Teryllium T22 Coming August 16

[SlothofDespond]

I guess I just don’t understand what Cameron is doing these days. Why not mass produce them at the suggested retail price point rather than do this limited run? People obviously want them. Alternatively, why not sell them to retailers closer to the obviously higher market rate if this is just a limited run?

[jschwarb]

> @SlothofDespond said:

> I guess I just don’t understand what Cameron is doing these days. Why not mass produce them at the suggested retail price point rather than do this limited run? People obviously want them. Alternatively, why not sell them to retailers closer to the obviously higher market rate if this is just a limited run?

I've never owned a Scotty but it was kinda/sorta on my wish list, I just didn't want something off the rack (or more accurately, under an acrylic case at GG, lol) and a $3,000 Super Rat or some other rarity was never going to be in play for me. This release struck me as a very good middle ground.

[GoGoErky]

> @jschwarb said:

> > @SlothofDespond said:

> > I guess I just don’t understand what Cameron is doing these days. Why not mass produce them at the suggested retail price point rather than do this limited run? People obviously want them. Alternatively, why not sell them to retailers closer to the obviously higher market rate if this is just a limited run?

> I've never owned a Scotty but it was kinda/sorta on my wish list, I just didn't want something off the rack (or more accurately, under an acrylic case at GG, lol) and a $3,000 Super Rat or some other rarity was never going to be in play for me. This release struck me as a very good middle ground.

 

It’s a throwback to the original and not a part of a current line. It’s no different than Nike releasing retro Jordan’s. Give the fans of the brand something to want but not takeaway from the lure of the model.

[Ridgecrest18]

> @thePINGman said:

> > @Scotty1140 said:

> > > @thePINGman said:

> > > > @BYK said:

> > > > > @Golfdoctor said:

> > > > > > @gpleonard said:

> > > > > > The sad part is these went so fast that 6000 putters would have sold out at 3 times that many. I tried that day and was busy all morning and by the time I got a chance to start looking around none were to be had. I called my local PGA SS and they sad the allotment went in mere minutes. Unreal.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was told this was the first wave of putters and more to come. I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I was told.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Anything is possible but I doubt it.

> > > > Scotty has this limited release thing down. Release enough but not enough to drown out demand.

> > > > Heck I’d be up for more released. But I just don’t think he’ll do it. Maybe I’ll be surprised. Ya just never know.

> > >

> > > Agreed. He wouldn’t push limited release only to release the same later. Would hurt future demand for other models. He would of just done 1st of 500 or something similar.

> > >

> > > But in my opinion he has to do something different. He’s loosing too much ground to Odyssey. Obviously feel is subjective but the sound and feel ( synonymous ) of an Odyssey in my view is light years ahead of Cameron, and the numbers on tour confirm this sentiment.

> >

> > What are these tour numbers? What are the stats that back that statement up?

> >

> > I’m genuinely curious. No horse in that race. Fan of both brands.

> >

> >

>

> There are a lot of articles posted on the topic, broken down in various ways. But here is one from March:

>

> https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2019/march/which-putter-has-the-most-wins-on-tour-in-2019-/

 

Here's a spreadsheet of the data from the article you referenced.... Doesn't seem as though Camerons are losing as much market/Tour presence as you suggest.

 

 

 

Edited for Spreadsheet correction

[FatCityChamp]

I’m no mathematician, but the total of that last column doesn’t seem to add up.

[IvanDrago]

should be 18,890,000

[jacincm]

I feel like part of the trend away from Cameron has to do with players gravitating more towards mallet style putters. That’s where Taylormade and Odyssey shine. Those who play blades are almost always going to go with a Scotty. Just my 2 cents as you don’t see too many people playing a Futura vs let’s say a Spider

[thePINGman]

> @Ridgecrest18 said:

> > @thePINGman said:

> > > @Scotty1140 said:

> > > > @thePINGman said:

> > > > > @BYK said:

> > > > > > @Golfdoctor said:

> > > > > > > @gpleonard said:

> > > > > > > The sad part is these went so fast that 6000 putters would have sold out at 3 times that many. I tried that day and was busy all morning and by the time I got a chance to start looking around none were to be had. I called my local PGA SS and they sad the allotment went in mere minutes. Unreal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was told this was the first wave of putters and more to come. I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I was told.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Anything is possible but I doubt it.

