Mizuno MP-20 - July 2019

[beluga99]

> @lefty1978 said:

> > @CallawayLefty said:

> > Nice! How you liking them?

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> These are a beautiful set of irons. Picked up today, hit them at the range and played a quick 9 holes in 94° heat..where's fall?? Hit beautifully, they are longer than my MP-32s, going to have to dial in my distances. They will go right in the bag. I just ordered the HMB 4 iron as well to complete my MP-20 bag.

 

Curious (as per my post above) I see you have the s300 in your 3 iron and the DG120 in your MP-20s. Do you notice much difference in weight when swinging the club? Why did you not go straight s300 throughout?

[lefty1978]

> @beluga99 said:

> > @lefty1978 said:

> > > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > Nice! How you liking them?

> >

> > These are a beautiful set of irons. Picked up today, hit them at the range and played a quick 9 holes in 94° heat..where's fall?? Hit beautifully, they are longer than my MP-32s, going to have to dial in my distances. They will go right in the bag. I just ordered the HMB 4 iron as well to complete my MP-20 bag.

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> Curious (as per my post above) I see you have the s300 in your 3 iron and the DG120 in your MP-20s. Do you notice much difference in weight when swinging the club? Why did you not go straight s300 throughout?

 

I hit every shaft Mizuno had in their fitting cart, and I know I love the feel of the dg s300. It was not the best performer for me, that was the px lz 6.0, but I just didn't care for the feel of that shaft.

 

The dg 120 felt identical to my old standard s300, but felt slightly easier to swing. The 120 feels marginally lighter, but retains that same dynamic gold s300 feel. I felt the lighter shaft would be beneficial in the long run, I'm 41 and not getting any younger.

[CallawayLefty]

Nice! I went with the 4-Pw and Modus 120. I spent two long demo sessions with that combo and really liked the results. In general I felt like this was the most forgiving blade I have ever hit. I’d personally characterize it as a “fake blade.” To me it’s a little bigger and feels a little more springy than a typical blade. A very strong flight for sure.

 

As to the SELs in particular, I love (at least on paper) how they handled the gapping. 4* gaps all the way down the bag. Hoping it leads to nice consistent distances.

[lefty1978]

> @CallawayLefty said:

> Nice! I went with the 4-Pw and Modus 120. I spent two long demo sessions with that combo and really liked the results. In general I felt like this was the most forgiving blade I have ever hit. I’d personally characterize it as a “fake blade.” To me it’s a little bigger and feels a little more springy than a typical blade. A very strong flight for sure.

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> As to the SELs in particular, I love (at least on paper) how they handled the gapping. 4* gaps all the way down the bag. Hoping it leads to nice consistent distances.

 

I liked the Modus 120 and the KBS $ taper as well, but I was a bit scared to move away from the dynamic golds.

[beluga99]

> @lefty1978 said:

> > @beluga99 said:

> > > @lefty1978 said:

> > > > @CallawayLefty said:

> > > > Nice! How you liking them?

> > >

> > > These are a beautiful set of irons. Picked up today, hit them at the range and played a quick 9 holes in 94° heat..where's fall?? Hit beautifully, they are longer than my MP-32s, going to have to dial in my distances. They will go right in the bag. I just ordered the HMB 4 iron as well to complete my MP-20 bag.

> >

> > Curious (as per my post above) I see you have the s300 in your 3 iron and the DG120 in your MP-20s. Do you notice much difference in weight when swinging the club? Why did you not go straight s300 throughout?

>

> I hit every shaft Mizuno had in their fitting cart, and I know I love the feel of the dg s300. It was not the best performer for me, that was the px lz 6.0, but I just didn't care for the feel of that shaft.

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> The dg 120 felt identical to my old standard s300, but felt slightly easier to swing. The 120 feels marginally lighter, but retains that same dynamic gold s300 feel. I felt the lighter shaft would be beneficial in the long run, I'm 41 and not getting any younger.

 

Thanks for your input. Trying to narrow down to 3 or 4 option before I go and test.

[jrshelby]

The MP 20 blades might be the best feeling clubs I’ve ever hit

[kmbean]

Great to hear. I have a lefty set 7-PW with Steelfiber 110s!

[kmbean]

On the way

[golfjam]

Are they better than MP-5? Bought and played MP-18 and felt like a downgrade.

[golfinguru11]

5 rounds in with 6-pw, I am not sold to be completely honest. Keep in mind this is coming from a good ball striking 3 handicap who has never played blades before. My miss tends to be low on the face and these things just don’t carry with that miss for me. Also been taking huge divots... the low bounce is probably not ideal for a digger who plays on soft, wet Northern California courses.

 

They look and feel incredible when hit solid, perhaps just not for me. T100s look like the obvious next choice. I’ll probably never stop trying to find a blade I can hit though.

[MBBG]

What irons are you coming from? I’m a bit of a digger and coming from Srixons with the V sole was concerned about turf interaction. Played Sunday after 3.25” of rain in 36 hours with 90 degree cart rule so obviously very soft wet conditions and was very pleasantly surprised to not see any issues.

