% certain the OG's had the Tungsten plug also - not quite in the centre of the face as in the TM models, but closer to the toe to move the sweet spot a bit more centrally. Finding any marketing material online for a club released in 2001 is proving difficult, but I am pretty sure the plugs featured even back then.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm basing what I said on a press release for the VR's that I read, they might have done it on the OG's but that's the first I heard them talk about it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > It seems that Tiger's OG blades had tungsten plugs, but they weren't in the retail models. Nike included the plugs in the retail models of the VRs. Long, but good read (info about the irons is quite far down):

> > > > [https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html](https://www.pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html "https://pgatour.com/long-form/2019/04/09/golf-clubs-equipment-through-the-years-driver-nike-tiger-woods-history-augusta-national-masters-tournament.html")

> > >

> > > I'm swamped with irons right now.

> >

> > Okay Mrs. Nard, please hand the keyboard back to Mr. Nard as he would never believe he has too many irons

>

> Haha! That's menstrating Mrs. Nard, same place has Seve commemorative blades, beautiful butter knives w/ X100 shafts. NIB. My panties are in a bunch over those.

 

I hear you man. I hear you. My wife is semi-supportive of this habit I have. I haven't purchased a set of clubs in awhile for a project, but I have these 2 on my radar I've had my eyes on for weeks. She used to help me decide, now she just rolls her eyes. I fear my supportive spouse may be my new pit viper. Always wanted a real boxy toed set of irons, was dead set on making those into a project until I came across the other set.

 

 

 

[xGameOver]

What do you think is the best blades from 2010-2016 time frame?