Anchoring Rule basically dead

[Vindog]

I find your behavior trollish.

 

Let's just agree to disagree without you resorting to dismissing my view as somehow invalid or conspiratorial because it differs from your own.

 

It is conspiratorial. You said as much yourself when you mention some sort of coverup with the R&A. Also allude to it when you ask if I am employed by them.

 

So in that, it's not our fault that your view is marked that way.

[Emerich]

You'll know it's me when I run out onto the putting green and interupt Langer's putting routine. As I slip my R&A issued straight razor between his top hand and his torso, I'll apologize but say it's necessary because some guy in a La-Z-Boy thinks you're dishonest and the R&A is covering it up.

 

Excellent. Thank you for making my point. You're not there. Which means your judgement that Langer is not breaking the rule is based on watching the tournament on TV just like me, and/or the honor system whereby the player says he is not anchoring, so he must not be. Sorry - but that's absurd.

[Emerich]

Sorry - I just watched Langer hole a long putt on 17 in rd 3 and the TV angle showed without a shadow of a doubt that the putter is anchored to his sternum, and that the top of the club is moving in perfect unison with the movement of his torso.

 

The good news is that this will surely be shown multiple times on replay, and even a golf referee who wants to pretend that it is not happening will have to admit they are wrong.

[2putttom]

Sorry - I just watched Langer hole a long putt on 17 in rd 3 and the TV angle showed without a shadow of a doubt that the putter is anchored to his sternum, and that the top of the club is moving in perfect unison with the movement of his torso.

 

The good news is that this will surely be shown multiple times on replay, and even a golf referee who wants to pretend that it is not happening will have to admit they are wrong.

so he's "anchoring" what are ya gonna do about it?

[Emerich]

so he's "anchoring" what are ya gonna do about it?

 

I guess we'll have to hope for a golf referee who gives a hoot to step in.

 

In the meantime, I'll just join the chorus of tour players and golf analysts who feel the same way.

[vman]

[new2g0lf]

The rule is dead because no one will call out the current guys breaking it, We'll just wait for them to all retire and hope we sufficiently discouraged younger golfers from adopting it.

[sui generis]

The rule is dead because no one will call out the current guys breaking it, We'll just wait for them to all retire and hope we sufficiently discouraged younger golfers from adopting it.

 

You know this, how? You heard it on AM talk radio? They mentioned it just after the panel discussion on why the moon landings were faked. :swoon:

[golfandfishing]

The rule is dead because no one will call out the current guys breaking it, We'll just wait for them to all retire and hope we sufficiently discouraged younger golfers from adopting it.

 

You know this, how? You heard it on AM talk radio? They mentioned it just after the panel discussion on why the moon landings were faked. :swoon:

 

sui I just saw on tv that aliens built pyramids all over the planet. It was pretty convincing, and since I saw it on tv I’ll consider it as fact.

[KrazyTrain18]

I won't comment on whether or not players are anchoring, all I will say is that the governing bodies have put themselves in this position by applying the rules in this fashion. In my opinion it should've been left as is or modified completely so that we wouldn't need the speculation.

[Lodestone]

Sorry - I just watched Langer hole a long putt on 17 in rd 3 and the TV angle showed without a shadow of a doubt that the putter is anchored to his sternum, and that the top of the club is moving in perfect unison with the movement of his torso.

 

The good news is that this will surely be shown multiple times on replay, and even a golf referee who wants to pretend that it is not happening will have to admit they are wrong.

 

I'm just going to let that statement stew in its own broth of absurdity.

[new2g0lf]

I won't comment on whether or not players are anchoring, all I will say is that the governing bodies have put themselves in this position by applying the rules in this fashion. In my opinion it should've been left as is or modified completely so that we wouldn't need the speculation.

 

Exactly, without installing pressure plates on their chest to determine if their hands actually touch their chest it's impossible to prove, especially given the rule allows them to touch their shirts. Langer says he practices with his hand on his chest then moves it away, I can't see a difference on television between his practice stroke and actual stroke but he claims there is.

[ChaosTheory]

Sorry - I just watched Langer hole a long putt on 17 in rd 3 and the TV angle showed without a shadow of a doubt that the putter is anchored to his sternum, and that the top of the club is moving in perfect unison with the movement of his torso.

 

The good news is that this will surely be shown multiple times on replay, and even a golf referee who wants to pretend that it is not happening will have to admit they are wrong.

 

I just saw him putting yesterday too, and to me it was clearly visible that his hand was away from his chest. The late day sun was coming at such a horizontal angle that made it very easy to see it. Not trying to be difficult, but I saw the opposite of you. I wish we had a clip of our two impressions, lol.

[Emerich]

Sorry - I just watched Langer hole a long putt on 17 in rd 3 and the TV angle showed without a shadow of a doubt that the putter is anchored to his sternum, and that the top of the club is moving in perfect unison with the movement of his torso.

 

The good news is that this will surely be shown multiple times on replay, and even a golf referee who wants to pretend that it is not happening will have to admit they are wrong.

 

I just saw him putting yesterday too, and to me it was clearly visible that his hand was away from his chest. The late day sun was coming at such a horizontal angle that made it very easy to see it. Not trying to be difficult, but I saw the opposite of you. I wish we had a clip of our two impressions, lol.

 

Did you see the putt on 17?

[golfandfishing]

This putt? He’s clearly not anchoring

 

 

Even from this terribly awful angle you can see his top hand moving.

[Shilgy]

For those that are just "positive" they are anchoring....

