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[bscinstnct]

50 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

I have to look through the math. Cheers

 

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It's mostly quantum mechanics in the actual paper. I don't know if the article is an accurate snapshot of the full paper. Going to take some time.

 

You got the full paper, this one?….

 

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/adv/article/13/10/105308/2915332/The-second-law-of-infodynamics-and-its

 

 

He does say in a quote I saw that basically while his theories may show/even prove that that “information is a physical entity, equivalent to mass and energy” and the physical/biological world may operate under the same parameters and patterns as information systems, it’s going to take some serious experiments and research to get to the next step. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by bscinstnct

[Soloman1]

12 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

You got the full paper, this one?….

 

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/adv/article/13/10/105308/2915332/The-second-law-of-infodynamics-and-its

 

 

He does say in a quote I saw that basically while his theories may show/even prove that that “information is a physical entity, equivalent to mass and energy” and the physical/biological world may operate under the same parameters and patterns as information systems, it’s going to take some serious experiments and research to get to the next step. 

 

Yes. going through it and others now. Lots to go through.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Soloman1

[TiScape]

Driving to my buddy’s house and got this cool view/shot of the moonrise. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by TiScape

[Soloman1]

OK, I'm going to try to reduce this to a couple of points. I don't have weeks to check the math...

 

 

Information entropy and infodynamics are verbal constructs. Thermodynamic entropy is an energy state, while information entropy is distribution of results from a variable. Classical thermodynamic entropy makes no reference to distribution probability, which is the central concept of information entropy.

 

Information entropy is the amount of missing information to determine a microstate within a macrostate. Even though the formulas are similar, they are different properties.

 

Some experiments show a relationship of information theory to thermodynamic entropy in irreversible deletion of information in computers. Not enough yet.

 

I don't think there's near enough there to conclude it describes dark matter. Again, we're back to are computers acting like the universe, or the universe acting like a computer.

 

If we can measure and calculate effects and actions with accuracy, how and why don't need to known until we know. 

 

The more interesting conclusion is his postulating symmetry than we're in a simulation.

 

[TiScape]

Eatin’ good in the neighborhood tonight! 😆

[Nard_S]

[Hankshank]

3 hours ago, TiScape said:

Eatin’ good in the neighborhood tonight! 😆

 

Can't do that any longer

[aenemated]

I mean, who doesn't need another Rottweiler? 

 

 

[BIG STU]

4 hours ago, TiScape said:

Eatin’ good in the neighborhood tonight! 😆

Where is that from Ti? Looks good. My favorite Hamburger Joint here Hamburger Joe's has 3 locations. It was on TV yesterday that the North Myrtle location was voted #1 Hamburger Joint in SC this year. I do not believe there is any difference on any of the locations nor did I know anything about a "Vote" but all is good as far as I am concerned. One of the young ladies that works at mine in Surfside lives down the street from me and I will ask her if I see her today if there is any difference. 

[TiScape]

2 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

Where is that from Ti? Looks good. My favorite Hamburger Joint here Hamburger Joe's has 3 locations. It was on TV yesterday that the North Myrtle location was voted #1 Hamburger Joint in SC this year. I do not believe there is any difference on any of the locations nor did I know anything about a "Vote" but all is good as far as I am concerned. One of the young ladies that works at mine in Surfside lives down the street from me and I will ask her if I see her today if there is any difference. 

The Habit. Started in Santa Barbara, CA and grew in SoCal. Now there are several locations. The burgers are char-broiled and it’s a fine burger. Def nothing fancy. 

[aenemated]

I've tried for 25 years to find a burger better than Char Grill in Raleigh. 

 

I haven't. 

[Fellaheen51]

Thermodynamic entropy.  Distribution probability.  Quantum mechanics.  Laws of infodynamics.   Missing dark matter is code.  The universe is one big sim.  Whoa, you boys been busy diving deep.  I smell math.  

 

In my current reality state, I'd settle for an explanation of swing thing theory postulated in I & A.  My game has entered an entropy phase.  

[dashanks]

17 hours ago, TiScape said:

Clearly you aren’t watching Ancient Aliens on the History channel. 

