Blade users thread (NO DEBATING CLUBHEADS! NO Buy Sell Trade!)

[Nard_S]

1 hour ago, DeNinny said:

Their construction is from durable and quality materials.

I hear you. My Mizuno Type I is all Ti. The TSi series is all Ti and I'm looking at those for new metals pretty soon. Multi materials make me cringe, they just do.

[DeNinny]

2 hours ago, Nard_S said:

I hear you. My Mizuno Type I is all Ti. The TSi series is all Ti and I'm looking at those for new metals pretty soon. Multi materials make me cringe, they just do.

Multi materials make me cringe too!  There are a few technical issues with it as compared to one overall material.

 

First of all, at some level, two different objects never perfectly "mate" together as compared to the case when they are simply one object of one material.  When they are two different objects, even if their touching surfaces are "flat" against each other, at the microscopic down to the molecular level, there are actually voids in literal space and imperfect contact between the two.  The two objects are like two puzzle pieces that don't fit together down at this level.

 

And then when you consider the case when these two materials temporarily deform from, say, the forces of impact from colliding with a golf ball, those imperfect voids allow those two materials to "slip" and "slide" relative to each other since they must undergo their own individual deformations.  Compare this to a single solid material.  In this case there's absolutely zero slip since it is a single object.  Ultimately that imperfect union creates uneven and inconsistent movements.  It's fundamentally weaker from a structural stability standpoint.

 

And so then to solve this problem an additional third material needs to be introduced which, in the case of the modern driver and wood, is the glue adhesive that connects the carbon fiber to that of the titanium alloy.  And again, even though the glue physically holds the two materials together, if you zoom in close enough to where the glue and other material make contact, there will still be imperfections.  Granted, there will not be much slip if it is a good glue joint, there is still more movement and less structural stability with now this three material structure as compared to the case of a solid singular material.  If it doesn't affect performance to an appreciable degree, it's still going to affect feel.

 

And also the other issue with adding glue is now it's an additional point of failure.  If that glue cracks under the forces of impact, the entire club and all its supposed "technology" is rendered useless.  That wouldn't happen at all if the clubhead was a single material.

 

Furthermore, glue and carbon fiber are literally more brittle than metal.  Titanium and steel can undergo huge forces by comparison and they will temporarily deform but then return to their original shape over and over again reliably.  But on the other hand, glue and carbon fiber fatigue easier and reach the point of permanent deformation earlier from those same forces.

 

I could probably go into even more details on the issues of multiple clubhead material, but these are just a few reasons they make me cringe.

Edited April 4, 2021 by DeNinny

[mgoblue83]

Finished building my Sub70 649 MB Tours (Raw) and they are fantastic. Easily the softest and best feeling club I've ever hit. I'm coming from Scratch SB-1s, and have played blades my whole life. I knew they were going to be the real deal when I adjusted the lofts and lies. I've never felt anything bend so easy - barely nudge the bar and it moves without any bounce back.

[Nard_S]

8 minutes ago, DeNinny said:

 

Furthermore, glue and carbon fiber are literally more brittle that metal.  Titanium and steel can undergo huge forces by comparison and they will temporarily deform but then return to their original shape over and over again reliably. 

 

I was talking with a bike shop owner some time ago. My kid's bike needed a new tube and I was there and we started talking about the $5K bikes on the rack. His personal ride was from a Tour de France winner some 20 years ago. He sells aluminum and carbon fiber multi-material units all the time but he refuses to own them himself. His old ride is chromoly steel. He says multi's are brittle, they will fail while the steel framed bikes last forever. Whenever I see composite heads, I think of him. I'm not against it's use and on some level driver's are disposable and graphite shafts probably have a shelf life too but I remain partial to all Ti construction. 

[craz-e]

29 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:

Finished building my Sub70 649 MB Tours (Raw) and they are fantastic. Easily the softest and best feeling club I've ever hit. I'm coming from Scratch SB-1s, and have played blades my whole life. I knew they were going to be the real deal when I adjusted the lofts and lies. I've never felt anything bend so easy - barely nudge the bar and it moves without any bounce back.

SB-1’s are no slouch in the feel department either!

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

10 hours ago, Nard_S said:

I've heard good things about V-Steel, have never even seen one. I have two R510 TP's . True "blade" of big Ti. When you lock into it, it's a real fun club.

