So really...re: divots...

[Vindog]

> @davep043 said:

> After seeing Mr. Kuchar yesterday, is anyone advocating that relief should be allowed from ANY pitchmark in the general area? Or that repair of divot holes and/or pitchmarks should be allowed, whether they improve the player's line of play or not? It seems the logical next step.

 

Well yeah. People are advocating for relief solely for relief's sake.

[sui generis]

Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

[Golfer4Life]

> @"sui generis" said:

> Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

[Sawgrass]

> @Golfer4Life said:

> > @"sui generis" said:

> > Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

>

> Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

 

But even we can strive to excel in challenging situations if people don’t dumb down the rules.

[Golfer4Life]

> @Sawgrass said:

> > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

> >

> > Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

>

> But even we can strive to excel in challenging situations if people don’t dumb down the rules.

 

Indeed! A divot is just that, a challenge.

 

[HatsForBats]

> @Vindog said:

>

>

> > @MooJersey said:

> > I think they should make the fairway a defined special place. Lift, clean and place within 1 foot anywhere in the fairway. Problem solved. :D

>

> Tee it up instead!

 

 

> @Golfer4Life said:

> > @Sawgrass said:

> > > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

> > >

> > > Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

> >

> > But even we can strive to excel in challenging situations if people don’t dumb down the rules.

>

> Indeed! A divot is just that, a challenge.

>

 

A cart path is just a more challenging shot. Why allow relief from there? Let's get back to real manly behavior. No fixing anything on the green, no marking balls on the green, no lift and replace on the green. For sure absolutely no tees allowed even on tee boxes. Absolutely we need to allow zero relief for a ball stopping on a cart path. Man up or drop and take a penalty stroke. Hitting off a cart path is a skill. Allowing relief from a cart path is just dumbing down the rules. Let's get rid of it.

[eebomb]

> @caniac6 said:

> There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

[eebomb]

> @Sawgrass said:

> > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

> >

> > Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

>

> But even we can strive to excel in challenging situations if people don’t dumb down the rules.

 

Why get relief from standing a sprinkler head in the fairway then. Duh just a bad break from a good drive play ball as is same as a divot

[Golfer4Life]

> @HatsForBats said:

> > @Vindog said:

> >

> >

> > > @MooJersey said:

> > > I think they should make the fairway a defined special place. Lift, clean and place within 1 foot anywhere in the fairway. Problem solved. :D

> >

> > Tee it up instead!

>

>

> > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > > Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

> > >

> > > But even we can strive to excel in challenging situations if people don’t dumb down the rules.

> >

> > Indeed! A divot is just that, a challenge.

> >

>

> A cart path is just a more challenging shot. Why allow relief from there? Let's get back to real manly behavior. No fixing anything on the green, no marking balls on the green, no lift and replace on the green. For sure absolutely no tees allowed even on tee boxes. Absolutely we need to allow zero relief for a ball stopping on a cart path. Man up or drop and take a penalty stroke. Hitting off a cart path is a skill. Allowing relief from a cart path is just dumbing down the rules. Let's get rid of it.

 

Really? Now this has to do with manhood? You have some serious issues friend, lol....

[Golfer4Life]

> @eebomb said:

> > @caniac6 said:

> > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

 

Nah! "Mash Potatoes"

[nsxguy]

Why do you guys let Hats and RK egg you on so ? Don't you realize they're enjoying it ? LOL

 

Their specialty,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 


 

[Mr. Bean]

> @HatsForBats said:

> > @Vindog said:

> >

> >

> > > @MooJersey said:

> > > I think they should make the fairway a defined special place. Lift, clean and place within 1 foot anywhere in the fairway. Problem solved. :D

> >

> > Tee it up instead!

>

>

> > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > @Golfer4Life said:

> > > > > @"sui generis" said:

> > > > > Did you see Woods when he found his ball in a divot hole in the middle of the fairway an hour or so ago? Why, I expected him to burst into tears! But wait, he just stepped up and stuck it . . . made birdie, I think.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry to break it to you, but you are not TW, lol....

