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If Thunder says something about a head, and how it relates to his swing, I would believe him. Any distance or swing speed claims are true. You can go look at the SLDR 5000 thread and confirm the numbers that we got when Taylormade did the fittings. He isn't just typing a bunch of BS. He is telling what works for his swing, although that working for anybody else on this site, is probably less the 1%.

 

I haven't voted yet, because I really haven't had any time to properly test, I've only hit many of the drivers into a net. I was able to hit the rogue outside with the Evenflow shaft, and it wasn't any better than my 16 M1 with a di 6s shaft. Now if I play with shafts and get some time with a trackman, then things could change. My swing speed is around 100

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M3 #1 followed closely by Ping G400 LsT and no other driver gets a vote from me because they weren’t even close to those 2.   I hit Rogue Subzero expecting a giant slayer and I vaporized one that I l

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

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My vote went to the G400 and I'm loving my setup but I'm certain if properly fit I could say the same thing about just about every driver on the list. BB

Irons: 19' Cobra CB's
Drivers: Titleist TS3 & Cobra F9
Fairway: Titleist 917F2
Hybrid: A-Grind
2 iron: Ping Rapture
Wedges: Ping Gorge 2.0 Stealth's
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From a Titleist fan, I thought the 917 d2 had a very odd shape to it. Felt good though. M3 was meh, m4 looked open at address and was nothing exciting to hit. The rogue looked like the epic and fusion had a baby, liked it though. G400 felt, sounded and looked really good. It's the only one so far this year tempting me from 2016 m2.

 

Can't find any of the new Mizuno drivers in lefty to test.

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My vote went to the club in my bag. In the bag should mean something. My choice is the TM M3 440. I tested many of the others with shafts suitable to my game (not stock shafts). Second was the TM M3 460. I usually prefer the smaller TM head although I did play the original M2 in 460. I found the Callaway Rogues similar to the Epics which were good but they were slightly shorter and while very straight I couldn't work the ball. The Ping G400Lst was the shortest of the new clubs I hit, but I have never had much success with Ping drivers, usually too much spin. The Cleveland Launcher HB was too light and more of a draw club. (I used to play the original Launchers back "in the day". I liked the Bridgestone XD 7, nice boring trajectory not as consistent as the M3.

I only hit a half dozen shots with the Vertical Groove and I hit some really good shots but curiously had a couple just drop out of the sky, I wasn't able to compare distances with it. By the way the twist face seems to work very well for me. Heel shots always come back although a little lower than a well struck shots. Toe shots do draw back with a high trajectory. Heel shots usually more in center of the fairway, toe's carry longer.

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Update:

 

I sat in on my friends fitting at Carl’s Golfland last night and saw him hit:

 

Taylormade M3

Ping G400 Max with multiple shafts

Cobra F8

Callaway Rogue SZ with multiple shafts

 

His average stats with the winning setup for those that have similar numbers:

Swing Speed: 102

Ball Speed: 153

Launch angle: 13

AoA: between +3 and +5

Spin rate: 2200

Carry distance: 255

Total: 283

 

His winning setup: Rogue SZ 9* w PX Evenflow 60 6.5

 

His swing speed is between 101-104 currently and he was getting ridiculous ball speeds and smash off the Rogue SZ with PX Evenflow shaft which ended up winning his fitting. Rogue SZ produced the highest ball speeds and best dispersion regardless of shaft in comparison to the others. He averaged 1.5 smash with the Rogue SZ and 1.47 or less on everything else he tried. The Ping G400 Max would have been the next best club for him but the ball speeds were lower and disepersion was not nearly as good. Surprised the Rogue SZ was actually MORE forgiving on mishits for him than the G400 max.

 

I hit a couple balls after his fitting was complete and I saw the same thing I said a couple days ago... Rogue SZ for me is a dead head. I ripped one and caught it dead center and ball speed was down almost 10 mph.