 

I would agree there are probably better choices for a thin miss, I think irons with sole slots are great for that but not gonna find that in a blade that I’m aware of.

 

The Epon Personal 2’s might be something to look into. A very beautiful unique minimalist design with a forgiving sole camber, easy launch, play almost like a CB but with MB feel.

[ThunderBuzzworth]

I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

 

 

[KeithM38]

What did you think of the $Taper? It sucks Mizuno does not have the Modus 130, that's what I have in my MP4s and like them a lot.

[golfinguru11]

> @MBBG said:

> What irons are you coming from? I’m a bit of a digger and coming from Srixons with the V sole was concerned about turf interaction. Played Sunday after 3.25” of rain in 36 hours with 90 degree cart rule so obviously very soft wet conditions and was very pleasantly surprised to not see any issues.

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> I would agree there are probably better choices for a thin miss, I think irons with sole slots are great for that but not gonna find that in a blade that I’m aware of.

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> The Epon Personal 2’s might be something to look into. A very beautiful unique minimalist design with a forgiving sole camber, easy launch, play almost like a CB but with MB feel.

 

miura cb lh. I don’t think they made personals in left handed. Thinking of 302s though, might get the new miura blades as well, the y grind is money.

[lefty1978]

Alright, I've played 27 holes with my new MP-20 SEL set. They are everything I expected from a Mizuno MP set. I don't have any crazy stories from the course, these irons feel incredible. They are about 7 yards longer than my MP-32 set and slightly more forgiving on low strikes. I have 18 more tomorrow starting at 7:28am.

[MBBG]

> @golfinguru11 said:

> > @MBBG said:

> > What irons are you coming from? I’m a bit of a digger and coming from Srixons with the V sole was concerned about turf interaction. Played Sunday after 3.25” of rain in 36 hours with 90 degree cart rule so obviously very soft wet conditions and was very pleasantly surprised to not see any issues.

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> > I would agree there are probably better choices for a thin miss, I think irons with sole slots are great for that but not gonna find that in a blade that I’m aware of.

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> > The Epon Personal 2’s might be something to look into. A very beautiful unique minimalist design with a forgiving sole camber, easy launch, play almost like a CB but with MB feel.

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> miura cb lh. I don’t think they made personals in left handed. Thinking of 302s though, might get the new miura blades as well, the y grind is money.

 

Sorry completely whiffed on the lefty thing.

[MBBG]

[mBiden2]

> @MBBG said:>

[MBBG]

So far so good. Love the shape. Put a lot of spin on the ball. Sound and feel is, of course, very good.

[sethdavidsdad]

> @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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You need to hit the nippon 130x they would be perfect for you. I have the 120x and love them. Second set in my Mizuno’s But I don’t have the speed you have.

[Kevinnz]

I have a set of mint epon af302 for sale if you are interested. Also i came from LH miura blades Y grinds, epon 302 has a very similar sole grind/relief as the Y grind. 302 goes for a full club further than the miura blade with a soft feel.

 

> @golfinguru11 said:

> > @MBBG said:

> > What irons are you coming from? I’m a bit of a digger and coming from Srixons with the V sole was concerned about turf interaction. Played Sunday after 3.25” of rain in 36 hours with 90 degree cart rule so obviously very soft wet conditions and was very pleasantly surprised to not see any issues.

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> > I would agree there are probably better choices for a thin miss, I think irons with sole slots are great for that but not gonna find that in a blade that I’m aware of.

> >

> > The Epon Personal 2’s might be something to look into. A very beautiful unique minimalist design with a forgiving sole camber, easy launch, play almost like a CB but with MB feel.

>

> miura cb lh. I don’t think they made personals in left handed. Thinking of 302s though, might get the new miura blades as well, the y grind is money.

 

 

[QuigleyDU]

> @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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Pretty high spin numbers. With the ball speeds you are showing you should be getting 15 more yard easy.

[golfinguru11]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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> Pretty high spin numbers. With the ball speeds you are showing you should be getting 15 more yard easy.

 

If you’re carrying it that far why is a little extra spin a bad thing? It’s not like he needs the distance.

[GolfManCollin]

Mine are ordered with KBS Tour X and I am sitting by the window waiting on the mail man! I can’t wait!

[QuigleyDU]

> @golfinguru11 said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > > I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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> > Pretty high spin numbers. With the ball speeds you are showing you should be getting 15 more yard easy.

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> If you’re carrying it that far why is a little extra spin a bad thing? It’s not like he needs the distance.

 

Nothing wrong, just seems inefficient. I think most agree that the correct spin number for a 7 iron is right at 7K. He is well above that and reached to 8K with one shaft. I am not saying it is not playable. Just that he could be leaving some gains on the table... He is probably a better golfer than me. They just struck me as high.

[Bunkersarebigcups]

How is the gapping working for you? Did you adjust the lofts to match a little better? Thats the EXACT setup I am planning to get, as I can hit the MB 7iron really well but need a little extra help on the 6 and downwards.> @MBBG said:>

[ThunderBuzzworth]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > > > I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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> > > Pretty high spin numbers. With the ball speeds you are showing you should be getting 15 more yard easy.

