So really...re: divots...

[bladehunter]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > Interesting scenarios:

> > Joe's scenerio #1

> > Hits 14 fairways, none of the 14 drives come to rest in a divot. He shoots 80 for the round.

> > Joe's scenerio #2

> > Hits 14 fairways, all landing in the exact same location, except this time, one drive ends up in a deep divot. Under Mikey 5 eagle rule, #2 takes his 6" relief and plays on. Neither round of golf by Joe would now have an advantage over the other because of bad fortune (I'm not a believer in luck). Joe's second round would be an 80 as well. The result would be fair play in a gentleman's game where fairness is a priority.

>

> Where have you got the idea that golf is, or should be fair?

>

>

 

Exactly me Bean. There really is no “fair” in this game if thinking of good breaks and bad. Both happen. It’s just the way it is. The only fair that exists is that which you work and make for yourself. I think that’s what I love most about it. My work will net results almost 1to1 ratio at times. But if you don’t do any work. You get nothing. My round yesterday morning. I missed clearing a front trap guarding a front pin twice by no more than a total of 3 feet. Had two absolutely buried in the lip lies. One to a par 3 one to a par 5 on my second shot. I made double bogey on the par 3 and birdie on the par 5. Neither felt fair at the time. But both were my doing for being aggressive and going at those pins. My point is you have to take what is given. If you take a 30 yard into the tree shot that comes back out then you have to take the 1 divot a year you hit out of. And again. Learn to hit that shot. It’s not that hard.

[Mikey5e]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > I would venture to say that if all

> > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> **

>

> You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

>

> BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

 

I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @caniac6 said:

> > @eebomb said:

> > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > @eebomb said:

> > > > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > > > @eebomb said:

> > > > > > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > > > > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> > > > > > Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

> > > > >

> > > > > You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower. All I'm saying is play by the rules. Right now, there is no relief from divots. I understand that people would like relief from divots, but it isn't happening any time soon. This is how golf is played. You have to play your good breaks, and your bad breaks. People complain about getting in a divot, but I never played with a guy that got a good break and complained about it. And, really, how often do you land in a divot? The only place where you get a perfect lie is the tee box. Now, get over here and mow my lawn.

> > > > Cold beer involved?

> > > >

> > >

> > > If you do a good job.

> >

> > Nah you prolly drink Pabst get off my lawn Clint Eastwood grand tarino style

>

> Actually, I don't drink. I thought Blue Ribbon was cool hipster beer these days.

 

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > I would venture to say that if all

> > > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> > **

> >

> > You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

> >

> > BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

>

> I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

 

We all know what a bad fresh divot looks like. What we don't know and won't universally agree is when does that divot stop being a divot.

 

Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap.

[sui generis]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > I would venture to say that if all

> > > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> > **

> >

> > You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

> >

> > BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

>

> I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

 

Is it the ball that caromed off the ice cream truck and ended up in the wrong fairway?

[Sawgrass]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > I would venture to say that if all

> > > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> > **

> >

> > You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

> >

> > BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

>

> I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

 

I bet it was the perfect time to practice your unplayable ball drop.

[bladehunter]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > I would venture to say that if all

> > > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> > **

> >

> > You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

> >

> > BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

>

> I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

 

? Stored on a friends computer ? Was this from 1998 and he has the only floppy drive left in operation?

[nsxguy]

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @nsxguy said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > I would venture to say that if all

> > > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> > **

> >

> > You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

> >

> > BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

>

> I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

 

You're confident it will change my mind ? "Trust Mikey 5 Eagles" ??? LOL You must be kidding (although history suggests you're not). I suggest it will turn out, yet again, you will be wrong.

 

Been there, done that.

 

As Sawgrass mentioned, you're covered - unplayable - 1 shot penalty - but remember to drop from knee height or it'll cost ya anudder one.

[sui generis]

C'mon, Mikey, get your mom to drive you over to your friends house. Your fan club is breathless with anticipation.

[Mr. Bean]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > > @nsxguy said:

> > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > I would venture to say that if all

> > > > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> > > **

> > >

> > > You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

> > >

> > > BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

> >

> > I have a picture of the time my ball ended up in an unrepaired divot, stored on a friends computer. When I retrieve it I will post it in this thread. Be patient, I am confident it will change your mind and you will see the light. I will have it by tomorrow evening when I see my friend. You will be in awe of the photo based on the circumstances that were involved. Trust Mikey 5 Eagles, it is a game-changer!

>

> You're confident it will change my mind ? "Trust Mikey 5 Eagles" ??? LOL You must be kidding (although history suggests you're not). I suggest it will turn out, yet again, you will be wrong.

>

> Been there, done that.

>

> As Sawgrass mentioned, you're covered - unplayable - 1 shot penalty - but remember to drop from knee height or it'll cost ya anudder one.

 

And that would not be fair, would it?

[Lodestone]

I think a rule is fair if it screws everybody the same.