My numbers on 2 balls with my driver:

SS: 127

BS: 188

LA: 12

AoA: +2

Spin: 2200

CD: 314

TD: 335

 

**MY TAKEAWAY:

If you are swinging your driver 90-110 mph the Rogue creates some serious ball speed. If you swing over 115 mph Rogue starts to lose its pop. I swing about 126-128 right now and I saw the best ball speeds off of M3 followed closet by G400 LsT. I saw a 4 mph increase in ball speed with the M3 over my 2016 M1 and 2 mph increase with the G400 LsT on nearly identical strikes however, my M1 has my heavy + short 80tx shaft and the M3 I hit was a 60 gram version so the difference in ball speed must have come from the added speed from the lighter club. After looking at the numbers I actually think I am going to try my beloved 2016 M1 head on a lower setting. My land angle was about 44* and peak height was higher than I’d like so I can definitely improve a little on my own driver. I also think at a lower loft I will get a little better ball speed off my M1 as well.

 

**If you are under 110 mph ss: Callaway w Jailbreak is better

** if you are over 115 mph ss: Taylormade w Hammerhead is better

** if you hate both of them... Ping G400 LsT is a heavyweight contender

 

You sound like you know what you're talking about but I have to call bullxxxx on some of what you are saying. All of the current drivers from the big 5 are within 1-2 mph and a few yards and I rarely see anything over that no matter the company whether it's ping tm Callaway cobra or even Mizuno.

 

So for you to say you nutted the Rogue and lost 10 mph is completely false. I guarantee it. I don't swing 128 like you claim but I do reach 115-118 and the Rogue SZ, G400 LST, G400 Max, F8+, and M3 all we within 1 mph and 2-4 yards carry/total distance.

 

Also to make a claim that the Callaway helps slower swingers gain more ball speed than higher is comical. That's how every driver is made. A faster swinger is only going to get so much out of every driver.

 

Go watch Alex Etches at Golf Box Reviews. He doesn't struggle with ball speed at all with the Rogue. Regularly reaches 180mph+ ball carrying it 342 yards. Rogue regularly has been the highest ball speed driver he has tested but again all have been in the ball park. He nor I have ever lost 10mph from any modern day driver from the big 5.

 

To say one driver is better than the other is just opinion anymore especially if we are comparing the big 5.

 

I agree, as you posted Alex Etches isn’t losing ball speed!

 

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you’re seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn’t seem even possible given the quality of the club.

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you’re seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn’t seem even possible given the quality of the club.

 

Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that’s a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his “range monitor” is set downwind for some reason. You don’t get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.

 

Seriously don’t care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don’t need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.

 

Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I’m saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don’t have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don’t know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I’ll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.

 

I’ll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don’t forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.

 

Have a good season everyone.

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.

 

Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.

 

Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.

 

Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.

 

I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.

 

Have a good season everyone.

 

TBW,

Ignore the critics, your provided input to this website is much appreciated. You provide real data and input.

And by the way, TBW is legit, I saw him in action a few years back at the GolfWrx/ Odyssey putter gathering

hitting balls at Carls golfland, he can back his numbers.

Thanks for your forum contributions, I always look forward to them.

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A fitter told me the rogue and the ping.. king of swing 2018. Unbiased. Not trying to sell me anything. Didn’t know what I used and wasn’t trying to sell me anything.

 

I did break my rogue head however. It’s cracked where the carbon meets the titanium.. closer to the hosel. Anyone seen this yet?

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A fitter told me the rogue and the ping.. king of swing 2018. Unbiased. Not trying to sell me anything. Didn’t know what I used and wasn’t trying to sell me anything.

 

I did break my rogue head however. It’s cracked where the carbon meets the titanium.. closer to the hosel. Anyone seen this yet?

 

I had an Epic SZ 3W I had to exchange, because I hit shot off the toe and it concaved at the welding point (face and body).

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Rogue SZ, Ping G400 Max/LST, and M3 are all great. Rogue and Max takes it for me. I think Ping hurt their standard and LST by making the max so good.

 

It does everything just as good or better. Low spin, high launch, great ball speed, in a more forgiving head. I can't see why anyone would buy any other model if you're in the market for a G400.

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I’m interested to see how Rogue works for higher SS players.

 

Thunder had been around for a while on the forums, there are other members of the board that will verify his prowess.

I’m not going to doubt what happened when he hit the ball, but perhaps it was a bad head though???

 

I’ve got two good mates that swing at 125-130mph so hopefully will be able to get some good data on TrackMan in the near future.

 

I know for me personally it works great at 108-110mph. :)

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.

 

Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.

 

Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.

 

Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.

 

I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.

 

Have a good season everyone.