I've got four (well, strictly speaking five because I've got two 9w). The 7w has a regular spot in my bag, and I use one of the 9w sometimes when my hybrid is not behaving. The 4w gets an occasional outing when my regular 4w is being naughty, and the T/S is dust-gatherer. 

[Fellaheen51]

8 hours ago, DeNinny said:

Multi materials make me cringe too!  There are a few technical issues with it as compared to one overall material.

 

Furthermore, glue and carbon fiber are literally more brittle than metal.  Titanium and steel can undergo huge forces by comparison and they will temporarily deform but then return to their original shape over and over again reliably.  But on the other hand, glue and carbon fiber fatigue easier and reach the point of permanent deformation earlier from those same forces.

 

8 hours ago, Nard_S said:

 

I was talking with a bike shop owner some time ago. My kid's bike needed a new tube and I was there and we started talking about the $5K bikes on the rack. His personal ride was from a Tour de France winner some 20 years ago. He sells aluminum and carbon fiber multi-material units all the time but he refuses to own them himself. His old ride is chromoly steel. He says multi's are brittle, they will fail while the steel framed bikes last forever. Whenever I see composite heads, I think of him. I'm not against it's use and on some level driver's are disposable and graphite shafts probably have a shelf life too but I remain partial to all Ti construction. 

 

I'll leave it to the material engineers to analyze design and failure rates.  However, ever since the Mrs. shattered the crown of her multi-material driver with one low speed swing, I've been suspicious of long term reliability.  Suppose any club could fail, but with differing materials glued together, seemed like the probability is increased.  What's the purpose other than to manufacture ever lighter club heads in pursuit of distance?  IDK.  Give me solid metal construct and I'll likely still be utilizing the club 15 years from now.  If I choose to. 

 

The proprietor of the LBS is right.  Carbon is the frame material of choice for the Strava crowd.  Those who obsess over minimizing weight, maximizing speed, bragging with the pack.  However, for the rest of us mere mortals, cannot beat the strength and longevity of a double-butted chromoly steel frame and fork.  And for a larger rider such as myself, it's a no-brainer.  Been into the bike shop several times of late, thinking about upgrading (stimulus funds).   Only to discover new bikes are no where to be found.  The alternative course of action is to continue modifying my now ~30 year old steel MTB to a more relaxed street and trail bike.  I'm getting older, can't thrash it around as I once did.  Currently at the bike shop getting new cables installed after adding a riser bar and different stem.  And all the bearings greased.  With maintenance and selective upgrading, likely last another 30 years.  Steel is real.  

 

 

Find it ironic that TM has reintroduced the V-Sole in their fairways.  And the accompanying marketing hyperbole.  No thanks, not at $400 per (!!!).  These seem to work OK, for a golfer of modest abilities such as myself.  As someone who struggles with hybrid consistency, the 9 wood is accurate and reliable.  Not that dissimilar in size to the larger hybrids that are currently a thing (and stupid $$).  The 5 has become the fairway of choice, the added loft being beneficial from a variety of lies (i.e. rough).  Sacrificing a bit of distance, but ball goes straight.  Bagging 5w (18*), 9w (24*), 6 iron (30*) seems to gap OK.  Steel is real.  

 

 

Please excuse the tangent and return to the blade discussion.  '99 Hogan MB's with 950 R's are a good synergy for my capabilities and really the only MB implements required.    

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

27 minutes ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

 

I'll leave it to the material engineers to analyze design and failure rates.  However, ever since the Mrs. shattered the crown of her multi-material driver with one low speed swing, I've been suspicious of long term reliability.  Suppose any club could fail, but with differing materials glued together, seemed like the probability is increased.  What's the purpose other than to manufacture ever lighter club heads in pursuit of distance?  IDK.  Give me solid metal construct and I'll likely still be utilizing the club 15 years from now.  If I choose to. 