> > >

> > > But even we can strive to excel in challenging situations if people don’t dumb down the rules.

> >

> > Indeed! A divot is just that, a challenge.

> >

>

> A cart path is just a more challenging shot. Why allow relief from there?

 

No matter what anyone would offer you as an answer to this question you would not comprehend it. So why bother?

[nsxguy]

 

 

 

> @Mikey5e said:

> > @SNIPERBBB said:

> > > @Sawgrass said:

> > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > > @Argonne69 said:

> > > > > > @MooJersey said:

> > > > > > I think if you hit the fairway, you should get a fair lie. Personally after getting the ball where it needs to be, it seems a little penal to have to dig the ball out of a crater.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if you're on the side of a hill, or on a downslope, in the fairway, you should be allowed to moved the ball as far as necessary to get a flat lie?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here we go again with the lame comparisons.

> > >

> > > Aren't you the guy who says, "The Logical individual will see that a divot equals a sprinkler head which equals a rake."

> > >

> > > Have you no shame?

> >

> > You have to remember this quote....from a previous divot thread

> >

> > > Mikey5e wrote:

> >

> > > I am quite smart, but I also think you who are against the idea also have enough aptitude but you're just being stubborn. I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what a divot is, because no matter what I say you would have a problem with it. Although, now that I think about it, maybe you who are against it just don't have the aptitude to understand. That's why they call me Mikey five Eagles because I have great golf aptitude and understanding. Getting five eagles in one season shows I know what I'm talking about. I am done in this particular thread, you kids keep arguing with your foolish comebacks that get nothing accomplished. I'm out of here, talk to you in another thread!

>

> **Well, you have to be quite intelligent to be able to consistently get Eagles, don't you think?**

 


 

 

 

[bladehunter]

> @Roadking2003 said:

> > @Shilgy said:

> > Generally true. But here we are on page 12 and no one in the free relief camp has identified when a divot hole no longer exists.

> You are too hung up on defining a divot.

>

> There is no need to define it. Just move your ball 3 inches. Problem solved. The integrity of the game is preserved as much as it has been recently.

>

> Or, treat it like we do pitch marks on the green. Nobody has to define a pitch mark. You get to repair it regardless of what it looks like. Nobody argues over pitch marks on the green.

 

If you don’t have to define why youre moving it , what you’re saying is simply ball in hand. Which is never going to happen. And rightfully so.

[caniac6]

> @eebomb said:

> > @caniac6 said:

> > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

 

You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower. All I'm saying is play by the rules. Right now, there is no relief from divots. I understand that people would like relief from divots, but it isn't happening any time soon. This is how golf is played. You have to play your good breaks, and your bad breaks. People complain about getting in a divot, but I never played with a guy that got a good break and complained about it. And, really, how often do you land in a divot? The only place where you get a perfect lie is the tee box. Now, get over here and mow my lawn.

[eebomb]

> @caniac6 said:

> > @eebomb said:

> > > @caniac6 said:

> > > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> > Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

>

> You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower. All I'm saying is play by the rules. Right now, there is no relief from divots. I understand that people would like relief from divots, but it isn't happening any time soon. This is how golf is played. You have to play your good breaks, and your bad breaks. People complain about getting in a divot, but I never played with a guy that got a good break and complained about it. And, really, how often do you land in a divot? The only place where you get a perfect lie is the tee box. Now, get over here and mow my lawn.

Cold beer involved?

 

[caniac6]

> @eebomb said:

> > @caniac6 said:

> > > @eebomb said:

> > > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> > > Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

> >

> > You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower. All I'm saying is play by the rules. Right now, there is no relief from divots. I understand that people would like relief from divots, but it isn't happening any time soon. This is how golf is played. You have to play your good breaks, and your bad breaks. People complain about getting in a divot, but I never played with a guy that got a good break and complained about it. And, really, how often do you land in a divot? The only place where you get a perfect lie is the tee box. Now, get over here and mow my lawn.

> Cold beer involved?

>

 

If you do a good job.

