New Level Appreciation Thread

[conorgolf22]

i felt like the size of the club head was pretty similar. I really like the feel of the New Levels more. I know that sounds crazy when compared to a Mizuno, but I don’t think I had the right set up in the Mizunos.

 

Id suggest demoing both, if possible, and possibly going with the 1126 in the long irons and the 902 in the short irons.

 

I hope this helps and feel free to PM me with any questions.

 

Conor

[Lbu1fan]

I have been playing the 610s for 18 months and they are a great iron. They are very consistent and forgiving. They discontinued these for the 1126s I believe. I didnt like the 902s, they were to large for me and the offset was to much. These irons replaced my 790s since I was getting fliers with them. Eric was great, I got it discounted as an influencer program and I even paired him with a friend of mine who has temp status on the Korn Ferry. He is a great guy to work with who is proud of his brand. I am experimenting with a cobra CB/MB set with Accra 124 shafts but the NL will be in the bag for now. I an 11 handicap currently

[CasualLie]

Wow...wish I didn't see this thread! Forged CBs or MBs which are now going for $700. And you say they have a good feel?! Seeing a review where they are put on par with Miura is really saying something. And I am not talking about hands of god blah blah blah touching clubs, that's fine, I get it, Miura is great. Once upon a time I thought Miura was the best, but you cannot convince their forgings were NOT softer 10+ years ago. I don't like that "click" you get with some of the forged clubs out there.

And as mentioned, yes, it does bring me back to the MR-23 days, or even before that the Hiro Matsumoto.

 

[GWfool]

I went into the 902s from Srixon z745s and I would say the feel is equal if not better in the 902s I was really shocked. I thought they'd be comparable but they blew me away once I tried them.

[mws82]

I’ve played 902 since they came out. They knocked the Bridgestone j15 cb out of my bag. I did do a demo and a proper fitting before purchasing. I also played the m wedges in 50 54 and 58. I wanted some pretty precise specs and Eric delivered them right on the money. Top notch stuff at fair pricing and imo his forgings feel as good as anyone’s.

[teedub21]

Anyone try the lefty 1102’s? I’m eyeing them but a little disappointed they don’t have the beautiful milling some of the other models have. Plus what’s up with the big discounts right now?

[akseem]

I've had the 1102's for a couple months now. I was also disappointed they didn't look as good as the others but thats just part of the blight of being a lefty. They still look good though in a simple design sort of way and they are a bit larger cavity back heads, similar to the apex cf not the pro. They don't feel quite as soft for me as the apex pros or some of the other smaller cb's but they still feel great. I would say they are every bit as good as the other manufacturers and way less money right now if you buy from their online store.

[teedub21]

That’s a bit disappointing to hear you don’t think they feel better than a Callaway CF iron. Seems a true forged club should feel better then a hollow goo filled “forged” club.

[WristySwing]

The Apex is neither hollow nor goo filled. It solely has a cup face, like an I500, HMB, or 585.

[teedub21]

I had the non Pro CF19’s and they have the “microspheres” as do the Pro’s making them a hollow head design with goo inside. Great irons, don’t get me wrong, but not a forged from one piece design.

[WristySwing]

Well, colour me an idiot. I'm 0/2 today. Thanks for setting me straight. I didn't know that.

[akseem]

I think they do feel better then the cf's just not as soft as the pro's, sorry if I said that in a confusing way. For me the pro 19's felt every bit as soft as the mizuno mp20 and the 1102 have a good solid feel not quite as soft but it stills feels good to pure one.

[jt2gt]

I thought the 610 was the larger/more offset head...did you reverse the numbers. Just double checking for my own sake. Thanks, JT

[Philomathesq]

Short update: While I was initially disappointed with the size of the soles on the 623’s, they feel amazing to hit and turf interaction is excellent. I’ve only had two range sessions and two rounds since last Friday, but I’m very happy with my purchase. I’ll have a more detailed review in a few days when I get more time, and I’ll include pictures comparing the 623’s, 902’s, and my current gamer Apex MB’s.

[jonsnow]

That photo of the back of the clubhead looks a LOT like my J40 DPCs, but the other photos seem to show a ticker topline & a bit more offset. To those of you who have seen them in person, does that sound accurate?

[Philomathesq]

@jonsnow, if you are referring to the 902, then yes, you are correct on both counts. The topline on the 902 is ever-so-slightly larger. The offset difference is more noticeable in the long irons.

[jonsnow]

Thanks, Philo. Yes I was referring to the 902s.