 

The proprietor of the LBS is right.  Carbon is the frame material of choice for the Strava crowd.  Those who obsess over minimizing weight, maximizing speed, bragging with the pack.  However, for the rest of us mere mortals, cannot beat the strength and longevity of a double-butted chromoly steel frame and fork.  And for a larger rider such as myself, it's a no-brainer.  Been into the bike shop several times of late, thinking about upgrading (stimulus funds).   Only to discover new bikes are no where to be found.  The alternative course of action is to continue modifying my now ~30 year old steel MTB to a more relaxed street and trail bike.  I'm getting older, can't thrash it around as I once did.  Currently at the bike shop getting new cables installed after adding a riser bar and different stem.  And all the bearings greased.  With maintenance and selective upgrading, likely last another 30 years.  Steel is real.  

 

 

Find it ironic that TM has reintroduced the V-Sole in their fairways.  And the accompanying marketing hyperbole.  No thanks, not at $400 per (!!!).  These seem to work OK, for a golfer of modest abilities such as myself.  As someone who struggles with hybrid consistency, the 9 wood is accurate and reliable.  Not that dissimilar in size to the larger hybrids that are currently a thing (and stupid $$).  The 5 has become the fairway of choice, the added loft being beneficial from a variety of lies (i.e. rough).  Sacrificing a bit of distance, but ball goes straight.  Bagging 5w (18*), 9w (24*), 6 iron (30*) seems to gap OK.  Steel is real.  

 

 

Please excuse the tangent and return to the blade discussion.  '99 Hogan MB's with 950 R's are a good synergy for my capabilities and really the only MB implements required.    

 

Nice lineup of V-steels there. The 3w has clearly seen some service.

 

Now on the subject of blades, I'm really enjoying the Srxion Pro-100s in my modern bag. Such a great, dense feel to them.

[NRJyzr]

2 hours ago, Fellaheen51 said:

What's the purpose other than to manufacture ever lighter club heads in pursuit of distance?

 

They're chasing CG manipulation.  Spin is reduced by moving the CG forward, or down.  MOI is increased by moving the CG back.  If you can create a CG that is both low and back, you get lower spin with higher MOI.

 

Hence, carbon crowns, trying to move the CG lower than it otherwise would be.  

 

Edited April 4, 2021 by NRJyzr

[Nard_S]

Love the #4W representation. I'm pretty sold on going 10*, 16* & 21* on next set of metals. Stimulus $$ pays it, lol. I've heard that modern clubs are made to withstand 10K of strikes before fatigue & failure can come in to play. I suspect it's really 5K. Even in all Ti, if you buy a used one, they seem to get long then go dead at some point. I cracked my 1st 460cc. It was an R7 SQ. It was a bomber, then went "clunk". They push the envelope with this stuff. I've owned two Mizuno's, a 650 & Type I, brand new. On both, there's a sweetness, a "ting" that disappears over time even though they perform just fine. They are all Ti, so thank goodness for one piece forged irons, the stuff lasts forever.

[DeNinny]

7 hours ago, Fellaheen51 said:

 

 

I'll leave it to the material engineers to analyze design and failure rates.  However, ever since the Mrs. shattered the crown of her multi-material driver with one low speed swing, I've been suspicious of long term reliability.  Suppose any club could fail, but with differing materials glued together, seemed like the probability is increased.  What's the purpose other than to manufacture ever lighter club heads in pursuit of distance?  IDK.  Give me solid metal construct and I'll likely still be utilizing the club 15 years from now.  If I choose to. 

 

The proprietor of the LBS is right.  Carbon is the frame material of choice for the Strava crowd.  Those who obsess over minimizing weight, maximizing speed, bragging with the pack.  However, for the rest of us mere mortals, cannot beat the strength and longevity of a double-butted chromoly steel frame and fork.  And for a larger rider such as myself, it's a no-brainer.  Been into the bike shop several times of late, thinking about upgrading (stimulus funds).   Only to discover new bikes are no where to be found.  The alternative course of action is to continue modifying my now ~30 year old steel MTB to a more relaxed street and trail bike.  I'm getting older, can't thrash it around as I once did.  Currently at the bike shop getting new cables installed after adding a riser bar and different stem.  And all the bearings greased.  With maintenance and selective upgrading, likely last another 30 years.  Steel is real.  