[eebomb]

> @caniac6 said:

> > @eebomb said:

> > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > @eebomb said:

> > > > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> > > > Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

> > >

> > > You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower. All I'm saying is play by the rules. Right now, there is no relief from divots. I understand that people would like relief from divots, but it isn't happening any time soon. This is how golf is played. You have to play your good breaks, and your bad breaks. People complain about getting in a divot, but I never played with a guy that got a good break and complained about it. And, really, how often do you land in a divot? The only place where you get a perfect lie is the tee box. Now, get over here and mow my lawn.

> > Cold beer involved?

> >

>

> If you do a good job.

 

Nah you prolly drink Pabst get off my lawn Clint Eastwood grand tarino style

[Mr. Bean]

> @caniac6 said:

> > @eebomb said:

> > > @caniac6 said:

> > > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> > Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

>

> You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower.

 

This reminds me of a joke.

 

Arnie and Billy meet.

- Billy, you know lots of things, please explain to me what is logic !

- Well, let us take an example. Do you have a lawn mower?

- Yes

- That means you also have a lawn, right?

- Yes, how could you tell?

- And if you have a lawn you also have a house.

- Sure! You have been to my house, seen it!

- And if you have a house you probably have a wife, too?

- Sure I do, Martha! You have met her many times!

- And as you have a wife you are not homosexual. That is logic.

- Wow! Thanks, Billy!

 

Arnie leaves and Billy's brother Jamie comes to Billy.

- What did you discuss with Arnie, Billy?

- We were discussing about logic!

- Oh, what is logic?

- Well, let me take an example. Do you have a lawn mower?

- No.

- Well, then logically you are homosexual.

 

 

[caniac6]

> @eebomb said:

> > @caniac6 said:

> > > @eebomb said:

> > > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > > @eebomb said:

> > > > > > @caniac6 said:

> > > > > > There is no relief from divots. If you don't like it, tough. Buy a bowling ball.

> > > > > Yeah and get off this guy's lawn while ure at it

> > > >

> > > > You can come on my lawn all day, especially if you bring a lawn mower. All I'm saying is play by the rules. Right now, there is no relief from divots. I understand that people would like relief from divots, but it isn't happening any time soon. This is how golf is played. You have to play your good breaks, and your bad breaks. People complain about getting in a divot, but I never played with a guy that got a good break and complained about it. And, really, how often do you land in a divot? The only place where you get a perfect lie is the tee box. Now, get over here and mow my lawn.

> > > Cold beer involved?

> > >

> >

> > If you do a good job.

>

> Nah you prolly drink Pabst get off my lawn Clint Eastwood grand tarino style

 

Actually, I don't drink. I thought Blue Ribbon was cool hipster beer these days.

[Mikey5e]

Interesting scenarios:

Joe's scenerio #1

Hits 14 fairways, none of the 14 drives come to rest in a divot. He shoots 80 for the round.

Joe's scenerio #2

Hits 14 fairways, all landing in the exact same location, except this time, one drive ends up in a deep divot. Under Mikey 5 eagle rule, #2 takes his 6" relief and plays on. Neither round of golf by Joe would now have an advantage over the other because of bad fortune (I'm not a believer in luck). Joe's second round would be an 80 as well. The result would be fair play in a gentleman's game where fairness is a priority.

Anybody disagreeing with my rule or theory, I hope you end up in a deep divot each and every round this year.

Bottom line :

When we play golf we play fair, let's make the game fair as well when in the fairway . I know 90% of the people agree with me it's just the other 10% that like to argue.

[sui generis]

What does Lil' Mikey do with his wild tee shot goes out of bounds, then hits a tree and rebounds into a perfect lie in the fairway?

[Mr. Bean]

> @Mikey5e said:

> Interesting scenarios:

> Joe's scenerio #1

> Hits 14 fairways, none of the 14 drives come to rest in a divot. He shoots 80 for the round.