> > > > > Scotty has this limited release thing down. Release enough but not enough to drown out demand.

> > > > > Heck I’d be up for more released. But I just don’t think he’ll do it. Maybe I’ll be surprised. Ya just never know.

> > > >

> > > > Agreed. He wouldn’t push limited release only to release the same later. Would hurt future demand for other models. He would of just done 1st of 500 or something similar.

> > > >

> > > > But in my opinion he has to do something different. He’s loosing too much ground to Odyssey. Obviously feel is subjective but the sound and feel ( synonymous ) of an Odyssey in my view is light years ahead of Cameron, and the numbers on tour confirm this sentiment.

> > >

> > > What are these tour numbers? What are the stats that back that statement up?

> > >

> > > I’m genuinely curious. No horse in that race. Fan of both brands.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > There are a lot of articles posted on the topic, broken down in various ways. But here is one from March:

> >

> > https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2019/march/which-putter-has-the-most-wins-on-tour-in-2019-/

>

> Here's a spreadsheet of the data from the article you referenced.... Doesn't seem as though Camerons are losing as much market/Tour presence as you suggest.

>

>

>

>

 

While I appreciate the chart, Im not sure the number of wins, from a particular year, speaks to market/tour preference. What I had in mind was overall use on the tour. But I can’t find any stats on it and I’ve lost the motivation to look.

[Kmac]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @Kmac said:

> > > @gpleonard said:

> > > The sad part is these went so fast that 6000 putters would have sold out at 3 times that many. I tried that day and was busy all morning and by the time I got a chance to start looking around none were to be had. I called my local PGA SS and they said the allotment went in mere minutes. Unreal.

> >

> > So they sold all of the putters they don't have yet? I know my GG hasn't sold any and wont sell them till the 16th.

>

> They sell the allotment they are given. It’s called a pre-order allowing stores to sell before release date.

 

Fully aware of the "pre-order" but in THIS case they shouldn't be doing that because I don't think they actually know what they're getting yet. My GG doesn't and if they do they are not doing "pre-orders" in store. That is something you do online... and in this case they get cancelled.

[GoGoErky]

> @thePINGman said:

> > @Ridgecrest18 said:

> > > @thePINGman said:

> > > > @Scotty1140 said:

> > > > > @thePINGman said:

> > > > > > @BYK said:

> > > > > > > @Golfdoctor said:

> > > > > > > > @gpleonard said:

> > > > > > > > The sad part is these went so fast that 6000 putters would have sold out at 3 times that many. I tried that day and was busy all morning and by the time I got a chance to start looking around none were to be had. I called my local PGA SS and they sad the allotment went in mere minutes. Unreal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was told this was the first wave of putters and more to come. I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I was told.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anything is possible but I doubt it.

> > > > > > Scotty has this limited release thing down. Release enough but not enough to drown out demand.

> > > > > > Heck I’d be up for more released. But I just don’t think he’ll do it. Maybe I’ll be surprised. Ya just never know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Agreed. He wouldn’t push limited release only to release the same later. Would hurt future demand for other models. He would of just done 1st of 500 or something similar.

> > > > >

> > > > > But in my opinion he has to do something different. He’s loosing too much ground to Odyssey. Obviously feel is subjective but the sound and feel ( synonymous ) of an Odyssey in my view is light years ahead of Cameron, and the numbers on tour confirm this sentiment.

> > > >

> > > > What are these tour numbers? What are the stats that back that statement up?