 

 

Find it ironic that TM has reintroduced the V-Sole in their fairways.  And the accompanying marketing hyperbole.  No thanks, not at $400 per (!!!).  These seem to work OK, for a golfer of modest abilities such as myself.  As someone who struggles with hybrid consistency, the 9 wood is accurate and reliable.  Not that dissimilar in size to the larger hybrids that are currently a thing (and stupid $$).  The 5 has become the fairway of choice, the added loft being beneficial from a variety of lies (i.e. rough).  Sacrificing a bit of distance, but ball goes straight.  Bagging 5w (18*), 9w (24*), 6 iron (30*) seems to gap OK.  Steel is real.  

 

 

Please excuse the tangent and return to the blade discussion.  '99 Hogan MB's with 950 R's are a good synergy for my capabilities and really the only MB implements required.    

At my work there are a group of us engineers that are either golfers or mountain bikers and we get into tech discussions about the equipment all the time.  And yes they all make the same comments about the durability of steel frames.

 

😍😍😍 Wow that is a beautiful stable of V-Steels!  I have my Exotics CB2s and TM R5 Duals down to 7w.  I call them my "long wedges".  And 7w is the only hybrid I've ever needed.  Such a reliable and stupid easy club to hit.  So I can imagine a 9w would be just as easy.  I've never thought hybrids brought anything to the table more than the shorter woods.  I can hit them but would rather hit woods.  And although I still love my long irons I would just love to have a consistent set of 9w to 3w V-Steels.  Just for the options and because they are simply a masterpiece club.  Thanks for the pic to make me drool. 🤤

 

[lefthack]

Pre-order placed.

 

<edit> just got a message from the owner, he didn't know his admin had made it live until he saw my order. I just decided to check and saw it was there. 🤣

 

Also the landing page is broken, but the order went through. So maybe it isn't supposed to be live yet. But I got first dibs.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by lefthack

[DeNinny]

As I went 39-39 today in 15 mph wind, I couldn't help but think about a recent WRX reply to me for playing my Porn Stars.  He called me a masochist for it.  LMFAO even with two nasty miss hits with them today, he couldn't be farther from the truth.  For the most part they just flat out performed and felt fantastic.  As usual.  

 

Also as I hit some great long irons today, I realized that I could correct my pulls from last week.  So again I wanna thank my blades brother @NRJyzr for pointing out that switching to lighter shafts can throw your swing rhythm off.  As compared to last week I smoothed out my tempo just a tad and stayed relaxed through the hit and I hit two great 4is that just felt soooo sweet.  I did hit two pulls, a fat 5i and a dead pull and hook 6i that was saved from OB by a tree.  But other than these two shots it was a great day with the babies.  Masochist?  Nah.  I'm a spoiled brat with my irons.  Spoiled rotten.  😝

[NRJyzr]

Been playing my MP37 set after the first two rounds of the year, when I realized a bit more static weight would be a good thing.  The NV105 shafted set were feeling a bit light, and I haven't adjusted them yet.

 

They've been performing fairly well.  I've actually been seeing a lower trajectory, as they're intended to provide.  It's been good in some of the winds we've been seeing.

 

A fun note about the 37s...  I've joined my course's men's club this year.  They don't use the Condition of Competition, but considering all the older sets I play, I thought it possible some self appointed rules lawyer might try to complain.

 

And, what if I like playing in the men's club, and stick with it to 2024, when the grandfather period runs out on the groove rule?

 

Well, we've seen it posted on WRX that Mizuno says their MP iron sets were all made with grooves that conform to the 2010 rule.  I decided to do a bit of research.  Fired up the USGA conforming equipment database.  Yep, turns out the 37s are listed there, conforming to the 2010 rule.

 

The 32s and 33s also are conforming.  How about that?

 

I expect if they were to be examined, the MP11/MS11 would also conform, they are listed as having V Grooves in the official Mizuno specs I received from Mizuno USA.  No one has apparently sent them in.

 

I own a few sets that predate square groove versions of the Eye2, I would think they should be fine, also.

 

Another motivation is selecting sets for the graphite re-fit.  Don't want to reshaft a set only to find some overzealous type causing a ruckus.  I tend to like ruckus avoidance.  LOL

 

A bit of groove rule stream of consciousness as we babysit the granddaughter.  ☺️

 

[Nard_S]

Played 13 today, foul weather, old bones & Sunday Masters dictated that. Did okay, 42 for nine w/ a nice bird on a upwind 190 Par 3. The surprise is the metals did well and irons were iffier. Range suggested otherwise but, I'll take that because the tee ball has been the bane of game. I hit driver 4X, 2 were awful duck hooks, 2 were split the fairway bombs. The difference? How I throw hands from top to P6, that's it. Not so much direction but the rotation.  I like the pop of swing despite the cobwebs. Joy to play again and see some friends too. Best Sunday of year for me. 

