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Tcann (OP),

 

It's obvious that you had some prejudice towards the group warranted or unwarranted. You should of let them pass. If the ranger was following your group .... I'm sure the ranger was also observing the aforementioned mentioned group. The ranger's job is to keep people moving and to make sure no "etiquette" rules are being broken.

 

You really lost my vote when you said they were talking to the cart girls. The cart girls are there to sell beverages or they wouldn't be there. Nothing wrong with buying beverages and talking to the girls a little.

 

Golf is a public (unless private) sport. The public is very diversified and my advice is that you need to relax a little ..... and allow the faster (annoying) groups to pass.

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I joined a new club and played my first round with the dew sweepers. Good group of dudes. They definitely put pace above performance and are a little more particular than the average player. It works for me with the heat, but I'll probably drop back to the 5 or 6 tee time so that they don't look cross-eyed at me when I want to putt out. :)

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Tcann (OP),

 

It's obvious that you had some prejudice towards the group warranted or unwarranted. You should of let them pass. If the ranger was following your group .... I'm sure the ranger was also observing the aforementioned mentioned group. The ranger's job is to keep people moving and to make sure no "etiquette" rules are being broken.

 

You really lost my vote when you said they were talking to the cart girls. The cart girls are there to sell beverages or they wouldn't be there. Nothing wrong with buying beverages and talking to the girls a little.

 

Golf is a public (unless private) sport. The public is very diversified and my advice is that you need to relax a little ..... and allow the faster (annoying) groups to pass.

 

Do courses really have beverage carts out at 8 AM?

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Tcann (OP),

 

It's obvious that you had some prejudice towards the group warranted or unwarranted. You should of let them pass. If the ranger was following your group .... I'm sure the ranger was also observing the aforementioned mentioned group. The ranger's job is to keep people moving and to make sure no "etiquette" rules are being broken.

 

You really lost my vote when you said they were talking to the cart girls. The cart girls are there to sell beverages or they wouldn't be there. Nothing wrong with buying beverages and talking to the girls a little.

 

Golf is a public (unless private) sport. The public is very diversified and my advice is that you need to relax a little ..... and allow the faster (annoying) groups to pass.

 

Do courses really have beverage carts out at 8 AM?

 

I always wanted to open a 24 hour bar that made really good donuts. I was going to call it "Drunk and Donuts".

 

Third shifters are starting their night with a quick round at 8am. Get 'em some booze!

 

And...and Gatorade, too.

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Tcann (OP),

 

It's obvious that you had some prejudice towards the group warranted or unwarranted. You should of let them pass. If the ranger was following your group .... I'm sure the ranger was also observing the aforementioned mentioned group. The ranger's job is to keep people moving and to make sure no "etiquette" rules are being broken.

 

You really lost my vote when you said they were talking to the cart girls. The cart girls are there to sell beverages or they wouldn't be there. Nothing wrong with buying beverages and talking to the girls a little.

 

Golf is a public (unless private) sport. The public is very diversified and my advice is that you need to relax a little ..... and allow the faster (annoying) groups to pass.

 

Do courses really have beverage carts out at 8 AM?

 

I always wanted to open a 24 hour bar that made really good donuts. I was going to call it "Drunk and Donuts".

 

Third shifters are starting their night with a quick round at 8am. Get 'em some booze!

 

And...and Gatorade, too.

 

Uh .... >100 degree summers in Arizona. My group tees off at 6am. The cart person is out there early selling ..... ahem....cold drinks or ........bloody mary.

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Wowowowowowowo....1st rule: keep up with the group ahead. 2nd rule: keep up with the group ahead. 3rd: you get the picture. You are going to get no love here, nor should you.

 

The other thing is, pace of play is pace of play. 1st, and most important rule on the course. And you were breaking it. I don't like loud music, and I don't like people disrespecting course rules such as cart path only, but I REALLY don't like golfers that don't keep up with the group ahead.

 

Damn, you sound like ME!

 

I used to work for a large Japanese auto company. When a new model was released a crew of engineers would come over to the states to help correct any early entry into service issues that may arise. Word got out that I was a golfer so these guys would show up at my cubicle wanting to play golf. Most of these guys never played before so I would help them out.