[Colin L]

>

"Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

 

Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

[Mr. Bean]

> @"Colin L" said:

> >

> "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

>

> Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

 

They can use LCP.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @"Colin L" said:

> >

> "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

>

> Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

 

No different than instituting LCP.

[Mr. Bean]

Personally I have never understood this 'act as your own committee' stuff. How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

 

I hope that will stop with the WHS next year.

[nsxguy]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> Personally I have never understood this 'act as your own committee' stuff. How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

>

> I hope that will stop with the WHS next year.

 

It seems to me that on your side of the pond the courses themselves, even the public ones, are much more involved in the players and their rounds and there isn't nearly as many 4-somes (or slightly larger groups) simply playing a casual round together. And in some places (Congu-land) those rounds often wouldn't count towards their handicaps anyway.

 

Here in the States I dare say MOST of the golfers are casual players. I've played at 4 different public golf courses so far this year and none of them has even mentioned the new rules, never mind posting anything about whether LCP or LR E-5 should be in force. They collect greens fees and maintain the course. Other than that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

And those who would like to play by the Rules have to be their own "committee".

[KyGolf]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @"Colin L" said:

> > >

> > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> >

> > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

>

> No different than instituting LCP.

 

If conditions don't warrant LCP, we are back to cheating again.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @KyGolf said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > >

> > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > >

> > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> >

> > No different than instituting LCP.

>

> If conditions don't warrant LCP, we are back to cheating again.

 

I do not think it's cheating so long as the group all agrees to and plays the same. By definition Cheating requires an unfair advantage over others, which if everyone is in on it then it's not an unfair advantage.

[Sawgrass]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

>

>

 

Of course two tournament committees should be able to play two different tournaments on one course on the same day. And each should be allowed to implement their own choice of local rules.

 

Why on earth not?

[Mr. Bean]

> @Sawgrass said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

> >

> >

>

> Of course two tournament committees should be able to play two different tournaments on one course on the same day. And each should be allowed to implement their own choice of local rules.

>

> Why on earth not?

 

For starters, two different committees should not be that far away from each other in evaluating the need of LCP. Otherwise you are of course correct, committees (read: persons) can and do have their own preferences.

[Mr. Bean]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @KyGolf said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > > >

> > > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > > >

> > > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> > >

> > > No different than instituting LCP.

> >

> > If conditions don't warrant LCP, we are back to cheating again.

>

> I do not think it's cheating so long as the group all agrees to and plays the same. By definition Cheating requires an unfair advantage over others, which if everyone is in on it then it's not an unfair advantage.

 

But doesn't the group deciding to use LCP get an unfair advantage over another not using it??

[Sawgrass]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Sawgrass said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > Of course two tournament committees should be able to play two different tournaments on one course on the same day. And each should be allowed to implement their own choice of local rules.

> >

> > Why on earth not?

>

> For starters, two different committees should not be that far away from each other in evaluating the need of LCP. Otherwise you are of course correct, committees (read: persons) can and do have their own preferences.

 

 

 

——

One tournament begins at 8:00 with dry weather and no lcp. Heavy rain comes at 10:00, the first tournament ends at 12:30 and the next begins with a wet course, light rain and lcp appropriately instituted.

 

[Colin L]

> @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > @"Colin L" said:

> > >

> > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> >

> > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

>

> No different than instituting LCP.

 

It is indeed different. A Local Rule allowing preferred lies is authorised by the R&A/USGA. There is no authorised Local Rule permitting relief from divots. That is the basic point I was raising, not the question of a group forming its own Committee. No Committee, however formed, can just invent its own local rules and explicitly cannot create one which waives a Rule of Golf.

 

If USGA handicapping rules currently allow scores to be returned from rounds not played according to the Rules - which I would doubt - the World Handicap System will not.

[Sawgrass]

> @"Colin L" said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > >

> > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > >

> > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> >

> > No different than instituting LCP.

>

> It is indeed different. A Local Rule allowing preferred lies is authorised by the R&A/USGA. There is no authorised Local Rule permitting relief from divots.

 

What gets dicey though is that a committee can declare unmarked areas as GUR on the fly . . .

[Mr. Bean]

> @Sawgrass said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Of course two tournament committees should be able to play two different tournaments on one course on the same day. And each should be allowed to implement their own choice of local rules.

> > >

> > > Why on earth not?

> >

> > For starters, two different committees should not be that far away from each other in evaluating the need of LCP. Otherwise you are of course correct, committees (read: persons) can and do have their own preferences.

>

>

>

> ——

> One tournament begins at 8:00 with dry weather and no lcp. Heavy rain comes at 10:00, the first tournament ends at 12:30 and the next begins with a wet course, light rain and lcp appropriately instituted.

>

 

But Sawgrass, now the conditions are no longer the same...

[Colin L]

> @Sawgrass said:

> > @"Colin L" said:

> > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > > >

> > > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > > >

> > > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> > >

> > > No different than instituting LCP.

> >

> > It is indeed different. A Local Rule allowing preferred lies is authorised by the R&A/USGA. There is no authorised Local Rule permitting relief from divots.

