2019 Masters Tournament hosted by ANGC (merged)

[cougarthesecond]

HankShank..."But from a TV spectators view I have never heard a comment about 17 or 18 that even remotely compares to the comments about the more epic holes." Stand and look down the fairway from the 18th tee in person and you will hear lots of comments.

[dropkicked]

> @BNGL said:

> > @dropkicked said:

> > > @gatorMD said:

> > > Players of the 1st Master women's Am:

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It's crazy to think how much of a difference was made when IBM, hired it's first female CEO.. I do believe that having to give her the distinguished membership was a catalyst and allowed for other females members to follow... eventually leading to this day.

>

> Crazy until you realize she was the third female member.

>

> I have it on good authority that they were set to admit a women members, and then the Martha Burke thing blew up. Then ANGC backed off, because “you don’t tell us how to run our club, we dictate who can become a member...no one else.”

>

 

I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

[gatorpedsMD]

The US Am and British Am are majors still imo. I think it was done to slight TW. I would say that his 6 USGA championships in a row will be his HARDEST record to break of any of them.

[Hawkeye77]

> @dlygrisse said:

> > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > > @dalehead said:

> > > > > @MilkyButterCuts said:

> > > > > I was watching the 1986 masters episode last night. They keep saying, "this would be jacks 20th major title if he wins today". What are they referring to? Did the players used to count? US Amateur?

> > > >

> > > > Jack always considered the US Amateur a major since his and his Dad's hero was Bobby Jones. The rest of the golfing world at that time accepted it also. That's why MacGregor named a model of Nicklaus irons "Muirfield 20th" after his 1986 Masters win. In more recent times we have talked about "professional majors" like Jack's 18 or Tiger's 14.

> > >

> > > Not just Jack but most everyone did back then. All the golf magazines, writers, and journalists counted the US and British Am's. For whatever reason this fell out of favor about the time Tiger came along, even though he won 3 of them. So if you want to make that argument, Tiger is one closer to Jack than is commonly discussed.

> > >

> > > The US amatuer was a HIGHLY regarded tournament for many years, it was won by several career amateurs, including Jay Sigel, and several others. Money probably changed the game more than anything.

> >

> > This is the fact. The U.S. Amateur was very highly regarded. The shift to professional majors didn't happen until about the time Tiger came on the scene and I don't think it had anything to do with Tiger as such, but IMHO with maybe some lessening of its stature (not saying there should have been), but who knows. Anyway, it stopped being counted after Jack got to 20 and the focus became "professional majors". Wouldn't bother me in the least if it was still counted.

> >

> > Heck, maybe Gary Player had something to do with it, lol, he probably still had plans to win tons more majors after 50.

>

> I think it has to do with the fact that the US AM is now really nothing more than a bunch of college kids getting ready to turn pro and a few older guys that sell insurance that have no chance of winning. It's really no longer a major, you could make a case for it at one time, but I do believe that ship has sailed. I'd even be willing to give Tiger his.......quick, no Googling...who won it last year? Which one of the Molinari bros. won it? Who won the British Am last year?

>

> Times have changed, but players like Bobby Jones, Francis Ouimet, Arnie, Jack should be honored for winning it. Tiger winning 3 in a row was unbelievable. I can promise you that Jack took great pride in his two, as did Tiger for his 3.

>

> I remember the year end recap they used to do every year in Golf Digest, they used to list the all-time major winners, the Am was included, as well as John Ball's British Am's, quick how many did he win?

 

HaHa, outside of a very few pros I know won it without Googling, my mind leaps to Nathaniel Crosby and Jay Sigel for different reasons and after that, I've got nothing.

[Hawkeye77]

> @cardoustie said:

> Bobby Jones winning the slam is still the most incredible year in golf history. No Masters yet. . He couldn't play in the PGA.

> And his 4 wins were the world's 4 biggest golf events at the time. Incredible feat when you also add in his disease was starting up as well

 

 

100%!!!!!

 

Somebody on here years ago used to devalue his accomplishments with all the old strength of field and "nobody played in the British Am or the British Open" - he was a singular talent, and so far as I can cipher beat everybody who showed up against him in the tournaments he won. Special year in a special era, and still leaves me wiggle room for the '86 Masters. ;)

[dlygrisse]

> @Hawkeye77 said:

> > @cardoustie said:

> > Bobby Jones winning the slam is still the most incredible year in golf history. No Masters yet. . He couldn't play in the PGA.

> > And his 4 wins were the world's 4 biggest golf events at the time. Incredible feat when you also add in his disease was starting up as well

>

>

> 100%!!!!!