As for these aliens being to smart not to crash. Some would say humans are fairly advanced and have accomplished some fairly impressive feats. Yet still always gonna be that person dumb enough to be fumbling w/their phone or radio and hit the car in front of ‘em on the interstate. Maybe the aliens that crashed were just teen aliens that snuck out the family saucer and had a few too many pops! 👽🍻🤷🏼‍♂️

Have to add them to the list.   

Asteroids

Gamma ray bursts

Mass solar ejections

Drunken teenage aliens

[Hankshank]

2 hours ago, aenemated said:

I've tried for 25 years to find a burger better than Char Grill in Raleigh. 

 

I haven't. 

I wish I was 25 years old again...

[braincramp52]

8 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

OK, I'm going to try to reduce this to a couple of points. I don't have weeks to check the math...

 

 

Information entropy and infodynamics are verbal constructs. Thermodynamic entropy is an energy state, while information entropy is distribution of results from a variable. Classical thermodynamic entropy makes no reference to distribution probability, which is the central concept of information entropy.

 

Information entropy is the amount of missing information to determine a microstate within a macrostate. Even though the formulas are similar, they are different properties.

 

Some experiments show a relationship of information theory to thermodynamic entropy in irreversible deletion of information in computers. Not enough yet.

 

I don't think there's near enough there to conclude it describes dark matter. Again, we're back to are computers acting like the universe, or the universe acting like a computer.

 

If we can measure and calculate effects and actions with accuracy, how and why don't need to known until we know. 

 

The more interesting conclusion is his postulating symmetry than we're in a simulation.

 

Could you explain that again in English ? 😄

Edited November 28, 2023 by braincramp52

[braincramp52]

7 hours ago, TiScape said:

Eatin’ good in the neighborhood tonight! 😆

Finally! A great looking normal meal!🤣

[Jim53]

13 minutes ago, Hankshank said:

I wish I was 25 years old again...

Even 50 yrs old was a party LOL

[BIG STU]

2 hours ago, aenemated said:

I've tried for 25 years to find a burger better than Char Grill in Raleigh. 

 

I haven't. 

Never ate there. Only places I can remember in Raleigh are Clyde Cooper's BBQ, The White Tower and the Your House out on the US 70 bypass

[braincramp52]

16 minutes ago, Hankshank said:

I wish I was 25 years old again...

Not me Hank. I don't want to be around this place 25 years from now.😐

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, Fellaheen51 said:

Thermodynamic entropy.  Distribution probability.  Quantum mechanics.  Laws of infodynamics.   Missing dark matter is code.  The universe is one big sim.  Whoa, you boys been busy diving deep.  I smell math.  

 

In my current reality state, I'd settle for an explanation of swing thing theory postulated in I & A.  My game has entered an entropy phase.  

Now you are smart and know darn well you cannot go by what is posted there especially by a certain guru and his disciples that think he walks on water

[Hankshank]

13 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

Not me Hank. I don't want to be around this place 25 years from now.😐

At 25 my standard McDonalds (we didnt have much other hamburgeries around those days) order was 2 QP, Big fries, big Milkshake and a sundae. And it all magically kinda disappeared when consumed...

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Hankshank

[Soloman1]

3 hours ago, TiScape said:

The Habit. Started in Santa Barbara, CA and grew in SoCal. Now there are several locations. The burgers are char-broiled and it’s a fine burger. Def nothing fancy. 

 

They had one in Scottsdale and it was pretty good. In-N-Out opened around the corner and it went out of business. I thought Habit was better, but the conga line of cars snaking through the parking lot and down the street for In-N-Out said no.

 

People say In-N-Out is better, but I think they don’t want to admit that they’ll take cheap over good anytime. It’s so cheap, I wonder if they make them in China? It’s tasteless to me, like eating a wet newspaper burger.

 

If there’s a line, it must be good!

[Soloman1]

30 minutes ago, braincramp52 said:

Could you explain that again in English ? 😄

 

Sure.

 

It’s all done with mirrors. 😉

 

The paper describes a theory.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Soloman1

[bscinstnct]

8 hours ago, Soloman1 said:

OK, I'm going to try to reduce this to a couple of points. I don't have weeks to check the math...