[jimmy_dlo]

 

I play the M-type wedges, 902 irons from 6-PW, and 4995 HB utilities from 4-5i. They are fantastic feeling clubs that are workable and very forgiving for their design. Eric is also amazing to work with—he answered all my questions and sent demos while I had the clubs built at Club Champion.

As someone who is always looking for something away from the big OEMs, these clubs are every bit as worthy of your consideration.

[Philomathesq]

I'll be doing a review later of the 4995 HB, but one question I have for you is: how have you found gapping with them? I ordered a 21 degree to act as a 3-iron and get some more height, and I hit it off the planet. I typically hit my 3-iron (20.5*) around 210, but I was hitting the 21* 4995 HB around 230. It is an excellent feeling club, but I couldn't find a place for it in my bag due to the gapping issues.

[jimmy_dlo]

I worked with my fitter specifically on this. I swing my driver only at around 100 MPH, so my gapping on that end of the bag is tighter in general. I'm happy to get 15 yards gapping out of them, between my 6I and 3H. I play the 27* and 24* about 1* strong. Maybe consider getting the 24* and bending it strong?

Chatting with Eric, the 4995 HB gave me more launch and ball-speed across the face compared to the 902 at the given loft. They are super bendable. You might want to consider talking to your fitter if you have one about options (lofts? shafts?).

Good luck and hope you find a solution!

[Philomathesq]

I do all my own club work and general fitting. I had thought about getting a 24* and bending it stronger, but based on my swing, I really don't want to decrease the bounce on the clubs, which is what would happen if I were to make them stronger. The 4995's absolutely get the ball up and the air at much quicker speeds than a standard iron. I have been thinking about getting an 18* and experimenting using it as a 3W replacement, but I'm not sure if I'm that brave.

[Lbu1fan]

Don't think I switched the numbers. 902s felt like shovels to me

[mtex22]

I have never seen the 610 but they seem to be the largest based on this article from M-G-S. The 610 has the longest blade length in the series and, all things being equal, is the most forgiving. The tri-tiered cavity provides plenty of meat low/rear in the head, which makes this the easiest of the three models to launch and with a 44° PW, it’s a 9 ½ iron in pitching-wedge clothing.

While the math doesn’t add up, the 1031 sits between the 902 and 610. It features a wider sole than 902 and more mass toward the sole of the club, but the footprint is smaller than the 610. Lofts are on the 1031 are also stronger (44° PW) matching the 610.

I didn’t see a tremendous performance difference between the 610 and 1031, likely as both are one-piece forged game-improvement irons, though each has some competing features. The 1031 has a more compact overall shape, but both the sole and topline are thicker than those on the 610, which has the longer blade length.

 

Here is the full article: New Level Golf Aims to Take-On the Boutique Brands | MyGolfSpy

[mtex22]

I literally just got mine will be doing a review. The 902's are more compact, less offset smaller sole than my Bridgestone J15cb. I would say they are closer to the Srixon Z745 in size or an Apex CF19 with no offset. This is the first set visually looks perfect to me not too big or not too small. Well done Eric and New Level!!

 

Here is the 4 iron which I really do not see any offset

[mtex22]

All the offset specs here

http://www.golfwrx.com/526416/introducing-an-all-new-golf-equipment-company-new-level-golf/

[Philomathesq]

Not to pile on here, but I don't think there is a world that exists where 902's are considered shovels. I'll post pictures later this week comparing the 902's and Apex MB's. I'm not going to lie and say the 902's are the same size as my Apex MB's, but they are nowhere near shovels.

[Lbu1fan]

That is my opinion. I am a supporter of NL and have been for a long time. Not sure why comparison photos need posted. Go hit them if you have questions. Eric will send you one to try

[Philomathesq]

I own 902's, 623's, M-type wedges, and a 4995, so I don't need Eric to send me anything. But, unless your idea of a big blade is the Miura Baby Blades, I just can't comprehend how you can refer to the 902's as shovels, especially while also claiming you love the 610's. The 610's are larger, longer, and have much more offset than the 902's... All things you claim are problematic with the 902.

[jt2gt]

Thinking the 902s are shovels is one thing...you can have your opinion for sure. But everything I have read says the 610 are even longer and have more offset than the 902s...really more factual than opinion. Maybe the 610 topline looks thinner, because of the longer blade length.

[Philomathesq]

I don't have a set of 610's to photo right now, but here is a photo that does a good job of showing the size difference between the 902 and 610.

Also, the 610 offset goes from 6.5mm in the 4-iron to 3.0mm in the PW, while the 902's go from 3.2mm in the 4-iron to 2.8mm in the PW. In fact, the 610 PW is the only club that has less offset than than any of the 902's. The 610 9-iron has more offset than the 902 4-iron.