Etiquette: Leaving the green before all have finished?

[Roadking2003]

> @MountainGoat said:

> Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

 

And the PGA agrees with you.

 

"After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

 

https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

 

[bladehunter]

Agree. Walking away is terribly poor form. If you’re the last guy and everyone is leaving. It’s human nature to feel rushed. Which is why it’s rude. It’s inconsiderate of the last guy/gal.

[Roadking2003]

> @hacker49 said:

> > @MountainGoat said:

> > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> I'm in the same boat as Goat here. I think it is impolite but if you all falling behind I understand. I think if you are playing as a group you should stick together as a group. Especially if they are regulars you play with. Otherwise you are just four onesomes playing the same hole at the same time.

>

 

Exactly. Sacrificing etiquette for speed is not an acceptable trade. Being obsessed with fast play is not better than playing slowly.

[Roadking2003]

> @MooJersey said:

> I do this all the time if there is a group on us. I generally finish out and say I’m heading to the next tee box. I hope the other guys get the message but they generally don’t. They are friends and are slow players so I don’t care about the etiquette lol

 

So, two wrongs make a right?

[Shilgy]

> @matchavez said:

> > @SixtySomePing said:

> > Yeah, that's pertineer a Sabbatini,….

> Whuuut?

>

 

Say it out loud then watch this

 

[sui generis]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @MountainGoat said:

> > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

>

> And the PGA agrees with you.

>

> "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

>

> https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

>

 

They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

 

The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

[jmkenn0]

If your PoP is that bad then I don't think heading to the next tee after you hole out is really going to help the situation. Honestly its less eyes on your ball and depending on where you are playing might actually slow you down if you tee off without everyone watching.

[bladehunter]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @MountainGoat said:

> > > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> >

> > And the PGA agrees with you.

> >

> > "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

> >

> > https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

> >

>

> They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

>

> The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

 

 

So do you advocate starting the next hole before the others arrive?

[QEight]

Why play as a fourball if you are not in a group...

 

Only time I could see this would be if you are lagging behind.

[sui generis]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @MountainGoat said:

> > > > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> > >

> > > And the PGA agrees with you.

> > >

> > > "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

> > >

> > > https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

> > >

> >

> > They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

> >

> > The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

>

>

> So do you advocate starting the next hole before the others arrive?

 

Get to the next tee and be ready to play.

[taporsnap17]

Depends how far behind we are. If we're behind, go to the next tee. If I've parked my push cart on the "wrong" side, I'll usually walk off to move it.

 

In general, it's he second and third that finish that leave. The first to putt out usually tends the flag if the need be.

 

I don't care either way, I usually stand on the edge of green if we're on time. The worse the hole was played, the further away I go in general lol

[taporsnap17]

> @bladehunter said:

> Agree. Walking away is terribly poor form. If you’re the last guy and everyone is leaving. It’s human nature to feel rushed. Which is why it’s rude. It’s inconsiderate of the last guy/gal.

 

Never leave a person on the green alone.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

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[Skaffa77]

Yes...it's poor etiquette, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's "wrong" to do or that it hasn't been done in the past. As bladehunter mentioned, it can leave the last person feeling rushed and it can leave the player with the impression that their time or golf stroke isn't worthy of the group's attention. Think of it this way...it's poor etiquette to scarf down your dinner and leave the table before everyone has finished. Can you do? Sure. Should you do it? Probably not (but likely depends on the audience).

 

I completely understand the need to quicken the groups pace, but no offense, if your group is behind on a busy morning, it's likely NOT due to everyone waiting for the last golfer to hole their putt, but other pace of play factors. If you truly feel the need to leave and walk to the next tee to improve the pace of play, just announce it to the group so it's understood why you feel the need to leave the putting green.

 

 

[Roadking2003]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @MountainGoat said:

> > > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> >

> > And the PGA agrees with you.

> >

> > "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

> >

> > https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

> >

>

> They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

>

> The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

 

Watching others in your group putt out is not "doing nothing". Golf is not a race. If you don't want to watch your golf buddies play, then you should play by yourself.

[bladehunter]

> @"sui generis" said:

> > @bladehunter said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @MountainGoat said:

> > > > > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> > > >

> > > > And the PGA agrees with you.