> > > >

> > > > I’m genuinely curious. No horse in that race. Fan of both brands.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > There are a lot of articles posted on the topic, broken down in various ways. But here is one from March:

> > >

> > > https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2019/march/which-putter-has-the-most-wins-on-tour-in-2019-/

> >

> > Here's a spreadsheet of the data from the article you referenced.... Doesn't seem as though Camerons are losing as much market/Tour presence as you suggest.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> While I appreciate the chart, Im not sure the number of wins, from a particular year, speaks to market/tour preference. What I had in mind was overall use on the tour. But I can’t find any stats on it and I’ve lost the motivation to look.

 

Tour use has two aspects. Pay to play and those who use without a contract. Odyssey pays lots of people to use their stuff.

 

Seeing the percentage of non paid players who use gear is what matters imo

[thePINGman]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @thePINGman said:

> > > @Ridgecrest18 said:

> > > > @thePINGman said:

> > > > > @Scotty1140 said:

> > > > > > @thePINGman said:

> > > > > > > @BYK said:

> > > > > > > > @Golfdoctor said:

> > > > > > > > > @gpleonard said:

> > > > > > > > > The sad part is these went so fast that 6000 putters would have sold out at 3 times that many. I tried that day and was busy all morning and by the time I got a chance to start looking around none were to be had. I called my local PGA SS and they sad the allotment went in mere minutes. Unreal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I was told this was the first wave of putters and more to come. I don't know if this is true or not, but this is what I was told.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anything is possible but I doubt it.

> > > > > > > Scotty has this limited release thing down. Release enough but not enough to drown out demand.

> > > > > > > Heck I’d be up for more released. But I just don’t think he’ll do it. Maybe I’ll be surprised. Ya just never know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Agreed. He wouldn’t push limited release only to release the same later. Would hurt future demand for other models. He would of just done 1st of 500 or something similar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But in my opinion he has to do something different. He’s loosing too much ground to Odyssey. Obviously feel is subjective but the sound and feel ( synonymous ) of an Odyssey in my view is light years ahead of Cameron, and the numbers on tour confirm this sentiment.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are these tour numbers? What are the stats that back that statement up?

> > > > >

> > > > > I’m genuinely curious. No horse in that race. Fan of both brands.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > There are a lot of articles posted on the topic, broken down in various ways. But here is one from March:

> > > >

> > > > https://www.todaysgolfer.co.uk/features/equipment-features/2019/march/which-putter-has-the-most-wins-on-tour-in-2019-/

> > >

> > > Here's a spreadsheet of the data from the article you referenced.... Doesn't seem as though Camerons are losing as much market/Tour presence as you suggest.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > While I appreciate the chart, Im not sure the number of wins, from a particular year, speaks to market/tour preference. What I had in mind was overall use on the tour. But I can’t find any stats on it and I’ve lost the motivation to look.

>

> Tour use has two aspects. Pay to play and those who use without a contract. Odyssey pays lots of people to use their stuff.

>

> Seeing the percentage of non paid players who use gear is what matters imo

 

Great point.

[GoGoErky]

> @Kmac said:

> > @GoGoErky said:

> > > @Kmac said:

> > > > @gpleonard said:

> > > > The sad part is these went so fast that 6000 putters would have sold out at 3 times that many. I tried that day and was busy all morning and by the time I got a chance to start looking around none were to be had. I called my local PGA SS and they said the allotment went in mere minutes. Unreal.

> > >

> > > So they sold all of the putters they don't have yet? I know my GG hasn't sold any and wont sell them till the 16th.

> >

> > They sell the allotment they are given. It’s called a pre-order allowing stores to sell before release date.

>

> Fully aware of the "pre-order" but in THIS case they shouldn't be doing that because I don't think they actually know what they're getting yet. My GG doesn't and if they do they are not doing "pre-orders" in store. That is something you do online... and in this case they get cancelled.

 

Sounds like your GG is clueless. The ones I have talked to and from others in here they knew how much they were getting and so did several other shops.