[DeNinny]

Brother @Nard_S nice birdie!  

 

As for myself I was extremely bipolar today.  Shot an awesome 38 followed by a horrible 49.  On a good note, I treated it like a practice round since the greens were still recovering from aeration.  My swing just fell apart.  😭

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

I played on Sunday. The course is one of the better ones around here, but they'd punched the greens recently, and they were still pretty bumpy. I was bagging my Srixon Pro-100s again as I've really taken to these irons. So nice to hit. I also swapped out my usual Cleveland RTX 4 Forged wedges for a Tad Moore Maxfli 53* and an old MD2 T-Grind 58*. I really like that Maxfli wedge.

 

I shot 39 on the front nine with 7 GiR and 19 putts. 43 on the second nine with 5 GiR and 21 putts.

 

I'd like to blame the greens, but really it's just me. My long range putting is pretty good. I had two putts of over 40ft yesterday, one was close to 60ft after I pulled a 9i on  a par three. The putt was slicing across the green and downhill; I almost holed it and was left with a tap-in. The other was about 50ft and pretty much straight up hill. I hit it to within two feet, perfect weight but I was expecting a little right to left break at the end which wasn't there.

 

It's the medium putting that really kills me, followed by short putts. I three-putted twice from around 15ft and another 3 or four times from 20~25ft. I get the weight wrong on these putts, then misread the breaks on the short putts 4'~6' that I'm left with. What's worse is that I either read break that isn't there or miss break that is there. A sort of two-way miss in putting.

 

Shot of the day was a recovery 6i. Long par 5, I hit a perfect drive down the middle. I decided to layup with a hybrid, trying to cut the ball a little around a tree that someone had thoughtfully left in the middle of the fairway (why, course designer, WHY?), but I hooked it a little instead, and the ball rolled off the fairway, over the cart path and disappeared down a steep bank. 

I found it caught up in the grass on the slope, about 100 yards from the flag. I had to draw the ball around a tree, and also keep it low enough from hitting the branches, while also hitting it high enough to get over the bank, and all this with a ball way above my feet. Oh, did I mention it was also a completely blind shot.

I hit a half-six iron to keep it low, made pretty decent contact, and watched the ball curl around the tree. After scrambling up the bank, I saw a ball sitting on the green about 6'~7' from the flag. As my playing partners were still hitting into the green, I realised it was mine! 

Obviously, I missed the birdie putt. It wasn't even close. The putt looked straight to me. It wasn't.

 

Oh yeah, it was a 6-hour round, and both my playing partners shot over 130. I think that's one reason why I fell away a bit on the back nine.

Edited April 12, 2021 by No_Catchy_Nickname

[NRJyzr]

Mentioned the Men's Club, had my first event as part of that group this weekend.  Two man better ball, with a blind draw partner; my partner happened to be someone I know.

 

Had an up and down round, but finished with a good score.  Two birdies in first four holes, three doubles on holes 6 through 10.  Four straight good birdie chances that were missed, followed by hitting an 8i to 2 feet on the lone par 5 on the back nine and making the putt.  Then limped in with two bogies in last three holes for a 77. 

 

A certain amount of "what could have been" in my head.  I failed to get down in two from fringe three times, accounting for two of my doubles.  

 

Men's Club has skins, both gross and net.  I participated in both.  Turns out no one else birdied that par 5 (three shot hole with three or four bits of water and OB right), so I won a skin, both gross and net.  Nice bonus for my first event.  😊

 

I'm still running about a club short with iron distance so far this season, but it's better than the two clubs short that I was in my first two rounds.  I've adapted so far.  Hoping it comes back.  LOL

 

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

3 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

A certain amount of "what could have been" in my head.  I failed to get down in two from fringe three times, accounting for two of my doubles.  

 

 

I do that all too frequently, and it is incredibly frustrating.