 

TBW,

Ignore the critics, your provided input to this website is much appreciated. You provide real data and input.

And by the way, TBW is legit, I saw him in action a few years back at the GolfWrx/ Odyssey putter gathering

hitting balls at Carls golfland, he can back his numbers.

Thanks for your forum contributions, I always look forward to them.

 

I agree 100%... TBW is a good dude and I have personally seen him pound a ball. I always look forward to his comments too because I know he knows his stuff and has the resume to back it.

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**If you are under 110 mph ss: Callaway w Jailbreak is better

** if you are over 115 mph ss: Taylormade w Hammerhead is better

** if you hate both of them... Ping G400 LsT is a heavyweight contender

 

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you’re seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn’t seem even possible given the quality of the club.

 

Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that’s a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his “range monitor” is set downwind for some reason. You don’t get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.

 

Seriously don’t care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don’t need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.

 

Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I’m saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don’t have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don’t know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I’ll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.

 

I’ll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don’t forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.

 

Have a good season everyone.

 

Thunder, I actually agree with you.

 

I visited my local Roger Dunn Golf Shop. I decided to test the M3 460 with a Tensei White stiff shaft (low launch/low spin) vs a Rogue SZ with a Hzardus Yellow shaft (low launch/low spin) on their GC2.

 

My findings:

 

M3

SS ave: 106.4

Ball Speed ave: 154.3

 

Fastest SS: 108.6

Fastest BS: 157.5

 

Rogue SZ

SS ave: 111.4 (yes, 5 mph faster)

Ball Speed ave: 156.0 (yet, only 1.7 mph ball speed faster)

 

Fastest SS: 112.0

Fastest BS: 156.9

 

Anybody please correct me, if I am analyzing this wrong. Does this tell me the M3 with hammerhead is a hotter face than the Rogue with Jailbreak? My SS with the Rogue is faster, but the ball speed is not as fast. Could the varible be that the Rogue has a lower torque rating at 2.9 vs the Tensei shaft white at over 4.0?

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.

 

Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.

 

Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.

 

Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.

 

I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.

 

Have a good season everyone.

 

Thunder, I actually agree with you.

 

I visited my local Roger Dunn Golf Shop. I decided to test the M3 460 with a Tensei White stiff shaft (low launch/low spin) vs a Rogue SZ with a Hzardus Yellow shaft (low launch/low spin) on their GC2.

 

My findings:

 

M3

SS ave: 106.4

Ball Speed ave: 154.3

 

Fastest SS: 108.6

Fastest BS: 157.5

 

Rogue SZ

SS ave: 111.4 (yes, 5 mph faster)

Ball Speed ave: 156.0 (yet, only 1.7 mph ball speed faster)

 

Fastest SS: 112.0

Fastest BS: 156.9

 

Anybody please correct me, if I am analyzing this wrong. Does this tell me the M3 with hammerhead is a hotter face than the Rogue with Jailbreak? My SS with the Rogue is faster, but the ball speed is not as fast. Could the varible be that the Rogue has a lower torque rating at 2.9 vs the Tensei shaft white at over 4.0?

 

Without knowing where on the face you were striking we wouldn't be able to give you a 100% accurate answer to say if one was "hotter" than the other

Driver = Taylormade SIM 8* Hzrdus green 6.0

1 iron = Titleist U501 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
3 iron = Titleist U500 Hzrdus smoke 6.0
Irons = Wilson Staff tour blade,  4-PW
Wedges = Titleist 52* SM6

                   Taylormade 56* and 60* MG2

Putter = Scotty Del Mar

               Wilson Staff 8882

Ball = Experimenting at moment

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Call me when you test them with comparable shafts. And, can you explain why your swing speed is so different with the two drivers?

 

I was hoping maybe someone could tell me why my swing speed was much faster with the Rogue? I think it’s the Hzrdus shaft, because I also tried a Diamana Whiteboard with the Rogue SZ and my swing speed was registering between 106-108. The point is I agree with Thunder that maybe the M3 has a hotter face than the Rogue SZ. For the record, I registered 109-112 mph SS with the Rogue SZ two weeks ago too and I’m currently gaming the Rogue SZ Hzardus yellow.

 

As for hitting with the same shafts, unfortunately both clubs don’t come standard in the Hzrdus yellow or Tensei white shaft.