 

Nessism Rule 1: Be safe. Watch where you are swinging and where your ball is going.

 

Rule 2: Play fast. Don't hold up the group behind and always keep up with the group ahead.

 

One day we were playing on a medium-hard track and at the end of the round one guy told me he lost 14 balls! Said he didn't want to hold anyone up spending time looking for stray shots! God bless his heart!

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There are guys at my former home club who I never had any intention of trying to keep up with. These dudes play with one person in each cart, driving down the middle of the fairway and basically acting like they're on their way to put out out a fire. They used to let them go off first group of the day and the rest of us playing behind never saw them again after the second or third hole.

 

For a normal golfer, whether your preferred pace is 4 hours, 3-1/2 hours, 3 hours or even less there's still going to be guys out there who want to play faster. Best to let them tee off ahead of you or if they come up behind, wave them through. You're under no obligation to try and match pace with someone who wants to try and play at an hour (or two) faster pace than the prevailing norm at the course. Your only obligation is to avoid obstructing them if at all possible.

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If someone can catch up to me on the tee box, I will always let them through.

 

Sweet lord, I would hope so. If someone catches you on the tee box, you should be embarrassed that you didn't let them through sooner.

 

Your group was in the wrong. The group behind was clearly playing faster than you, and they should have been let through. If you remain unconvinced, you need to reread the Rules of Golf beginning with the section on etiquette.

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If someone can catch up to me on the tee box, I will always let them through.

 

Sweet lord, I would hope so. If someone catches you on the tee box, you should be embarrassed that you didn't let them through sooner.

 

Your group was in the wrong. The group behind was clearly playing faster than you, and they should have been let through. If you remain unconvinced, you need to reread the Rules of Golf beginning with the section on etiquette.

 

It's very difficult to catch someone at the tee box as teeing off takes less time than putting out. If the group behind you is on the green and you're on the tee box and the course is open ahead of you, you should wait for the trailing group and let them through.

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If someone can catch up to me on the tee box, I will always let them through.

 

Sweet lord, I would hope so. If someone catches you on the tee box, you should be embarrassed that you didn't let them through sooner.

 

Your group was in the wrong. The group behind was clearly playing faster than you, and they should have been let through. If you remain unconvinced, you need to reread the Rules of Golf beginning with the section on etiquette.

 

Yes, one should be completely embarrassed. Maybe even quit the game..

 

I'm not unconvinced on the etiquette of letting someone play through. However, if you are to keep up with the group in front you, then you SHOULD be in the tee box while they are hitting their second shots, ready to hit. This whole thread has been more about the poor etiquette of them not only being ready to hit, but hitting..

 

However, which I will continue to explain as I don't expect anyone to read through the whole entire thread, they were not waiting to hit their 2nd shots. They would often tee off, usually having one or two find the fairway at best, then have to look for balls, etc.

 

There was ONE par 3 they made it to while we were on the green, and ONE par 5 where they were waiting to hit their second shots from 290 out. Other than that, they didn't have to wait to hit their second shots. The only thing they would've had to wait for would've been 20 seconds to hit their tee shots. In my experience, when walking, the tee shot is one of the more time consuming parts of the hole when you include walking to the shot, which is generally 60%-75% the distance of the hole, if not more.

 

I'm not looking for anyone to really back me on it, but the practice of hitting into people is apparently well within the rules of golf etiquette to all here.

 

If someone sees you waiting on a tee box, then yes, you should get to play through, but hitting as soon as you arrive to the tee box isn't a practice I would consider within the rules of golf etiquette.

 

If there is a tee time directly infront of you, and you are able to step right up to the tee box and hit with no danger of hitting them, I would have to say you are off pace and not keeping up, or can't hit it far enough to make it a danger in comparison to the group infront of you.

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If someone can catch up to me on the tee box, I will always let them through.

 

Sweet lord, I would hope so. If someone catches you on the tee box, you should be embarrassed that you didn't let them through sooner.

 

Your group was in the wrong. The group behind was clearly playing faster than you, and they should have been let through. If you remain unconvinced, you need to reread the Rules of Golf beginning with the section on etiquette.