> > > >

> > > > "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

> > > >

> > > > https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

> > > >

> > >

> > > They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

> > >

> > > The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

> >

> >

> > So do you advocate starting the next hole before the others arrive?

>

> Get to the next tee and be ready to play.

 

So how does that lead to faster play then ? If everyone walks to the next tee together and the guy up walks to the markers and lets it fly. That’s same as him standing there waiting for his partners to show up. Yes ?

[bladehunter]

> @Skaffa77 said:

> Yes...it's poor etiquette, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's "wrong" to do or that it hasn't been done in the past. As bladehunter mentioned, it can leave the last person feeling rushed and it can leave the player with the impression that their time or golf stroke isn't worthy of the group's attention. Think of it this way...it's poor etiquette to scarf down your dinner and leave the table before everyone has finished. Can you do? Sure. Should you do it? Probably not (but likely depends on the audience).

>

> I completely understand the need to quicken the groups pace, but no offense, if your group is behind on a busy morning, it's likely NOT due to everyone waiting for the last golfer to hole their putt, but other pace of play factors. If you truly feel the need to leave and walk to the next tee to improve the pace of play, just announce it to the group so it's understood why you feel the need to leave the putting green.

>

>

 

 

Perfect response. If you’re truly behind everybody pickup and move on. Or stop and waive the next group up. But leaving guys behind on the green just because is reason enough for me to decline playing again. And sure you may say “ fine” to that so the feeling in the end maybe mutual. But it’s kind of perplexing to me why it needs to be that way. What’s the rush ? I don’t play slow. I walk and can out play guys in carts. But. I refuse to feel rushed. In fact. I may slow down when I get paired with someone like that. There’s a happy medium to be had. And running away from the green to go tap your foot on the next tee while someone cleans up a par isn’t that happy pace.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

LOL--- typical hilarity ensues with extremest positions on WRX.... and the OP is long gone because the thread no longer represents reality.

[sui generis]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> LOL--- typical hilarity ensues with extremest positions on WRX.... and the OP is long gone because the thread no longer represents reality.

 

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> LOL--- typical hilarity ensues with extremest positions on WRX.... and the OP is long gone because the thread no longer represents reality.

 

Let's morph it into the gross practice of removing your cap, running your fingers through your greasy, sweaty hair and shaking hands on #18.

 

For sure, playing by the Rules is challenging enough, so why layer on goofy hand-me-down urban legend etiquette?

[bladehunter]

First of all. My hair is luxurious. Never greasy. And second of all. I do not wear hats ( unless it’s raining ).

[NDGolfer13]

Never thought of it as poor etiquette (golfing for 30+years) this year hasn't been kind as my game is a wreck. I've been guilty of walking off when done before others but will rethink this now. Didn't really think about it before.

[matchavez]

> @NDGolfer13 said:

> Never thought of it as poor etiquette (golfing for 30+years) this year hasn't been kind as my game is a wreck. I've been guilty of walking off when done before others but will rethink this now. Didn't really think about it before.

I had never thought of it, and had done it for years. That's why I posted. I was so caught off-guard, as was #2, that it was worth asking here. I'm still not sure what I think, but it's such a grey area that after reading all of these, it's just an "avoid" but not a felony.

 

[Bigsetzee]

> @taporsnap17 said:

> Depends how far behind we are. If we're behind, go to the next tee. If I've parked my push cart on the "wrong" side, I'll usually walk off to move it.

>

> In general, it's he second and third that finish that leave. The first to putt out usually tends the flag if the need be.

>

> I don't care either way, I usually stand on the edge of green if we're on time. The worse the hole was played, the further away I go in general lol

 

This. I did this a couple of times on weekend, a couple of players in our group were awfully slow and after 11-12 holes of having the group behind waiting on us it's a nicer way of saying you need to hurry #$%& up.

[Bigsetzee]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > @MountainGoat said:

> > > > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> > >

> > > And the PGA agrees with you.

> > >

> > > "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

> > >

> > > https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

> > >

> >

> > They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

> >

> > The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

>

> Watching others in your group putt out is not "doing nothing". Golf is not a race. If you don't want to watch your golf buddies play, then you should play by yourself.

 

And when they're not your buddies and have been notoriously slow all day?