 

Recently, I've been giving far too many shots away on and around the green. It's something I did as a Junior, and it's disappointing to know that I still can't chip or putt for toffee.

[NRJyzr]

20 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

I do that all too frequently, and it is incredibly frustrating.

 

Recently, I've been giving far too many shots away on and around the green. It's something I did as a Junior, and it's disappointing to know that I still can't chip or putt for toffee.

 

I normally chip from fringe, but in these three instances, I used the putter.  Hate putting through fringe, because I'm not good at it.  I guess I demonstrated that rather well.

[Christen_The_Sloop]

18 minutes ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

I do that all too frequently, and it is incredibly frustrating.

 

Recently, I've been giving far too many shots away on and around the green. It's something I did as a Junior, and it's disappointing to know that I still can't chip or putt for toffee.

So, what are you thinking on mid range putts anyway? Putting pressure on yourself to make them? Bad reads? Not making solid contact? Mechanical stuff?

 

That's crazy how many hits your playing partners had compared to you, too. Sometimes it doesn't impact my game, but if it's slow and you have to watch people throw up all over themselves again and again - it does get taxing.

 

in other news I found another set of Daiwa Advisors DG-8201 - They've got the square scotch toe and some old made for Japan True Temper Stiff shafts... I've had a set of heads for going on 3 years I've never done anything with... Saved me a little time and effort shafting them.

 

The range on Saturday I hit about 100 balls with my MR23s with X100s brought along another CB 4-iron with the slot in the back, a TS-201. It's a really pretty set, but the slotted 4-iron didn't perform as well is the MR23 solid cb. I feel like the 4 and 5 iron CB one of those small comforts, although they look the same as any MB... Anyway not spectacular, but 4 months after surgery, I'm only about a club or so short of normal and I have the low score of the month on the top tracer approach challenge at Pebble Beach... So, I haven't lost so much accuracy. In fact, I now hit my wedges ridiculously high. I used to knock down everything - hitting down and through. I hit the 60' about 60% higher than before. Yay for me.

 

That's my last three 4 iron shots in that last pic. Those will play.

 

 

 

 

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

4 minutes ago, Christen_The_Sloop said:

So, what are you thinking on mid range putts anyway? Putting pressure on yourself to make them? Bad reads? Not making solid contact? Mechanical stuff?

 

That's crazy how many hits your playing partners had compared to you, too. Sometimes it doesn't impact my game, but if it's slow and you have to watch people throw up all over themselves again and again - it does get taxing.

 

in other news I found another set of Daiwa Advisors DG-8201 - They've got the square scotch toe and some old made for Japan True Temper Stiff shafts... I've had a set of heads for going on 3 years I've never done anything with... Saved me a little time and effort shafting them.

 

The range on Saturday I hit about 100 balls with my MR23s with X100s brought along another CB 4-iron with the slot in the back, a TS-201. It's a really pretty set, but the slotted 4-iron didn't perform as well is the MR23 solid cb. I feel like the 4 and 5 iron CB one of those small comforts, although they look the same as any MB... Anyway not spectacular, but 4 months after surgery, I'm only about a club or so short of normal and I have the low score of the month on the top tracer approach challenge at Pebble Beach... So, I haven't lost so much accuracy. In fact, I now hit my wedges ridiculously high. I used to knock down everything - hitting down and through. I hit the 60' about 60% higher than before. Yay for me.

 

That's my last three 4 iron shots in that last pic. Those will play.

 

 

 

 

 

Those Daiwas look verrrry nice. I like the look of a square toe at address, except on wedges. 

 

As for my putting, I did consider if I was being too aggressive with the mid-range putts, but then realised that I was leaving as many short as long. I think I will approach them more as two-putters for a while, though, just to get back some confidence. But, it's a bit sad standing over a 15' putt thinking "just hit a nice lag..."😢

 

 

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

20 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I normally chip from fringe, but in these three instances, I used the putter.  Hate putting through fringe, because I'm not good at it.  I guess I demonstrated that rather well.

 

I'm the opposite. I use the putter, putting the ball back a little in the stance, opening up my stance a bit, and hitting down on the ball. I'm a terrible putter, but I get good results with this shot. In fact, it's what led me to trying putting with the ball back in my stance a little, but that hasn't worked out great. 