First, the hand out end of club can touch/brush without being anchored.

 

Second, please watch video of their strokes when annoying was legal and then watch their strokes now.

 

Third, if you cannot see the difference please visit your local optometrist.

[Shilgy]

PS, they certainly will appear to be anchored this morning/afternoon at the Senior Open with rain gear on.

[larrybud]

Eliminate anchoring is one thing but they should have made a rule that your two hands must be touching on the grip to make a stroke. Problem solved.

 

Problem not solved. What about the onehanded tap in? What about a one armed player?

 

This is why the rule is lousy. Let's see a well worded rule, because the one they have now stinks

 

Show us your chops, write it for us.

 

Sure "I hereby rescind the anchoring rule."

 

No more controversy if someone is anchoring.

[larrybud]

I do think anchoring is an unfair advantage, I do think it should have been banned, and I do think Langer was anchoring today.

 

How is it an unfair advantage if everyone is allowed to do it?

 

What's unfair is a bunch of guys taking the rule and completely changing their method, VS a couple of guys who clearly are trying to get away with something and being allowed to.

[ClintDagger]

I do think anchoring is an unfair advantage, I do think it should have been banned, and I do think Langer was anchoring today.

 

How is it an unfair advantage if everyone is allowed to do it?

 

What's unfair is a bunch of guys taking the rule and completely changing their method, VS a couple of guys who clearly are trying to get away with something and being allowed to.

People use the “unfair advantage” angle and that was never an argument used by the governing bodies at least that I saw. Their argument was essentially that the motion of strokes anchored to the body (belly / chest) takes the skill out of the putting stroke. In fact that was the exact quote they used time and time again “removes the skill”.

[Vindog]

I do think anchoring is an unfair advantage, I do think it should have been banned, and I do think Langer was anchoring today.

 

How is it an unfair advantage if everyone is allowed to do it?

 

What's unfair is a bunch of guys taking the rule and completely changing their method, VS a couple of guys who clearly are trying to get away with something and being allowed to.

 

Anyone can, and is allowed to, use a long putter. Nothing unfair about it.

[King_Slender]

The "both hands touching" would not solve the problem because that would also outlaw several variations of the "claw" grip that Mickelson now uses and others.

[ClintDagger]

The "both hands touching" would not solve the problem because that would also outlaw several variations of the "claw" grip that Mickelson now uses and others.

It looks to me like Phil’s right index finger touches the back of his left hand. If the goal is to eliminate these motions (and I’m not saying it is) then defining a stroke as utilizing a grip where there is contact between both hands seems to be the best idea that I’ve seen. Whatever issue exists with eliminating split grip methods might be minimal. I honestly haven’t thought about it.

[Golfer4Life]

McCarron and Langer, the two anchor putter players I despise the most. Using the excuse the hand is touching the shirt, right!

[Short Pete]

Hey, another member of the Dead Horse Beater's Club! A hearty welcome to you!

[Golfer4Life]

Nobody likes a cheat!

[nbg352]

Nobody likes a cheat!

No, but we need to be certain they are cheating before we go calling them one.

[shotmark]

The fact that this thread is now on its 9th page and is quite heated with one camp being certain Langer is anchoring and the others just as certain he isn’t. This tells us it is far from clear whether he’s anchoring. My own view is that he is anchoring. Either way clearly Langer must know people are doubting his integrity and is apparently not bothered. Surely if he had nothing to hide he’d find away to put which puts him clear of such accusations.

 

I’m no Adam Scott fan but at least he’s clearly not anchoring anymore even though this is detrimental to ho

His game.

[sui generis]

The fact that this thread is now on its 9th page and is quite heated with one camp being certain Langer is anchoring and the others just as certain he isn’t. This tells us it is far from clear whether he’s anchoring. My own view is that he is anchoring. Either way clearly Langer must know people are doubting his integrity and is apparently not bothered. Surely if he had nothing to hide he’d find away to put which puts him clear of such accusations.

 

I’m no Adam Scott fan but at least he’s clearly not anchoring anymore even though this is detrimental to ho

His game.

 

Let's see, the USGA and presumably the R&A are satisfied that Langer is playing golf in compliance with Rule 14-1b. The PGA Tour and the Champions Tour also seem to be satisfied that Langer is playing golf in compliance with Rule 14-1b.

 

On the other hand, a few couch potatoes provide us with their alternative facts based solely on the vantage point of their big screen TVs and La-Z-Boys.

 

Gosh, who do we believe? :swoon:

[Shilgy]

The fact that this thread is now on its 9th page and is quite heated with one camp being certain Langer is anchoring and the others just as certain he isn’t. This tells us it is far from clear whether he’s anchoring. My own view is that he is anchoring. Either way clearly Langer must know people are doubting his integrity and is apparently not bothered. Surely if he had nothing to hide he’d find away to put which puts him clear of such accusations.

 

I’m no Adam Scott fan but at least he’s clearly not anchoring anymore even though this is detrimental to ho

His game.

 

Let's see, the USGA and presumably the R&A are satisfied that Langer is playing golf in compliance with Rule 14-1b. The PGA Tour and the Champions Tour also seem to be satisfied that Langer is playing golf in compliance with Rule 14-1b.

 

On the other hand, a few couch potatoes provide us with their alternative facts based solely on the vantage point of their big screen TVs and La-Z-Boys.

 

Gosh, who do we believe? :swoon:

Yep! Could it be that Langer is not bothered by the scrutiny because he KNOWS he is not anchored? Why would or should he change putting styles when he knows he is legal?