 

It's very difficult to catch someone at the tee box as teeing off takes less time than putting out. If the group behind you is on the green and you're on the tee box and the course is open ahead of you, you should wait for the trailing group and let them through.

 

Teeing off takes a very short time, but walking to the ball does not. If you lose a tee shot, it's going to take even longer.

 

Again, they didn't have to wait to hit their second shots as we were fast around and on the greens.

 

I guess I missed the rules and etiquette portion that said you must tee off immediately and never wait on a tee box.

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If someone can catch up to me on the tee box, I will always let them through.

 

Sweet lord, I would hope so. If someone catches you on the tee box, you should be embarrassed that you didn't let them through sooner.

 

Your group was in the wrong. The group behind was clearly playing faster than you, and they should have been let through. If you remain unconvinced, you need to reread the Rules of Golf beginning with the section on etiquette.

 

It's very difficult to catch someone at the tee box as teeing off takes less time than putting out. If the group behind you is on the green and you're on the tee box and the course is open ahead of you, you should wait for the trailing group and let them through.

 

Teeing off takes a very short time, but walking to the ball does not. If you lose a tee shot, it's going to take even longer.

 

Again, they didn't have to wait to hit their second shots as we were fast around and on the greens.

 

I guess I missed the rules and etiquette portion that said you must tee off immediately and never wait on a tee box.

 

In all the verbosity, I missed the part where you said they hit into you. What I understood was that they were hitting at the soonest possible moment that it was safe to hit; not that they were hitting into you.

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I've had to wait on tee boxes to tee off while still making good time on the course. I don't want to risk hitting anyone, and don't mind the 30 second wait for them to start the walk to the green after their second shot. My gripe the entire time was that we were not given that courtesy.

 

I have said several times now that it would've been more enjoyable to just let them through. I have no complex about letting anyone play through, and I have no problem when I have to wait a reasonable amount of time to hit a shot.

 

It has also become apparent that how fast you can play is as big of a D measuring contest as driving distance, and I'll bow out and say some of you are taller than me laying down.

 

If you find it improper to have to wait to hit a tee shot on the course, but proper to be within range of another group off the tee and hit into them, then Pot meet kettle, when it comes to etiquette.

 

The best picture I can paint is the last time we were near them, because we did pull away eventually, was they were pulling up to a green, while we were walking off a tee box. As soon as the last one of us hit our second shot, like literally as soon as, the first one of them teed off with driver, and it's a layup hole for anyone that can hit it further than 260.

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So within the past few weeks I have had a couple earlier tee times. I love playing earlier in the morning, besides the early morning crews who apparently have no interest in anything besides playing as fast as possible.

 

Over the weekend we were playing a rather nice, private course. We were off at 7:50 and there were 3 of us walking. It was cart path only anyways, so the time saved riding would've been null. We had all played there numerous times between them being members, and my work having a corporate membership, and knew all the rules and timing, etc. It is PGA owned so 4 hrs or less isn't negotiable, and that's fine by me.

 

We were told we could tee off at 7:45 since we were all there and ready and nobody was ahead of us. The ranger was just hanging with a few of us on the range since it wasn't all that busy yet. By the time we were off we had probably tee'd off less than 3 min early.

 

We had all JUST picked up our bags after our second shots when a group behind tee'd off, which couldn't have been more than 4-5 min after we had officially tee'd off. I know morning groups like to play quick, but that kind of spacing makes for an unhappy group ahead of you, and if you tee off early, expect to wait. God forbid one of us has to look for a ball for a minute or something. Even worse, these guys were so infatuated with playing so insanely fast that they had ignored the cart path rules and were driving all over the fairways. Albeit it had started to dry in many spots, but courses of this caliber, and its other members, don't take kindly to fairways with tire tracks leading through them.

 

As we continued our round, Ben, the pro/Marshall that morning caught us on the 6th tee, and alerted us that we were still 4-5 min AHEAD of time, which meant that the group behind must have been a solid 10 min ahead. We were playing the Blues and they were playing the whites and we were still keeping ahead of pace.