 

 

Information entropy and infodynamics are verbal constructs. Thermodynamic entropy is an energy state, while information entropy is distribution of results from a variable. Classical thermodynamic entropy makes no reference to distribution probability, which is the central concept of information entropy.

 

Information entropy is the amount of missing information to determine a microstate within a macrostate. Even though the formulas are similar, they are different properties.

 

Some experiments show a relationship of information theory to thermodynamic entropy in irreversible deletion of information in computers. Not enough yet.

 

I don't think there's near enough there to conclude it describes dark matter. Again, we're back to are computers acting like the universe, or the universe acting like a computer.

 

If we can measure and calculate effects and actions with accuracy, how and why don't need to known until we know. 

 

The more interesting conclusion is his postulating symmetry than we're in a simulation.

 

 

Thanks! Seems like you enjoyed it 🍻 

 

And ultimately, as you say, 

 

“Again, we're back to are computers acting like the universe, or the universe acting like a computer.”

 

I recall the rudimentary fact that the laws of physics break down at the quantum level and Vopson theorizes that’s because at the quantum level, it’s actually “bits and pixels” of a computer program we see. Again, just an interest “coincidence” of sorts for now.

 

But lm having fun doing the layman’s expedition into this ; )

 

Im doing some “quantum entanglement” (Vopson theorizes that it’s possible for 2 particles to be entangled even when light years apart because, if everything is a simulation, it’s just a minimal space in a processor lol) reading and I can how it can drive scientists obsessively nuts 

 

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by bscinstnct

[Soloman1]

1 minute ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Thanks! Seems like you enjoyed it 🍻 

 

And ultimately, as you say, 

 

“Again, we're back to are computers acting like the universe, or the universe acting like a computer.”

 

I recall the rudimentary fact that the laws of physics break down at the quantum level and Vopson theorizes that’s because at the quantum level, it’s actually “bits and pixels” of a computer program we see. Again, just an interest “coincidence” of sorts for now.

 

But lm having fun doing the layman’s expedition into this ; )

 

Im doing some “quantum entanglement” (Vopson theorizes that it’s possible for 2 particles to be entangled even when light years apart because, if everything is a simulation, it’s just a virtual space in a processor lol) reading and I can how it can drive scientists obsessively nuts 

 

 

 

Yes, and thermo entropy and QM are full of wiggly stuff the deeper you go into it.

For QE, they had to be created simultaneously then separated by those light years. They don’t have to be in a simulation, it works in the real world, right?

[bscinstnct]

8 hours ago, TiScape said:

Eatin’ good in the neighborhood tonight! 😆

 

Well this is indisputable proof that

 

there is a God ; ) 

[miamistomp]

 

[bscinstnct]

6 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

Yes, and thermo entropy and QM are full of wiggly stuff the deeper you go into it.

For QE, they had to be created simultaneously then separated by those light years. They don’t have to be in a simulation, it works in the real world, right?

 

This guy says, sort of doesn’t work in the real world 🤣

 

“Asking about speed is a very interesting question. You might as a "normal human being" think that if I measure the polarization of one photon, that sets the state of the other photon. That thinking is fine, as long as the other photon measurement happens after the first measurement. But there is already a problem. If that second photon is measured on Pluto, it might take 6 hours for light to get there, so because information cannot travel faster than the speed of light, the second photon wouldn't know what state it should be. But it turns out that that second measurement will always match the first no matter when it was measured. So, it seems like the necessary information must have traveled faster than the speed of light. “
 

https://www.space.com/31933-quantum-entanglement-action-at-a-distance.html

 

[Triple Lindy]

11 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

You could have had a hole-in-one but a low career score is better. 

Thank you, DMM! I actually thought I had a legit chance at an ace on 17. Tee shot drew right in towards the pin. The cup was hidden from my view behind a mound, but I saw my ball land softly and continue to roll right at it. Turns out, I was 6’ away, and might have been a good thing. An ace, which I’ve never had, and personal best in the same round? I probably would have died and gone to heaven right then and there.

[braincramp52]

1 hour ago, Soloman1 said:

 

Sure.

 

It’s all done with mirrors. 😉

 

The paper describes a theory.

Now THAT'S something I can understand.😂