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @Bigsetzee said:

> > @taporsnap17 said:

> > Depends how far behind we are. If we're behind, go to the next tee. If I've parked my push cart on the "wrong" side, I'll usually walk off to move it.

> >

> > In general, it's he second and third that finish that leave. The first to putt out usually tends the flag if the need be.

> >

> > I don't care either way, I usually stand on the edge of green if we're on time. The worse the hole was played, the further away I go in general lol

>

> This. I did this a couple of times on weekend, a couple of players in our group were awfully slow and after 11-12 holes of having the group behind waiting on us it's a nicer way of saying you need to hurry #$%& up.

 

Slow how so ? Always last to putt ? Or in general ?

 

Sometimes the guy who’s always last to putt is the one hitting it closest. I think a lot of this sounds like gamesmanship toward a guy playing better .

[Roadking2003]

> @Bigsetzee said:

> > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > @Roadking2003 said:

> > > > > @MountainGoat said:

> > > > > Yes, walking away early is poor etiquette, and I'm guilty of doing it all the time, particularly if we're pressed from behind.

> > > >

> > > > And the PGA agrees with you.

> > > >

> > > > "After everyone has putted out, immediately walk to the next tee"

> > > >

> > > > https://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/instruction-feature/fundamentals/golf-etiquette

> > > >

> > >

> > > They, the PGA, might wish to update their site. _The Rules of Golf, Rule 1.2a Standards of Player Conduct, Conduct Expected of All Players_, make no mention of this.

> > >

> > > The ruling bodies don't seem to care for the old notion of players stand around doing nothing ie, watching one another three putt, when they could be doing something, ie, getting a move on.

> >

> > Watching others in your group putt out is not "doing nothing". Golf is not a race. If you don't want to watch your golf buddies play, then you should play by yourself.

>

> And when they're not your buddies and have been notoriously slow all day?

>

>

 

Same answer. I think there are better ways to speed up play.

[farmer]

To the Road's post, if you walk off with strangers, they're going to think "that guy's an a**, I hate him".

[Bigsetzee]

> @bladehunter said:

> > @Bigsetzee said:

> > > @taporsnap17 said:

> > > Depends how far behind we are. If we're behind, go to the next tee. If I've parked my push cart on the "wrong" side, I'll usually walk off to move it.

> > >

> > > In general, it's he second and third that finish that leave. The first to putt out usually tends the flag if the need be.

> > >

> > > I don't care either way, I usually stand on the edge of green if we're on time. The worse the hole was played, the further away I go in general lol

> >

> > This. I did this a couple of times on weekend, a couple of players in our group were awfully slow and after 11-12 holes of having the group behind waiting on us it's a nicer way of saying you need to hurry #$%& up.

>

> Slow how so ? Always last to putt ? Or in general ?

>

> Sometimes the guy who’s always last to putt is the one hitting it closest. I think a lot of this sounds like gamesmanship toward a guy playing better .

 

No, not at all. I was last to putt on probably half those holes. I hear what you're saying but it was terribly slow (at some stages well over a hole behind) - and when you've said c'mon fellas we need to move along a bit quicker and no adjustment is made it's frustrating. Constant changing of clubs, not even remotely ready to hit their shot throughout the round, marking ball, re-marking ball, checking line, re-marking ball again, just slow players, think they're on the PGA tour.

[dpb5031]

It is generally poor etiquette to walk away while your fellow competitors are still putting, especially in a match or tournament. In fact, in many of the money games I play in it would also be viewed as gamesmanship. I've heard guys call it "the train leaving the station " lol!

 

What's interesting however, is that the game's top junior Tour, the AJGA, requires the first player in the hole to walk to the next tee. The second to last is required to stand-by and tend to the flagstick until the final player finishes. It's part of their pace of play policy. They play mostly as threesomes though...plus they're always walking...with significant distance from green to the next tee on many courses, this helps

 

 

 

[Nessism]

To me the worst display of poor etiquette is slow play. If you guys play at a pace above 3:45 hours for 18 holes on an otherwise open course ahead then normal etiquette rules like hanging back to watch putt-outs go out the window. If you guys have nowhere to go ahead or if your pace of play is 3:45 or faster I'd at least stand off the edge of the green (with my driver in my hand) and wait for the last putt-out, then I'd go straight to the tee and hit.