 

When we passed them on an adjacent fairway, they had loud music in their cart, were talking to the cart girl like they had just gotten out of prison, and were just a downright, obnoxious group. For the next few holes, that style play continued. They pushed us hard the whole front 9, but were never quite fast enough to actually catch up, they just never waited either. By the end of the round we had finished 2 min ahead of the 4 hr pace, walking a 6700 yard course.

 

The golf was fine, and we all played reasonably well even though the wind makes this course very tough. Ben (course pro) rode along with us on a couple holes and was very pleasant, helping us find a couple lost balls, etc. I assume he was bored and knew we were being pushed. He spoke with the group behind us about the cart path only rule, again, but knew they were gonna be pushing most of the day on us.

 

It was frustrating for me because I hadn't historically played well at this course, and for once I was. It wasn't so bad to have people riding us when shots were in the fairways, but it was legitimately rushed when you had to take a minute to find a ball, and set up a shot, and basically left us with no time to really study a shot, or a putt.

 

One of the guys I was out with is someone who I don't get to golf with as often as I'd like, and it's always a nice opportunity to play this place. At the end of the round we realized we hadn't hardly spoken, and it was sort of a bummer.

 

The other course this had happened on was the same story only much worse. There was a frost delay and we had times ahead of what we could tell were some very antsy patrons. They were pissed when the Pro told them that we were going to keep our times and that they would be backed up a half hour due to the frost.

 

We were literally walking off the first green when the group behind us was hitting into it. We had just gotten to the next tee when they zoomed off the first and were on us on the 2nd tee, so we let them play through. The group behind them did the exact same thing. At the turn the course pro came out and started hounding us that we made the turn 20 min late and that he had one of his members call to complain about us. This day was cart path only as well, which wasn't being followed, and these dudes were driving right up to the greens and stuff. They weren't even pulling pins on putts, let alone putting out.

 

After what had turned into a pretty heated argument with the pro, we got it through to the guy that we were walking, the others were riding, and that we made the turn 20 min late because we let TWO groups play ahead of us, and if those groups had tee'd off at their proper "times" (pushed back due to delay), that there would not have been an issue. We played the back 9 in 1 hr and 40 min and the head pro bought us all a drink and apologized. What was interesting to me, was that these guys had an original time at 8:30.

 

If you wanna play speed golf, reserve the first time of the day. Don't push your way through the course. If someone is on pace, I don't honestly feel like you have the right to push them. I would call it good etiquette if there are holes open ahead of you, and there is a single behind you, as I often play and appreciate it when someone realizes that, but I never push anyone like that when they aren't actually playing slow.

 

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So within the past few weeks I have had a couple earlier tee times. I love playing earlier in the morning, besides the early morning crews who apparently have no interest in anything besides playing as fast as possible.

 

Over the weekend we were playing a rather nice, private course. We were off at 7:50 and there were 3 of us walking. It was cart path only anyways, so the time saved riding would've been null. We had all played there numerous times between them being members, and my work having a corporate membership, and knew all the rules and timing, etc. It is PGA owned so 4 hrs or less isn't negotiable, and that's fine by me.

 

We were told we could tee off at 7:45 since we were all there and ready and nobody was ahead of us. The ranger was just hanging with a few of us on the range since it wasn't all that busy yet. By the time we were off we had probably tee'd off less than 3 min early.

 

We had all JUST picked up our bags after our second shots when a group behind tee'd off, which couldn't have been more than 4-5 min after we had officially tee'd off. I know morning groups like to play quick, but that kind of spacing makes for an unhappy group ahead of you, and if you tee off early, expect to wait. God forbid one of us has to look for a ball for a minute or something. Even worse, these guys were so infatuated with playing so insanely fast that they had ignored the cart path rules and were driving all over the fairways. Albeit it had started to dry in many spots, but courses of this caliber, and its other members, don't take kindly to fairways with tire tracks leading through them.

 

As we continued our round, Ben, the pro/Marshall that morning caught us on the 6th tee, and alerted us that we were still 4-5 min AHEAD of time, which meant that the group behind must have been a solid 10 min ahead. We were playing the Blues and they were playing the whites and we were still keeping ahead of pace.