 

Pre-orders are nothing new and even on limited items they happen all the time. Look at the Nike and Jordan shoe threads which GG is usually a participant in

[philly2kuk]

Every pro shop and box store round me (UK) knows how many they are getting and knew from the announcement. The only person that didn’t know was one of my local pros but he wasn’t getting any.

[dupaloop3611]

 

[GC70]

> @dwp10mm said:

> 2nd Swing also has the Newport 2 and Fastback on their site this morning. Marked up $100. https://www.2ndswing.com/titleist-scotty-cameron/golf-putters/

>

 

The $100 mark up is a donation to the 1st Tee.

 

[Speltz14]

Just called Titleist and the guy on the phone told me there were 8000 total T22's being made and that's it, no more will be made.

[GC70]

> @Speltz14 said:

> Just called Titleist and the guy on the phone told me there were 8000 total T22's being made and that's it, no more will be made.

 

Wow! That’s a lot.

[thePINGman]

> @GC70 said:

> > @Speltz14 said:

> > Just called Titleist and the guy on the phone told me there were 8000 total T22's being made and that's it, no more will be made.

>

> Wow! That’s a lot.

 

It’s only 160 per state and that’s if it was only in the US. That’s worldwide

[GC70]

> @thePINGman said:

> > @GC70 said:

> > > @Speltz14 said:

> > > Just called Titleist and the guy on the phone told me there were 8000 total T22's being made and that's it, no more will be made.

> >

> > Wow! That’s a lot.

>

> It’s only 160 per state and that’s if it was only in the US. That’s worldwide

 

Never thought about it that way.

 

[Krt22]

I have some big bucket list rounds coming up very shortly (Spyglass, Pinehurst), really hope they arrive sooner than the 16th for those ordered directly through green grass dealers

[GoGoErky]

> @Krt22 said:

> I have some big bucket list rounds coming up very shortly (Spyglass, Pinehurst), really hope they arrive sooner than the 16th for those ordered directly through green grass dealers

 

My guy said he expects his allotment to be in a day or two before

[Krt22]

Exccceelent Smithers.

[jschwarb]

> @Speltz14 said:

> Just called Titleist and the guy on the phone told me there were 8000 total T22's being made and that's it, no more will be made.

Not doubting your source, but I have seen 6,000 in several spots (including here). An even split of 2,000 per model would make sense, if it's 8,000 total I wonder what that split is. Fewer Fastbacks?

[sandtrap]

The teryllium ten release was 2007 of each model in 2007. Based on how Scotty usually does his special releases I would assume 2019 of each

[KaTooM]

Random off topic observation....looks like Paul Casey is using the tour version of the T22 putter this week at the Wyndham.

 

 

[coreyhr]

I don’t have an inside source or anything, but I too was told by Edwin Watts a couple weeks ago that it was 2,000 per model. The guy seemed like a pretty knowledgeable Cameron guy, knew exactly how many of each model they were getting. I consider that pretty limited.

[Speltz14]

> @coreyhr said:

> I don’t have an inside source or anything, but I too was told by Edwin Watts a couple weeks ago that it was 2,000 per model. The guy seemed like a pretty knowledgeable Cameron guy, knew exactly how many of each model they were getting. I consider that pretty limited.

 

I called Titleist myself and they told me there were 8000, so the number might have been changed due to demand.

[dakotasledder]

got 2 of mine today. Amazing in person.

[GC70]

> @dakotasledder said:

> got 2 of mine today. Amazing in person.

What! Really? How? I’m so jealous!

 

 

[TheInfidel]

> @GC70 said:

> > @thePINGman said:

> > > @GC70 said:

> > > > @Speltz14 said:

> > > > Just called Titleist and the guy on the phone told me there were 8000 total T22's being made and that's it, no more will be made.

> > >

> > > Wow! That’s a lot.

> >

> > It’s only 160 per state and that’s if it was only in the US. That’s worldwide

>

> Never thought about it that way.

>

 

My guy in the UK who I got two from said the UK is getting 500 T22s with a second smaller batch in September.