>

> Somebody on here years ago used to devalue his accomplishments with all the old strength of field and "nobody played in the British Am or the British Open" - he was a singular talent, and so far as I can cipher beat everybody who showed up against him in the tournaments he won. Special year in a special era, and still leaves me wiggle room for the '86 Masters. ;)

 

Pretty sure Walter Hagen, Gene Sarazen and the rest of the usual suspects competed when Bobby won his 4 US Opens and 3 Open Championships. ;)

[gatorpedsMD]

YJS PEAKING!

[North Texas]

> @BNGL said:

> > @dropkicked said:

> > > @gatorMD said:

> > > Players of the 1st Master women's Am:

> > >

> > >

> >

> > It's crazy to think how much of a difference was made when IBM, hired it's first female CEO.. I do believe that having to give her the distinguished membership was a catalyst and allowed for other females members to follow... eventually leading to this day.

>

> Crazy until you realize she was the third female member.

>

> I have it on good authority that they were set to admit a women members, and then the Martha Burke thing blew up. Then ANGC backed off, because “you don’t tell us how to run our club, we dictate who can become a member...no one else.”

>

 

And that's one of the best things about Augusta and the people who run things. You don't tell them how to run their business and they don't bow down to PC crap or pressure from outside. They basically tell anyone who doesn't like what they do to go fly a kite. And I applaud them for that. More power to them.

[Roadking2003]

> @dlygrisse said:

> > @dalehead said:

> > > @MilkyButterCuts said:

> > > I was watching the 1986 masters episode last night. They keep saying, "this would be jacks 20th major title if he wins today". What are they referring to? Did the players used to count? US Amateur?

> >

> > Jack always considered the US Amateur a major since his and his Dad's hero was Bobby Jones. The rest of the golfing world at that time accepted it also. That's why MacGregor named a model of Nicklaus irons "Muirfield 20th" after his 1986 Masters win. In more recent times we have talked about "professional majors" like Jack's 18 or Tiger's 14.

>

> Not just Jack but most everyone did back then. All the golf magazines, writers, and journalists counted the US and British Am's. For whatever reason this fell out of favor about the time Tiger came along, even though he won 3 of them. So if you want to make that argument, Tiger is one closer to Jack than is commonly discussed.

>

> The US amatuer was a HIGHLY regarded tournament for many years, it was won by several career amateurs, including Jay Sigel, and several others. Money probably changed the game more than anything.

My recollection is that it fell off the major list long before Tiger arrived.

[BNGL]

> @dropkicked said:

> > @BNGL said:

> > > @dropkicked said:

> > > > @gatorMD said:

> > > > Players of the 1st Master women's Am:

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > It's crazy to think how much of a difference was made when IBM, hired it's first female CEO.. I do believe that having to give her the distinguished membership was a catalyst and allowed for other females members to follow... eventually leading to this day.

> >

> > Crazy until you realize she was the third female member.

> >

> > I have it on good authority that they were set to admit a women members, and then the Martha Burke thing blew up. Then ANGC backed off, because “you don’t tell us how to run our club, we dictate who can become a member...no one else.”

> >

>

> I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

 

While true, she was the third female member. Condoleeza Rice and Darla Moore were the first two. Bend the knee on this one...I just got finished playing 9 holes with an ANGC member, I asked. Yes I am that petty

 

[dropkicked]

> @BNGL said:

> > @dropkicked said:

> > > @BNGL said:

> > > > @dropkicked said:

> > > > > @gatorMD said:

> > > > > Players of the 1st Master women's Am:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > It's crazy to think how much of a difference was made when IBM, hired it's first female CEO.. I do believe that having to give her the distinguished membership was a catalyst and allowed for other females members to follow... eventually leading to this day.

> > >

> > > Crazy until you realize she was the third female member.

> > >

> > > I have it on good authority that they were set to admit a women members, and then the Martha Burke thing blew up. Then ANGC backed off, because “you don’t tell us how to run our club, we dictate who can become a member...no one else.”

> > >

> >

> > I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

>

> While true, she was the third female member. Condoleeza Rice and Darla Moore were the first two. Bend the knee on this one...I just got finished playing 9 holes with an ANGC member, I asked. Yes I am that petty

>

 

You're more than welcome to find the documented proof online. Lol..

 

[Roadking2003]

> @dlygrisse said:

> I think it has to do with the fact that the US AM is now really nothing more than a bunch of college kids getting ready to turn pro and a few older guys that sell insurance that have no chance of winning. It's really no longer a major, you could make a case for it at one time, but I do believe that ship has sailed. I'd even be willing to give Tiger his.......quick, no Googling...who won it last year? Which one of the Molinari bros. won it? Who won the British Am last year?