 

When we passed them on an adjacent fairway, they had loud music in their cart, were talking to the cart girl like they had just gotten out of prison, and were just a downright, obnoxious group. For the next few holes, that style play continued. They pushed us hard the whole front 9, but were never quite fast enough to actually catch up, they just never waited either. By the end of the round we had finished 2 min ahead of the 4 hr pace, walking a 6700 yard course.

 

The golf was fine, and we all played reasonably well even though the wind makes this course very tough. Ben (course pro) rode along with us on a couple holes and was very pleasant, helping us find a couple lost balls, etc. I assume he was bored and knew we were being pushed. He spoke with the group behind us about the cart path only rule, again, but knew they were gonna be pushing most of the day on us.

 

It was frustrating for me because I hadn't historically played well at this course, and for once I was. It wasn't so bad to have people riding us when shots were in the fairways, but it was legitimately rushed when you had to take a minute to find a ball, and set up a shot, and basically left us with no time to really study a shot, or a putt.

 

One of the guys I was out with is someone who I don't get to golf with as often as I'd like, and it's always a nice opportunity to play this place. At the end of the round we realized we hadn't hardly spoken, and it was sort of a bummer.

 

The other course this had happened on was the same story only much worse. There was a frost delay and we had times ahead of what we could tell were some very antsy patrons. They were pissed when the Pro told them that we were going to keep our times and that they would be backed up a half hour due to the frost.

 

We were literally walking off the first green when the group behind us was hitting into it. We had just gotten to the next tee when they zoomed off the first and were on us on the 2nd tee, so we let them play through. The group behind them did the exact same thing. At the turn the course pro came out and started hounding us that we made the turn 20 min late and that he had one of his members call to complain about us. This day was cart path only as well, which wasn't being followed, and these dudes were driving right up to the greens and stuff. They weren't even pulling pins on putts, let alone putting out.

 

After what had turned into a pretty heated argument with the pro, we got it through to the guy that we were walking, the others were riding, and that we made the turn 20 min late because we let TWO groups play ahead of us, and if those groups had tee'd off at their proper "times" (pushed back due to delay), that there would not have been an issue. We played the back 9 in 1 hr and 40 min and the head pro bought us all a drink and apologized. What was interesting to me, was that these guys had an original time at 8:30.

 

If you wanna play speed golf, reserve the first time of the day. Don't push your way through the course. If someone is on pace, I don't honestly feel like you have the right to push them. I would call it good etiquette if there are holes open ahead of you, and there is a single behind you, as I often play and appreciate it when someone realizes that, but I never push anyone like that when they aren't actually playing slow.

 

Rant over.

 

And where do you say they hit into you? You hint at it but never say it. The story changes once again...

 

The part where I said we had all JUST picked up our bags when the group behind us teed off.

 

As in our bag straps weren't even all the way over our shoulders yet. The fully capitalized JUST was supposed to emphasize the inappropriate timing of their tee shots.

 

I have no reason to change the story man.. Sorry I didn't spell it out but I figured that this overly analytical crowd in WRX understood context clues? I don't mean to sound like a jerk there but I'm not being accused of improper etiquette and lying.

 

I guess maybe to some it's different, but I consider someone being within range of my tee shot a danger and if I hit, I would consider it hitting into them. Especially since we were playing from 20-30 yards back on some holes, we were within range on several holes, especially lay ups. They also teed right off when they got to a par 4 that's only 275 from the whites, and we were right infront of the green.

 

The entire thread, many, many times I have stated that they didn't wait AT ALL to hit their tee shots.

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If someone can catch up to me on the tee box, I will always let them through.

 

Sweet lord, I would hope so. If someone catches you on the tee box, you should be embarrassed that you didn't let them through sooner.

 

Your group was in the wrong. The group behind was clearly playing faster than you, and they should have been let through. If you remain unconvinced, you need to reread the Rules of Golf beginning with the section on etiquette.

 

It's very difficult to catch someone at the tee box as teeing off takes less time than putting out. If the group behind you is on the green and you're on the tee box and the course is open ahead of you, you should wait for the trailing group and let them through.

 

Teeing off takes a very short time, but walking to the ball does not. If you lose a tee shot, it's going to take even longer.

 

Again, they didn't have to wait to hit their second shots as we were fast around and on the greens.