> Joe's scenerio #2

> Hits 14 fairways, all landing in the exact same location, except this time, one drive ends up in a deep divot. Under Mikey 5 eagle rule, #2 takes his 6" relief and plays on. Neither round of golf by Joe would now have an advantage over the other because of bad fortune (I'm not a believer in luck). Joe's second round would be an 80 as well. The result would be fair play in a gentleman's game where fairness is a priority.

 

Where have you got the idea that golf is, or should be fair?

 

 

[rogolf]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > Interesting scenarios:

> > Joe's scenerio #1

> > Hits 14 fairways, none of the 14 drives come to rest in a divot. He shoots 80 for the round.

> > Joe's scenerio #2

> > Hits 14 fairways, all landing in the exact same location, except this time, one drive ends up in a deep divot. Under Mikey 5 eagle rule, #2 takes his 6" relief and plays on. Neither round of golf by Joe would now have an advantage over the other because of bad fortune (I'm not a believer in luck). Joe's second round would be an 80 as well. The result would be fair play in a gentleman's game where fairness is a priority.

>

> Where have you got the idea that golf is, or should be fair?

>

>

 

"Fair" has already been defined as playing by the Rules.

[Shilgy]

> @"sui generis" said:

> What does Lil' Mikey do with his wild tee shot goes out of bounds, then hits a tree and rebounds into a perfect lie in the fairway?

 

Mikey could hit a tee shot ob, carom off the ice cream truck and land in a divot hole in the wrong fairway and want free relief from his unfair break.

[Mr. Bean]

> @rogolf said:

> > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > Interesting scenarios:

> > > Joe's scenerio #1

> > > Hits 14 fairways, none of the 14 drives come to rest in a divot. He shoots 80 for the round.

> > > Joe's scenerio #2

> > > Hits 14 fairways, all landing in the exact same location, except this time, one drive ends up in a deep divot. Under Mikey 5 eagle rule, #2 takes his 6" relief and plays on. Neither round of golf by Joe would now have an advantage over the other because of bad fortune (I'm not a believer in luck). Joe's second round would be an 80 as well. The result would be fair play in a gentleman's game where fairness is a priority.

> >

> > Where have you got the idea that golf is, or should be fair?

> >

> >

>

> "Fair" has already been defined as playing by the Rules.

 

To do things fairly is very different from things being fair, not to mention that there is no definition of 'fair' in the Rules.

[rogolf]

> @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > @rogolf said:

> > > @"Mr. Bean" said:

> > > > @Mikey5e said:

> > > > Interesting scenarios:

> > > > Joe's scenerio #1

> > > > Hits 14 fairways, none of the 14 drives come to rest in a divot. He shoots 80 for the round.

> > > > Joe's scenerio #2

> > > > Hits 14 fairways, all landing in the exact same location, except this time, one drive ends up in a deep divot. Under Mikey 5 eagle rule, #2 takes his 6" relief and plays on. Neither round of golf by Joe would now have an advantage over the other because of bad fortune (I'm not a believer in luck). Joe's second round would be an 80 as well. The result would be fair play in a gentleman's game where fairness is a priority.

> > >

> > > Where have you got the idea that golf is, or should be fair?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > "Fair" has already been defined as playing by the Rules.

>

> To do things fairly is very different from things being fair, not to mention that there is no definition of 'fair' in the Rules.

 

As I said, the Rules outline what is fair in the game.

[Mikey5e]

I would venture to say that if all

golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

[nsxguy]

> @Mikey5e said:

> I would venture to say that if all

> golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

**

 

You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

 

BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

[Mr. Bean]

> @nsxguy said:

> > @Mikey5e said:

> > I would venture to say that if all

> > golfers who play the game had a vote on this particular issue, they would surely like to see a free drop from an unrepaired divot. **It's time to take our game back from the USGA and make it our own.

> **

>

> You are exactly right. We should all play by whatever rules we care to make up. LMAO

>

> BTW, did you, or Hats, or RK, ever define (or even try to define) what a divot is yet ? You know, so we know when to take free relief,,,,,,,,

 

I guess that would be any kind of imperfection they would want to choose... just to make golf fair.