[MattC555]

I'm back in blades!  After wielding Ping G15 sledgehammers for a decade, I recently came into a mint set of Mizuno MP-68's.  So far so good. 

[Christen_The_Sloop]

1 minute ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

 

Those Daiwas look verrrry nice. I like the look of a square toe at address, except on wedges. 

 

As for my putting, I did consider if I was being too aggressive with the mid-range putts, but then realised that I was leaving as many short as long. I think I will approach them more as two-putters for a while, though, just to get back some confidence. But, it's a bit sad standing over a 15' putt thinking "just hit a nice lag..."😢

 

 

I always liked the way that DLIII thought of those putts. I think he got the thought from one Harvey Penick. Just give them a chance. So, basically exactly what you are thinking - what's sad is when none go in I guess, but that thought can also be freeing.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

4 minutes ago, Christen_The_Sloop said:

I always liked the way that DLIII thought of those putts. I think he got the thought from one Harvey Penick. Just give them a chance. So, basically exactly what you are thinking - what's sad is when none go in I guess, but that thought can also be freeing.

Exactly! Just give them a chance is how I've been approaching them...but then walking off with a bogey all too frequently.

 

What's weird is that I seem to judge the weight on longer putts way better than on medium putts. I need to figure out why. It may be that I'm looking too much at the line of the putt and not the actual distance the ball needs to cover, as stupid as that sounds.

 

The other thing is how bad I am at reading putts. I'm not perfect, I do occasionally pull a short putt and very occasionally push one, but I'm usually starting the ball on line I want to hit it. Yesterday, I hit all my short putts on the line I intended, yet I missed  most of them. I wondering if it's eyesight related, because when I was a junior, I could read the greens better, but not hit the putts correctly (I was handsy). I'm going to try reading greens with my dominant eye only for a bit. At this point, I've nothing to lose.

[Nard_S]

14 hours ago, DeNinny said:

Brother @Nard_S nice birdie!  

Thanks, it's a generous green but a pretty intimidating tee shot. Elevated and over water, 170 forced carry. True yardage gets you back half of green despite huge 60' elevation drop. Which is a bit of a head scratch. So added a club for added wind and put it 20 feet behind flag and drained a down hill R to L putt.

 

4 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

Hate putting through fringe, because I'm not good at it.

I hate it too, more than a foot I grab a wedge and chip. Watched Masters and these guys putting from 20 feet off and some were getting bit in the behind for it. If I don't practice it, I don't use it, because I'm a.s.s. at it.

[No_Catchy_Nickname]

6 hours ago, Nard_S said:

Thanks, it's a generous green but a pretty intimidating tee shot. Elevated and over water, 170 forced carry. True yardage gets you back half of green despite huge 60' elevation drop. Which is a bit of a head scratch. So added a club for added wind and put it 20 feet behind flag and drained a down hill R to L putt.

 

I hate it too, more than a foot I grab a wedge and chip. Watched Masters and these guys putting from 20 feet off and some were getting bit in the behind for it. If I don't practice it, I don't use it, because I'm a.s.s. at it.

 

If I'm 20 ft off the green, I'm chipping not putting unless: 1) I'm in a divot, 2) the grass around the green is dormant or cut almost like a green.

 

In a round last month, I did go the Texas Wedge route for a shot just like that, and got up and down, but the grass was very short so I reckoned it was a viable option.

 

 

[Nard_S]

1 hour ago, No_Catchy_Nickname said:

did go the Texas Wedge route for a shot just like that, and got up and down, but the grass was very short so I reckoned it was a viable option.

I think I'll give Texas wedge some reps and see where it goes on the practice green. Rarely see any real advantage under conditions I routinely see but who knows. The Open and Augusta my course is not. The greens are quite fast though.

[DeNinny]

6 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

I think I'll give Texas wedge some reps and see where it goes on the practice green. Rarely see any real advantage under conditions I routinely see but who knows. The Open and Augusta my course is not. The greens are quite fast though.

I use a 3w with a putting stroke if I have a lot of fringe or fairway to get through.  It takes practice to get the distance right but it's no more than practicing chips.  There is very little to go wrong other than misjudging the speed.  I also like it over putting since the 3w loft helps get it going through the fringe better than a putter.