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I'm not doubting him or his swing claims but what he did was what you just said; categorized a whole driver line to say anyone above a certain swing speed won't see benefits or ball speed increases compared to other brands which clearly isn't true.

 

Maybe the Rogue doesn't fit his swing but to say the G400 LST or m3 would be better for faster swingers to obtain higher ball speeds is completely unfounded.

 

I personally don't use a rogue or epic but I know a few 120+ swingers who do and see insane speeds just like they do with a G400 or TM product. All I am saying is yes most of all the big makers make drivers that are extremely even across the board. It's just about finding the right shaft and headshape for you.

 

They certainly don't see their rogue numbers 10mph less than when they hit other brands.

 

+1. Guys with high swingspeeds are crushing the Rogue. And what I would say is check the monitor because the one you are on has you swinging the club faster than Dustin Johnson, Bubba Watson, Rory Mcilroy, Tony Finau, Johnny Vegas, etc., all of whom average 120-124 with the occasional swing at 125-127. But they are generally in the low 120s.

 

These big drops in ballspeed. Are you hitting the Rogue in the middle of the face at 128 and you're seeing a huge drop? PGA Tour pros cannot swing it that fast AND center it with any consistency.

 

If the Rogue was 10 mph less than competitors, that news would travel like wildfire. It has to be anecdotal or the LM is jacked or the contact is moving around the face. If you were hitting off center, a 10 mph drop would be possible and likely. But in the middle with a 10 mph drop? Doesn't seem even possible given the quality of the club.

 

Here we go again.. did anyone really look at that Alex Etches video? His ss on the first ball was 128 mph yet ball speed was under 180... that's a smash of 1.39.... and he even said he killed it. This kind of proves my point. If he really nutted one at 128 he should be at 190+ ball speeds but he is nowhere close.. about 10 mph off actually. Plus his "range monitor" is set downwind for some reason. You don't get 342 yard carry with 178-179 ball speeds and 2700 spin.

 

Seriously don't care to hear about what you think I am capable of compared to DJ, Finau, Rory Bubba, etc (ALL OF WHICH YOU NAMED DO NOT USE Callaway anyway). And I hit on Trackman.. the same Trackman I have been fitted on multiple times. Actually 3 different Trackman monitors. The same system that all these pros use daily. I was fit once at the Taylormade Kingdom Reynolds Plantation by one of the people that fits the tour players. I don't need to argue to prove my point, info is all out there if you really doubt my numbers and this is what I saw. Also seems to be what this Alex guy gets out of it too unless you know of a video where he is getting 190 ball speed with his swing speed.

 

Both days I hit the Rogue SZ on Trackman were 5 balls one day and 3 balls the other day. Both days my 3 wood was nearing the ball speeds of the Rogue SZ Driver. Take what you want from my findings. Unbelievable to record actual data and be called a liar. Basically all I'm saying here is if you swing over 120 and you don't have access to Trackman, the keep an eye on Rogue vs Ping vs Taylormade because I personally found that the Ping and Taylormade have more pop for me at my speed while at the same time the Rogue had way more pop than Ping and Taylormade for my good friend at his speeds. Should this happen? I don't know but it did. I will even go back and hit it one more time on Trackman out of curiosity. If i see something different maybe I'll change my opinion. If I see the same result it will be 3 out of 3 thumbs down for me.

 

I'll get back to lurking around on here reading absurd comments and not contributing anymore since recording actual information and personal research with data to back it up is apparently not good enough. Don't forget the answer to any question related to equipment is opinion based. I guess my opinion sucks and the data is worthless.

 

Have a good season everyone.

 

Thunder, I actually agree with you.

 

I visited my local Roger Dunn Golf Shop. I decided to test the M3 460 with a Tensei White stiff shaft (low launch/low spin) vs a Rogue SZ with a Hzardus Yellow shaft (low launch/low spin) on their GC2.

 

My findings:

 

M3

SS ave: 106.4

Ball Speed ave: 154.3

 

Fastest SS: 108.6

Fastest BS: 157.5

 

Rogue SZ

SS ave: 111.4 (yes, 5 mph faster)

Ball Speed ave: 156.0 (yet, only 1.7 mph ball speed faster)

 

Fastest SS: 112.0

Fastest BS: 156.9

 

Anybody please correct me, if I am analyzing this wrong. Does this tell me the M3 with hammerhead is a hotter face than the Rogue with Jailbreak? My SS with the Rogue is faster, but the ball speed is not as fast. Could the varible be that the Rogue has a lower torque rating at 2.9 vs the Tensei shaft white at over 4.0?