 

This is true. It became a college kids tournament 50 years ago.

 

[Roadking2003]

> @gatorMD said:

> The US Am and British Am are majors still imo. I think it was done to slight TW.

Not even close to true.

[Roadking2003]

> @dropkicked said:

> I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as **IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership**. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

 

Do you have any proof of that or just your opinion?

[gatorpedsMD]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @dlygrisse said:

> > I think it has to do with the fact that the US AM is now really nothing more than a bunch of college kids getting ready to turn pro and a few older guys that sell insurance that have no chance of winning. It's really no longer a major, you could make a case for it at one time, but I do believe that ship has sailed. I'd even be willing to give Tiger his.......quick, no Googling...who won it last year? Which one of the Molinari bros. won it? Who won the British Am last year?

>

> This is true. It became a college kids tournament 50 years ago.

>

 

News flash: collegiate male athletes are the majority of the best ams in the world...... Kinda why they are in college on the golf team....

[gatorpedsMD]

lol

[dropkicked]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @dropkicked said:

> > I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as **IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership**. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

>

> Do you have any proof of that or just your opinion?

 

No it's fact. It was big news back then as it was almost unheard of to first, have a female CEO of the largest companies in the US, and to also have the membership handed to her without restriction. She was indeed the first.

[gatorpedsMD]

What do u all think of my new invention for 10 more yards:

https://gfycat.com/pastelethicalleopardseal

[gatorpedsMD]

Just watched this:

Tiger Woods - Return of the Roar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDrUFwvg-rQ&feature=youtu.be

pretty good. Come on TW this is it. U look good and the Masters is yours to take!!!

[dropkicked]

> @gatorMD said:

> What do u all think of my new invention for 10 more yards:

> https://gfycat.com/pastelethicalleopardseal

 

you think thats enough speed?

LMFAO

[BNGL]

> @dropkicked said:

> > @BNGL said:

> > > @dropkicked said:

> > > > @BNGL said:

> > > > > @dropkicked said:

> > > > > > @gatorMD said:

> > > > > > Players of the 1st Master women's Am:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It's crazy to think how much of a difference was made when IBM, hired it's first female CEO.. I do believe that having to give her the distinguished membership was a catalyst and allowed for other females members to follow... eventually leading to this day.

> > > >

> > > > Crazy until you realize she was the third female member.

> > > >

> > > > I have it on good authority that they were set to admit a women members, and then the Martha Burke thing blew up. Then ANGC backed off, because “you don’t tell us how to run our club, we dictate who can become a member...no one else.”

> > > >

> > >

> > > I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

> >

> > While true, she was the third female member. Condoleeza Rice and Darla Moore were the first two. Bend the knee on this one...I just got finished playing 9 holes with an ANGC member, I asked. Yes I am that petty

> >

>

> You're more than welcome to find the documented proof online. Lol..

>

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.golfdigest.com/story/ibm-ceo-ginni-rometty-is-augus/amp

 

While I’m not saying Golf Digest is the epitome of factual reporting, I do think they’re reputable enough to corroborate what I have shared from actual members.

 

Roadking he is correct IBM, Mercedes-Benz, AT&T, along with Delta, UPS, and Rolex (international sponsors) CEOs typically are extended invites not always but traditionally they are and have been. But in this case relating to Ginny Rommety (spelling?) head of IBM she was not the first female member.

[gatorpedsMD]

> @dropkicked said:

> > @gatorMD said:

> > What do u all think of my new invention for 10 more yards:

> > https://gfycat.com/pastelethicalleopardseal

>

> you think thats enough speed?

> LMFAO

 

I think it's USGA conforming for sure.

[gatorpedsMD]

Found this too, History of the Masters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGXi4Hkx220

Decent

[dropkicked]

> @BNGL said:

> > @dropkicked said:

> > > @BNGL said:

> > > > @dropkicked said:

> > > > > @BNGL said:

> > > > > > @dropkicked said:

> > > > > > > @gatorMD said:

> > > > > > > Players of the 1st Master women's Am:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's crazy to think how much of a difference was made when IBM, hired it's first female CEO.. I do believe that having to give her the distinguished membership was a catalyst and allowed for other females members to follow... eventually leading to this day.

> > > > >

> > > > > Crazy until you realize she was the third female member.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have it on good authority that they were set to admit a women members, and then the Martha Burke thing blew up. Then ANGC backed off, because “you don’t tell us how to run our club, we dictate who can become a member...no one else.”

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I recall that she was the very first member, only because her seat as IBM CEO comes with an automatic membership. She was elected CEO in 2010 and took the chair in 2011. Google shows me those women were accepted as members in 2012, so I am guessing that the IBM, CEO was the first.