>

> What gets dicey though is that a committee can declare unmarked areas as GUR on the fly . . .

 

It could not, however, create a Local Rule defining all divot holes as GUR.

 

 

[Sawgrass]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Sawgrass said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > > How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Of course two tournament committees should be able to play two different tournaments on one course on the same day. And each should be allowed to implement their own choice of local rules.

> > > >

> > > > Why on earth not?

> > >

> > > For starters, two different committees should not be that far away from each other in evaluating the need of LCP. Otherwise you are of course correct, committees (read: persons) can and do have their own preferences.

> >

> >

> >

> > ——

> > One tournament begins at 8:00 with dry weather and no lcp. Heavy rain comes at 10:00, the first tournament ends at 12:30 and the next begins with a wet course, light rain and lcp appropriately instituted.

> >

>

> But Sawgrass, now the conditions are no longer the same...

 

Correct. But your “same day” irritation was misplaced.

[Sawgrass]

> @"Colin L" said:

> > @Sawgrass said:

> > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> > > >

> > > > No different than instituting LCP.

> > >

> > > It is indeed different. A Local Rule allowing preferred lies is authorised by the R&A/USGA. There is no authorised Local Rule permitting relief from divots.

> >

> > What gets dicey though is that a committee can declare unmarked areas as GUR on the fly . . .

>

> It could not, however, create a Local Rule defining all divot holes as GUR.

>

>

 

 

Agreed.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > Personally I have never understood this 'act as your own committee' stuff. How can it be that two groups play the same course on the same day under the same conditions but under different Rules?

> >

> > I hope that will stop with the WHS next year.

>

> It seems to me that on your side of the pond the courses themselves, even the public ones, are much more involved in the players and their rounds and there isn't nearly as many 4-somes (or slightly larger groups) simply playing a casual round together. And in some places (Congu-land) those rounds often wouldn't count towards their handicaps anyway.

>

> Here in the States I dare say MOST of the golfers are casual players. I've played at 4 different public golf courses so far this year and none of them has even mentioned the new rules, never mind posting anything about whether LCP or LR E-5 should be in force. They collect greens fees and maintain the course. Other than that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

>

> And those who would like to play by the Rules have to be their own "committee".

 

True we do play our golf much more independently here in the US. > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @KyGolf said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> > > >

> > > > No different than instituting LCP.

> > >

> > > If conditions don't warrant LCP, we are back to cheating again.

> >

> > I do not think it's cheating so long as the group all agrees to and plays the same. By definition Cheating requires an unfair advantage over others, which if everyone is in on it then it's not an unfair advantage.

>

> But doesn't the group deciding to use LCP get an unfair advantage over another not using it??

 

Where's the advantage over other guys? Say 4 guys go play Saturday morning and they are only playing against themselves.> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @KyGolf said:

> > > > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > > > >

> > > > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> > > >

> > > > No different than instituting LCP.

> > >

> > > If conditions don't warrant LCP, we are back to cheating again.

> >

> > I do not think it's cheating so long as the group all agrees to and plays the same. By definition Cheating requires an unfair advantage over others, which if everyone is in on it then it's not an unfair advantage.

>

> But doesn't the group deciding to use LCP get an unfair advantage over another not using it??

 

The group isn't playing against anyone else. Most golf in the US is played independently of others outside your group. Example my league of 20 guys only compete against others in our league. The other 2 leagues playing that same night have nothing to do with the other, we don't know them nor know what they shoot and don't care. We are likely playing different formats etc. If one league instituted LCP on a particular evening it has zero impact on anyone else.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

 

 

> @"Colin L" said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > >

> > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > >

> > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> >

> > No different than instituting LCP.

>

> It is indeed different. A Local Rule allowing preferred lies is authorised by the R&A/USGA. There is no authorised Local Rule permitting relief from divots. That is the basic point I was raising, not the question of a group forming its own Committee. No Committee, however formed, can just invent its own local rules and explicitly cannot create one which waives a Rule of Golf.

>

> If USGA handicapping rules currently allow scores to be returned from rounds not played according to the Rules - which I would doubt - the World Handicap System will not.

 

True, but there are ways to properly score a hole that aren't played by the rules of golf or skipped all together.

I agree the world handicap system is a dream by the USGA that has shown itself to be out of touch with the golfing public.

[bladehunter]

> @KyGolf said:

> > @BlackDiamondPar5 said:

> > > @"Colin L" said:

> > > >

> > > "Also as I've said several times--- while not officially in the rules, you and your buddies can act as your own committee and handle divots as you please. So long as done sparingly it will have no adverse impact on your handicap."

> > >

> > > Are you saying that in USGA handicapping a round that is not played by the Rules can be an acceptable score? The Rules do not allow you to "handle divots as you please."

> >

> > No different than instituting LCP.

>

> If conditions don't warrant LCP, we are back to cheating again.

 

Cheating isn’t compulsory