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> > If you’re carrying it that far why is a little extra spin a bad thing? It’s not like he needs the distance.

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> Nothing wrong, just seems inefficient. I think most agree that the correct spin number for a 7 iron is right at 7K. He is well above that and reached to 8K with one shaft. I am not saying it is not playable. Just that he could be leaving some gains on the table... He is probably a better golfer than me. They just struck me as high.

 

My main reason for wanting to lower spin is because I am looking for a stronger flight especially on windy days. Hitting it to the moon with a 15-20 mph crosswind or headwind can wreak havoc on controlling the outcome of any shot. I have hit a 7i Callaway Apex Pro Forged with C-Taper 130x and it was flying 206 average with the long going 212 and it was very penetrating so I know I’ll hit it farther (and STRAIGHTER) with the correct setup, finding that setup is the main goal right now. I honestly do not care what the distance is because with my current setup I am about as short as I could be with the irons so I am looking for a flight that I consider to be ideal to my eye. Those #’s posted were 1 day after taking a cast off my foot so my normal 7i SS is closer to 102-104 and spin is usually upper 7’s to 8,000. At any rate I am getting an iron fitting Saturday so we will see what happens.

[QuigleyDU]

> @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > > > > I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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> > > > Pretty high spin numbers. With the ball speeds you are showing you should be getting 15 more yard easy.

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> > > If you’re carrying it that far why is a little extra spin a bad thing? It’s not like he needs the distance.

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> > Nothing wrong, just seems inefficient. I think most agree that the correct spin number for a 7 iron is right at 7K. He is well above that and reached to 8K with one shaft. I am not saying it is not playable. Just that he could be leaving some gains on the table... He is probably a better golfer than me. They just struck me as high.

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> My main reason for wanting to lower spin is because I am looking for a stronger flight especially on windy days. Hitting it to the moon with a 15-20 mph crosswind or headwind can wreak havoc on controlling the outcome of any shot. I have hit a 7i Callaway Apex Pro Forged with C-Taper 130x and it was flying 206 average with the long going 212 and it was very penetrating so I know I’ll hit it farther (and STRAIGHTER) with the correct setup, finding that setup is the main goal right now. I honestly do not care what the distance is because with my current setup I am about as short as I could be with the irons so I am looking for a flight that I consider to be ideal to my eye. Those #’s posted were 1 day after taking a cast off my foot so my normal 7i SS is closer to 102-104 and spin is usually upper 7’s to 8,000. At any rate I am getting an iron fitting Saturday so we will see what happens.

 

Cool, please post the numbers. I would love to see if anything has changed.

[MackDaddy480]

Has anyone hit both the Mizuno MP 20's and 919 Tour's on a lunch monitor? If so, what differences did you see in numbers/dispersion?

[golfinguru11]

> @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > @golfinguru11 said:

> > > > @QuigleyDU said:

> > > > > @ThunderBuzzworth said:

> > > > > I went and demoed the lefty 7 iron with 6 different shafts and they all seemed the same to me besides feel.. every shot was hit with a ProV1x on GC2 or whatever that system is called. Many would look at the data and pick the Nippon but that shaft was producing a pull while I normally hit a high fade. Nippon felt overly kicky in the 120x so I’d like to try the tx. DG felt like garbage to me and I found they were the toughest to hit solid for whatever reason. At any rate I was surprised 6 different shafts produced nearly identical numbers on average of 5-6 decent shots with each

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> > > > Pretty high spin numbers. With the ball speeds you are showing you should be getting 15 more yard easy.

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> > > If you’re carrying it that far why is a little extra spin a bad thing? It’s not like he needs the distance.

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> > Nothing wrong, just seems inefficient. I think most agree that the correct spin number for a 7 iron is right at 7K. He is well above that and reached to 8K with one shaft. I am not saying it is not playable. Just that he could be leaving some gains on the table... He is probably a better golfer than me. They just struck me as high.

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> My main reason for wanting to lower spin is because I am looking for a stronger flight especially on windy days. Hitting it to the moon with a 15-20 mph crosswind or headwind can wreak havoc on controlling the outcome of any shot. I have hit a 7i Callaway Apex Pro Forged with C-Taper 130x and it was flying 206 average with the long going 212 and it was very penetrating so I know I’ll hit it farther (and STRAIGHTER) with the correct setup, finding that setup is the main goal right now. I honestly do not care what the distance is because with my current setup I am about as short as I could be with the irons so I am looking for a flight that I consider to be ideal to my eye. Those #’s posted were 1 day after taking a cast off my foot so my normal 7i SS is closer to 102-104 and spin is usually upper 7’s to 8,000. At any rate I am getting an iron fitting Saturday so we will see what happens.

 

This makes more sense now. Controlling flight windows is definitely a more lofty (no pun intended) goal than just hitting arbitrary spin targets on a launch monitor. I’d expect nothing less though, you are a +3 playin in the mid am. we are just plebs.