> > >

> > > While true, she was the third female member. Condoleeza Rice and Darla Moore were the first two. Bend the knee on this one...I just got finished playing 9 holes with an ANGC member, I asked. Yes I am that petty

> > >

> >

> > You're more than welcome to find the documented proof online. Lol..

> >

> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.golfdigest.com/story/ibm-ceo-ginni-rometty-is-augus/amp

>

> While I’m not saying Golf Digest is the epitome of factual reporting, I do think they’re reputable enough to corroborate what I have shared from actual members.

>

> Roadking he is correct IBM, Mercedes-Benz, AT&T, along with Delta, UPS, and Rolex (international sponsors) CEOs typically are extended invites not always but traditionally they are and have been. But in this case relating to Ginny Rommety (spelling?) head of IBM she was not the first female member.

 

Yes, I was waiting for this, as I suspect many of "your" words come with the help of Google.. LoL A few of your posts were direct rips from a golfweek article and your quote from "my ANGC member friend" was actually info readily available from a simple search.. Tricky-Tricky, eh! :) lol

 

Here are a couple articles from 2012 that speak to what I had mentioned. While all "hush-hush".. she was likely indeed the very first and only because she didn't care for golf, was her membership likely not big news.

http://www.espn.com/espn/commentary/story/_/id/7775527/masters-2012-virginia-rometty-become-first-female-member-augusta-national

"Because IBM is one of only three corporate sponsors of the Masters -- along with Exxon Mobil and AT&T -- its past four CEOs (all men, of course) have been offered membership at Augusta, the last bastion of blatant gender discrimination on the major sports landscape.

 

Rometty will finally change all that.

 

Augusta National has no choice."

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/new-female-head-ibm-puts-augusta-national-golf-club-membership-spotlight-masters-approaches-article-1.1053231

**New female head of IBM, Virginia Rometty, puts Augusta National Golf Club's membership in spotlight as Masters approaches **

 

"Augusta National Golf Club loves tradition. Observing this one would be unlike any other.

 

Since the early '80s, the private club has offered its exclusive membership to at least the last four CEOs of IBM. The new boss ain't like the old boss. She's a she, which would make Virginia Rometty the only female member since Bobby Jones and Cliff Roberts chartered the good ol' boy club in 1933."

 

Tell your ANGC friend, aka: google, to get us all a round booked..


 

 

 

[gatorpedsMD]

Lets go Sierra Brooks! Go Gators.

https://twitter.com/sierrabrooks64?lang=en

[Hawkeye77]

Oops, could have guessed pretty easy where that was heading - BNGL kicking his can all over the place! He will rock you! Some bears you just don’t poke.

 

[Darth Putter]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @dlygrisse said:

> > I think it has to do with the fact that the US AM is now really nothing more than a bunch of college kids getting ready to turn pro and a few older guys that sell insurance that have no chance of winning. It's really no longer a major, you could make a case for it at one time, but I do believe that ship has sailed. I'd even be willing to give Tiger his.......quick, no Googling...who won it last year? Which one of the Molinari bros. won it? Who won the British Am last year?

>

> This is true. It became a college kids tournament 50 years ago.

>

 

The last US Amateur Champion that never turned pro was the 1975 winner, Fred Ridley.

 

 

[Darth Putter]

Last year The Masters uploaded the final round broadcast of every tournament since 1968.

A year later, here are the most watched.

 

2001 478,000 times (Tiger Slam)

1997 340K (Tiger's win for the ages)

2005 273K (Tiger's last Masters win to date, his fourth title in 2002 has only 62,000 views, probably because it is out of order from the rest)

2017 207K (Sergio)

2015 179K (Spieth)

1986 143K (Jack)

2014 102K (Bubba #2)

2010 93K (Phil from the pinestraw)

2016 90K (Danny Willett)

2004 86K (Phil's first major)

 

As of this post, 2018's final round has not been added.

 

[jmvargas]

> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @dlygrisse said:

> > > I think it has to do with the fact that the US AM is now really nothing more than a bunch of college kids getting ready to turn pro and a few older guys that sell insurance that have no chance of winning. It's really no longer a major, you could make a case for it at one time, but I do believe that ship has sailed. I'd even be willing to give Tiger his.......quick, no Googling...who won it last year? Which one of the Molinari bros. won it? Who won the British Am last year?

> >

> > This is true. It became a college kids tournament 50 years ago.

> >

>

> The last US Amateur Champion that never turned pro was the 1975 winner, Fred Ridley.

>

>

>

 

..and he is now the chairman of Augusta National!!

 

[Hawkeye77]

And Fred has a new gig on the side!