 

Without knowing where on the face you were striking we wouldn't be able to give you a 100% accurate answer to say if one was "hotter" than the other

 

Well there was no HM2, so I don’t know where on the face the ball was striking on either clubs.

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Had the rogue subzero with speeder 665 x flex and sold it after my first range session with f8+ paired with evenflow blue 65 in 6.5 flex. I play it with the heavier weight forward and it's phenomenal.

Gamer/Backup
Driver: PING G410 LST 9 w/ EF Black 6.5; Cobra LTD PRO w/ Speeder 661 iv and Cobra F8+ with Evenflow Blue 65 6.5
3wd: TEE CB Pro 14.5 Speeder 757 stiff; 
5wd: Cobra F6 Baffler set at 17.5; Titleist 915 2H
3H- Titleist 915 2H dialed up in loft to 19; Ping G with Evenflow Blue 85 6.0
4 iron: G400 Crossover; G400 green dot CFS stiff, It's stamped 5 iron but power spec at 22* I use it as 4 iron; N/A
5-PW: Ping i15 green dot AWT stiff; PXG 0211 w/ Elevate Tour VSS Pro stiff
52/12 F: Vokey sm8 2 up; 52/12 F Vokey SM7
58/12 d: Vokey sm8 2 up; 58/12 d Vokey sm7 
Putter: Taylormade Spider Platinum; Ping Anser Milled 5; Nike Method Matter B2-05
Ball: Wilson FG Tour

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Both good drivers but the f8+ was clear winner for me

Gamer/Backup
Driver: PING G410 LST 9 w/ EF Black 6.5; Cobra LTD PRO w/ Speeder 661 iv and Cobra F8+ with Evenflow Blue 65 6.5
3wd: TEE CB Pro 14.5 Speeder 757 stiff; 
5wd: Cobra F6 Baffler set at 17.5; Titleist 915 2H
3H- Titleist 915 2H dialed up in loft to 19; Ping G with Evenflow Blue 85 6.0
4 iron: G400 Crossover; G400 green dot CFS stiff, It's stamped 5 iron but power spec at 22* I use it as 4 iron; N/A
5-PW: Ping i15 green dot AWT stiff; PXG 0211 w/ Elevate Tour VSS Pro stiff
52/12 F: Vokey sm8 2 up; 52/12 F Vokey SM7
58/12 d: Vokey sm8 2 up; 58/12 d Vokey sm7 
Putter: Taylormade Spider Platinum; Ping Anser Milled 5; Nike Method Matter B2-05
Ball: Wilson FG Tour

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Had a fitting this week. For me the M4 was the clear winner. I was consistently getting the most out of it and it seemed effortless compared to some of the other drivers I hit. I had consistently faster ballspeed and a far higher smash factor. I swing around 90 and was getting a 1.51 smash factor.

 

I went in wanting rogue sub zero and I just couldn't get the launch down. My glitter said compared to previous generations that he was fitting players who need to flight it down with low spin into TM, and players who needed more launch but low spin into Callaway drivers.

 

Cobra f8+ was my second best driver. I could happily play that, G400 max spun too much, PXG wasn't as forgiving, and the Mizuno was ok but a bit blue.

 

 

Driver shaft was the Atmos black 6s.the fitter found a shaft first that I delivered consistently before then finding the head that worked best numbers wise.

Driver: Callaway Mavrik Sub Zero 9 Stiff Weight back Aldila Rogue White 60 S
Fairway Wood: Callaway Mavrik Sub Zero Aldila Rogue White 70 S
Hybrid: Callaway Mavrik 18, 20, 
Irons: Callaway Epic Forged Aerotech Steefiber 95
Wedge: Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth AWT 50, 56, 60
Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab 10
Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft X

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So two weeks in, according to poll results, the PING 400 series has a big lead over the two Callaway Rogue drivers, and Taylormade and Cobra are 3rd and 4th. I love the seeming impartiality on this site. Especially refreshing since until recently the only site I belonged to does nothing but praise everything Callaway.

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