 

I guess I missed the rules and etiquette portion that said you must tee off immediately and never wait on a tee box.

 

In all the verbosity, I missed the part where you said they hit into you. What I understood was that they were hitting at the soonest possible moment that it was safe to hit; not that they were hitting into you.

 

Yes, that's my entire gripe with the situation. I don't get upset if someone starts to play up a bit to let you know they're there, but I don't believe hitting tee shots when others are in range is appropriate. The combined with everything else made our groups courtesy meter a little dull, even though factoring in that they were teeing off immediately, combined with the fact that they weren't having to wait to hit their second shots, did raise the question between those in our group as to if they were actually going to be any faster than we were in the entirety of the round.

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the stubbornness of responses likely explains why you didn't consider letting group play through

 

anyone with half a clue would admit that 3some walking in 3:58 is SLOW - given that you never caught (and waited) on the group in front of you

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I look at like driving on the highway, just because your going five miles an hour over the speed limit in the left lane, doesn't mean you should stop anyone else from hoping ten miles over, just move I to the right lane and invite them to play through

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I look at like driving on the highway, just because your going five miles an hour over the speed limit in the left lane, doesn't mean you should stop anyone else from hoping ten miles over, just move I to the right lane and invite them to play through

 

And both parties complain the other thinks they own the road

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And you want them to take their take and back off a bit, but they are word not alloweds for killing time by talking to their cart girl? How dare they not just sit there in silence while your group moseyed on about.

 

Lol, OP just got pwned

 

I always enjoy a healthy debate on things, but comments like both of these are what make them unenjoyable. Not because they might prove me wrong, but because the they are taken out of context.

 

If your going to be passive aggressive and condescending, you'd might as well have read the entire point.

 

I believe my statement was "talking to the cart girl like they had just gotten out of prison."

 

I enjoy and attractive cart girl as much as anyone else around here, but I find it moderately disrespectful to start a conversation with her from 10 yards away with "Hey baby! Where have you been?! We need some beer!"

 

Disrespect towards women doesn't sit well with me.

 

So it was the way they were talking to the cart girl is what made them word not alloweds. They were just rowdy guys in general and disrespectful to anyone that was within their vicinity, and that vicinity was quite large in their instance as I've stated several times that their music could be heard from hundreds of yards away.

 

I'm all about having a good time. I like those rounds too, but this isn't the course for it.

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I look at like driving on the highway, just because your going five miles an hour over the speed limit in the left lane, doesn't mean you should stop anyone else from hoping ten miles over, just move I to the right lane and invite them to play through

 

And both parties complain the other thinks they own the road

 

I do love this example. It does fit perfectly for these situations.

 

For reference, that's how I feel about driving in the left lane as well, and I do move if someone decides they want to go 90 and I'm going 80.

 

I don't tailgate though. Not moving over for faster traffic is actually against the law here in mn, just like its a rule in golf. But tailgating is also illegal and dangerous, and I'm pretty sure hitting into people is either against the rules, or atleast highly frowned upon, so honestly, it makes both parties word not alloweds and neither of us handled things like we should've. They didn't give us the courtesy of being a safe distance from the tee, and we didn't let them through.

 

I still question the fact that they would've actually been faster than us as they didn't have to wait on any other parts of the hole from the very beginning, but I would've enjoyed myself more had we just waited for them to pass.

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I suspect every golf course in world has its tailgaters. Some private courses I've played have very few and some public courses are plagued with them. But they are exactly like tailgaters on the road. They don't care who is actually causing the holdup, they are going to ride the bumper of the guy ahead of them no matter how fast or slow he is going.

 

P.S. Total tangent to this thread but years ago I played a round with the head professional at a very, posh UK golf club. Quiet afternoon, course almost deserted but on the 17th hole a group of members cut in front of us after playing the first few holes of the front nine. When we got to the 18th tee, he waited until they were a couple hundred yards down the fairway and slapped a 5-iron shot that landed just behind them.

 

I thought that was kind of odd but he said, "They know they shouldn't cut in like that. Now they know I was here to see it". I figured a visitor (like myself) wouldn't have done that in a million years so he was kind of announcing that they were "busted".

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